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Emirates Wants To Come To YYC  
User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Saw a clip on the evening news today about EK starting flights into Toronto next month.

They were interviewing someone from EK (forget who he was, some management/marketing guy probably) and he was saying that EK is eyeing the YYC oil market, and that they would like to enter YYC if the Canada - UAE bilateral was changed to allow them more flights to Canada.

Anyone know the chances of a new Canada-UAE bilateral? I'm assuming not very good (to protect AC) but really have no idea.

This would open up a whole new gateway, namely trips to the Maldives! haha

[Edited 2007-09-25 06:13:55]

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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

The government has told EK to use the frequencies it has and then apply for more once it proves the demand. That is only now happening. Through back channels, the government has also given the UAE a number of reciprocal proposals it would expect as part of a very liberal agreement. Sometime in the next 12-24 months, there should be a deal but the lineup for deals is long and the bureaucrats can only negotiate so many agreements at one time.

[Edited 2007-09-25 06:21:19]

User currently offlineScrumpy492003 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Now seeing Emirates here in CYYC would be a nice treat!

Peter



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5318 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

As long as EK didn't use the 777's with the crap 10 across seating, it would be a great option for we who work in the middle east...


What the...?
User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 1):
Through back channels, the government has also given the UAE a number of reciprocal proposals it would expect as part of a very liberal agreement.

Thanks Sebring, what are your thoughts regarding AC if that would happen. AC doesn't have a very strong Middle East network but I'm sure it would pull people off of the LHR and FRA flights.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

IF EK want in they WILL find a way. Remember Last year at this time there seemed little chance of EKK in YYZ, now they already have a sign up on the highway directing drivers to Terminal 1.

As for 10-across seating, I doubt they would do that on a YYC run. More than likely they would switch to a less dense configuration.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 1):
then apply for more once it proves the demand

Why would the goverment have a say in that?

Quoting YOWza (Reply 5):
IF EK want in they WILL find a way. Remember Last year at this time there seemed little chance of EKK in YYZ, now they already have a sign up on the highway directing drivers to Terminal 1.

Does that mean that they now have the goverment's approval?



The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 6):

Why would the goverment have a say in that?

Because governments negotiate bilateral aviation agreements.

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 6):
Does that mean that they now have the goverment's approval?

They always had approval for three frequencies (actually, they could have had six per week, but Etihad took three of six available frequencies under the Canada-UAE bilateral). For many years EK demanded daily service up front and the Canadian government said fly three frequencies first, then we'll talk. Finally, EK has decided to do that. It launches next month with three frequencies.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 5):
As for 10-across seating, I doubt they would do that on a YYC run. More than likely they would switch to a less dense configuration.

I highly doubt they would do that for one isolated route in their worldwide network. Much of the oil-related traffic would be in the premium cabins anyway, not in the back of the bus. Most Y class traffic would be low-yield connecting passengers destined to India and other markets beyond DXB, like most of their traffic on all routes, where low fares are the main attraction. It's EK's ability to cram them in 10-abreast on 777s that often permits them to offer the lowest fares in many longhaul 6th freedom markets.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
I highly doubt they would do that for one isolated route in their worldwide network.

My mistake. I assumed that since EK had two configurations (2 and 3 class) for their 773-ULRs that one of those configurations would be along the line of the 345 serving JFK, namely 8 across in Y.

While 10 across is no picnic I have flown EK in Y many, many times and it has not been that bad. Of course none of my trips to date have been the stage length of YYZ-DXB...

All things considered EK in Y direct is better than many of the other options. You mentioned the South Asia market. Well consider this:

YYZ-Europe-DXB-South Asia
- Hassle of transfer in Europe for non-Canadians/Europeans
- Congestion at Euro-hub airports leading to greater chance of delays and missed flights etc
- More stops = more chances to lose luggage
- Less daunting for UMs and elderly. You would be surprised at how many of these I see traveling this route alone.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

When talking about the service starting to YYZ, the head of Emirates said they wanted to go to daily immediately. Advance booking must be good. They have been wanting daily for a long time but you are right they were holding off starting any flights. I think Etihad coming into YYZ first caused them to change their mind.

User currently offlineDavidYYC From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

It would be a treat to see EK here, I somehow doubt it but would be pleasantly surprised. The 10 abreast is not so bad having done it from LGW to JNB via DXB. The aircraft are truly beautiful, amazing entertainment, excellant service and food, makes up for rubbing shoulders with someone next to me. Legroom is not too bad. Despite the slightly more cramped arrangements the whole experience knocks spots off AC and their grumpy cabin staff, and ancient 767s and aging A330.

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