CitrusCritter From Palau, joined May 2007, 1072 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
Quoting TPAnx (Reply 3): ..I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two.
Huh? They're not advertising it as Tampa or Sarasota on the website. And PGD is just 30 miles from downtown Fort Myers. It's 60 miles to Sarasota. You seem to indicate that it might work better as TPA, when it is in fact significantly further from Tampa or St. Petersburg than from Fort Myers or Sarasota. I think you might want to reexamine your Florida map.
You said "I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two."
That sentence asserts that while PGD is not a good alternative to TPA, SRQ, or RSW, it is slightly better for TPA. You assert that "especially the latter two" are not as viable. How is that, when PGD is closest to RSW? How could it be more viable for TPA than for RSW?
Then to simply rebut your assertion about viability. PGD is a pretty good choice for an RSW alternative. It's 30 miles to the north of Fort Myers, 25 miles from Cape Coral, and closer to Venice than RSW.
TPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 6): That sentence asserts that while PGD is not a good alternative to TPA, SRQ, or RSW, it is slightly better for TPA.
You're right..my mind is in "vacation " mode. T'would take a lot to get TPA pax to drive that far south..to an airport most remember, if they've seen it at all...as a resting place for FEMA trailers.
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8): Will LAL at some point be an SX destination?
Polk county is growing..and IIRC, some posters have made mention of Lakeland having had airline service in the past.
I-4 is getting better..(Monday's many hours closure of the eastbound lanes because of a gasoline tanker accident
notwithstanding) so I'd guess TPA and Orlando would continue to be the airports of choice for most in the area.
How about PIE for SX??
I tend to agree with you here. It's more conventional LCC thinking to look at PIE and SFB for TPA and MCO respectively. But this is SX, which is why I think LAL is more likely. Why have the cost of two stations when you can run one? And LAL is the same distance from Disney as SFB -- though traffic is less predictable.
Indeed. Assuming, of course, that LAL either has sufficient infrastucture or would be willing to invest in it.
More flights = more volume = more negotiating ability = better deal = lower costs = able to offer lower fares = more people book and fly (so generate even more ancillary revenue) = even more volume = even more negociating ability... and on.
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CitrusCritter From Palau, joined May 2007, 1072 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2486 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11): LAL either has sufficient infrastucture or would be willing to invest in it.
I'm not sure precisely what they have down there. I'm going over to Tampa in October, so I might try to drive by and see precisely. I want to say that the terminal is small and old. But as we have seen with SGJ, these medium sized Florida towns that want air service will put up the money for a makeshift terminal. And if SX flourishes, I expect we'll see these airports build a more permanent terminal.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6373 posts, RR: 34 Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter): Skybus Announced and started selling tickets from Portsmouth to St. Augustine/Jacksonville/ Daytona Beach (SGJ) and Punta Gorda/ Ft Myers/ Sarasota (PGD) today.
flights will start on December 17, 2007.
Florida routes from New England in the winter & early spring are a no-brainer, but they are VERY tough to fill at sustainable fares during most of January and the first half of February (not to mention the summer).
BlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1946 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): I'm shocked that FLL isn't getting PSM flights. Then again, FLL isn't going to bend over backwards and bow down to Skybus like PGD and SGJ do.
I bet the lack of Gate space, and the higher operating costs are somethings that are keeping Skybus from flying PSM and FLL. Plus there's a possibility that the aircraft being used between PSM and SGJ are heavily utilised that flying the extra distance (albeit like an extra 45 minutes a day)...would through off the entire scheduling for that particular aircraft.
I could see FLL getting additional Skybus Service in the future though...
I know we've been through this before. Maybe. But I think SX is going to control costs by using LAL as both TPA and MCO. MLB would still require a TPA station at PIE. They might as well use SFB in that case. Though admittedly, I think Brevard County is underserved. But I don't think SX going in will help that a whole lot. I'd put my money on LAL. They want air service back in Polk County, and I'm sure they'll put up some sort of deal to ensure they get it.
Quagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 20): I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.
Well, a big problem is that Hertz currently is also closed on Sundays at that location.
Itsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
Looks like GSO"rumors" are picking up steam
GREENSBORO, N.C. -- Skybus Airlines wants to add a base of operations beyond its Port Columbus home, and officials representing Greensboro's Piedmont Triad Airport made their best sales pitch yesterday.
Their efforts were backed by $300,000 in marketing money from government and development agencies that have gained a business-friendly reputation.
Although Skybus spokesman Bob Tenenbaum says there is no hard deadline, the Columbus-based startup airline is expected to decide within weeks which airport will become its next base or "focus city." That differs from a traditional hub because Skybus offers only point-to-point flights rather than connecting ones.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21041 posts, RR: 60 Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1790 times:
Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 20): I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that Skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.
With only one company, expect prices to be higher. So to use my favorite expression of the last 24 hours, flyers are robbing peter to pay paul. Cheaper airfares but more expensive rental cars?
As someone who flies into SRQ regularly, I noticed the last couple christmas seasons that rental rates were 2-3x the normal price (still available at TPA) due to lack of supply. And SRQ has most companies on airport.
I know people tell stories about how Ryanair puts you into smaller airports in the EU, and then once you factor in the bus/train fare to get where you thought you were going, it ends up costing about the same as another carrier. I wonder if this is also true for some of the Skybus airports.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 Gregarious119: I do find it intriguing amongst all these discussions about GSO becoming a focus city that PSM is the first site to get non-CMH based flights. I think
26 DeltaRules: There's a large tent which is being used as the terminal there. It has enough room for a ticket counter, security checkpoint & seating areas. "Baggag
27 ChrisNH: Although there are exceptions, I don't think it makes sense to have a focus city in a place that's on the fringe of the route map like PSM is. Somethi
28 Delta767: Very interesting that these rumors are starting to finally take shape. But this certainly differs wildly to the random claims on anet that GSO was one
29 RSWA330: Glad to see PGD getting two destinations from Skybus. I would like to add that PGD is meant to seve the Ft. Myers market (hence the reason their route