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Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD  
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Skybus Announced and started selling tickets from Portsmouth to St. Augustine/Jacksonville/ Daytona Beach (SGJ) and Punta Gorda/ Ft Myers/ Sarasota (PGD) today.

flights will start on December 17, 2007.

Plenty of $10 available.

more info at http://www.skybus.com

[Edited 2007-09-25 12:50:30]

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Darn, I predicted and worked schedules out for PSM to SGJ and FLL! Pretty close... (This certainly takes care of that 7th a/c's "dead time" at SGJ, just as figured by several here on A.net.)

I must say I'm glad to see at least one other city besides CMH receiving some much-needed winter service!

bb


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

I'm expecting only 3 or 4 more Routes out of CMH, and with these new flights...could PSM be the next focus city?

I Also hope they start up more flights on the west coast, I think they could do quite well there.


User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

While I wish Skybus the best...I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two. Hope their projections work out...
TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 3):
..I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two.

Huh? They're not advertising it as Tampa or Sarasota on the website. And PGD is just 30 miles from downtown Fort Myers. It's 60 miles to Sarasota. You seem to indicate that it might work better as TPA, when it is in fact significantly further from Tampa or St. Petersburg than from Fort Myers or Sarasota. I think you might want to reexamine your Florida map.  Smile



TLH
User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 4):
alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two.

Like I said...
TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 5):

You said "I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two."

That sentence asserts that while PGD is not a good alternative to TPA, SRQ, or RSW, it is slightly better for TPA. You assert that "especially the latter two" are not as viable. How is that, when PGD is closest to RSW? How could it be more viable for TPA than for RSW?

Then to simply rebut your assertion about viability. PGD is a pretty good choice for an RSW alternative. It's 30 miles to the north of Fort Myers, 25 miles from Cape Coral, and closer to Venice than RSW.

[Edited 2007-09-25 15:41:04]


TLH
User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 4):
Huh? They're not advertising it as Tampa or Sarasota on the website



Quoting TPAnx (Reply 5):
Like I said...

I think you're both right, it can be an alternative for some people, but it is not marketed as such.

I flew out of CMH yesterday (on US) and stopped by the SX gate area before my flight. they were boarding the flight to St. Augustine and the sign at the gate siad exactly that.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Of course PGD is a good alternative to RSW - if it is properly promoted and marketed together with value (but not necessarily cheap) fares.

Will LAL at some point be an SX destination? It is of course located in-between Tampa and Orlando, at about 60mi from Orlando and 32mi from Tampa.

[Edited 2007-09-25 15:57:33]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 6):
That sentence asserts that while PGD is not a good alternative to TPA, SRQ, or RSW, it is slightly better for TPA.

You're right..my mind is in "vacation " mode. T'would take a lot to get TPA pax to drive that far south..to an airport most remember, if they've seen it at all...as a resting place for FEMA trailers.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Will LAL at some point be an SX destination?

Polk county is growing..and IIRC, some posters have made mention of Lakeland having had airline service in the past.
I-4 is getting better..(Monday's many hours closure of the eastbound lanes because of a gasoline tanker accident
notwithstanding) so I'd guess TPA and Orlando would continue to be the airports of choice for most in the area.
How about PIE for SX??

TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 9):
How about PIE for SX??

I tend to agree with you here. It's more conventional LCC thinking to look at PIE and SFB for TPA and MCO respectively. But this is SX, which is why I think LAL is more likely. Why have the cost of two stations when you can run one? And LAL is the same distance from Disney as SFB -- though traffic is less predictable.



TLH
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 10):
Why have the cost of two stations when you can run one?

Indeed. Assuming, of course, that LAL either has sufficient infrastucture or would be willing to invest in it.

More flights = more volume = more negotiating ability = better deal = lower costs = able to offer lower fares = more people book and fly (so generate even more ancillary revenue) = even more volume = even more negociating ability... and on.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
LAL either has sufficient infrastucture or would be willing to invest in it.

I'm not sure precisely what they have down there. I'm going over to Tampa in October, so I might try to drive by and see precisely. I want to say that the terminal is small and old. But as we have seen with SGJ, these medium sized Florida towns that want air service will put up the money for a makeshift terminal. And if SX flourishes, I expect we'll see these airports build a more permanent terminal.



TLH
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Skybus Announced and started selling tickets from Portsmouth to St. Augustine/Jacksonville/ Daytona Beach (SGJ) and Punta Gorda/ Ft Myers/ Sarasota (PGD) today.

flights will start on December 17, 2007.

Florida routes from New England in the winter & early spring are a no-brainer, but they are VERY tough to fill at sustainable fares during most of January and the first half of February (not to mention the summer).


User currently offlineDelta767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Could PSM be their expected focus city instead of GSO with this announcement or is more to come? (and if so, when?!)

User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

I still think Stockton could work. There are literally millions of people with in a 70 mile radius.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

I'm shocked that FLL isn't getting PSM flights. Then again, FLL isn't going to bend over backwards and bow down to Skybus like PGD and SGJ do.


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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 10):
I tend to agree with you here. It's more conventional LCC thinking to look at PIE and SFB for TPA and MCO

What about MLB as an alternative for MCO? I have taken US192 to Disney and it is only about an hour. you can also take I95 to International drive (about 50 minutes)

Is There even a terminal at SGJ? wil the airport build one? I have flown there a couple of times and all I saw was FBOs.

[Edited 2007-09-26 04:10:51]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Do these airports have rental car choices? Even SRQ doesn't have a ton of cars available during holidays, so are we going to have a lot of people flying to airports with no way to leave the airport?  Wink


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
I'm shocked that FLL isn't getting PSM flights. Then again, FLL isn't going to bend over backwards and bow down to Skybus like PGD and SGJ do.

I bet the lack of Gate space, and the higher operating costs are somethings that are keeping Skybus from flying PSM and FLL. Plus there's a possibility that the aircraft being used between PSM and SGJ are heavily utilised that flying the extra distance (albeit like an extra 45 minutes a day)...would through off the entire scheduling for that particular aircraft.

I could see FLL getting additional Skybus Service in the future though...


User currently offlineKrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that Skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.

User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 17):
What about MLB as an alternative for MCO?

I know we've been through this before. Maybe. But I think SX is going to control costs by using LAL as both TPA and MCO. MLB would still require a TPA station at PIE. They might as well use SFB in that case. Though admittedly, I think Brevard County is underserved. But I don't think SX going in will help that a whole lot. I'd put my money on LAL. They want air service back in Polk County, and I'm sure they'll put up some sort of deal to ensure they get it.



TLH
User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 20):
I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.

Well, a big problem is that Hertz currently is also closed on Sundays at that location.


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Looks like GSO"rumors" are picking up steam  Smile

Fair Use:

GREENSBORO, N.C. -- Skybus Airlines wants to add a base of operations beyond its Port Columbus home, and officials representing Greensboro's Piedmont Triad Airport made their best sales pitch yesterday.

Their efforts were backed by $300,000 in marketing money from government and development agencies that have gained a business-friendly reputation.

Although Skybus spokesman Bob Tenenbaum says there is no hard deadline, the Columbus-based startup airline is expected to decide within weeks which airport will become its next base or "focus city." That differs from a traditional hub because Skybus offers only point-to-point flights rather than connecting ones.



http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...T_09-26-07_C8_BK80UBV.html?sid=101


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 20):
I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that Skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.

With only one company, expect prices to be higher. So to use my favorite expression of the last 24 hours, flyers are robbing peter to pay paul. Cheaper airfares but more expensive rental cars?

As someone who flies into SRQ regularly, I noticed the last couple christmas seasons that rental rates were 2-3x the normal price (still available at TPA) due to lack of supply. And SRQ has most companies on airport.

I know people tell stories about how Ryanair puts you into smaller airports in the EU, and then once you factor in the bus/train fare to get where you thought you were going, it ends up costing about the same as another carrier. I wonder if this is also true for some of the Skybus airports.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 Gregarious119 : I do find it intriguing amongst all these discussions about GSO becoming a focus city that PSM is the first site to get non-CMH based flights. I think
26 DeltaRules : There's a large tent which is being used as the terminal there. It has enough room for a ticket counter, security checkpoint & seating areas. "Baggag
27 ChrisNH : Although there are exceptions, I don't think it makes sense to have a focus city in a place that's on the fringe of the route map like PSM is. Somethi
28 Delta767 : Very interesting that these rumors are starting to finally take shape. But this certainly differs wildly to the random claims on anet that GSO was one
29 RSWA330 : Glad to see PGD getting two destinations from Skybus. I would like to add that PGD is meant to seve the Ft. Myers market (hence the reason their route
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