Zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 7725 posts, RR: 73 Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 57131 times:
Still looks fairly similar, the devil is in the detail with systems etc. The information from the 10 A380 screens seems still to be on the 6 larger ones in this new picture.
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Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 57022 times:
Quoting Bells (Thread starter): Airbus has dropped the A380 cockpit for the A350 XWB and gone for bigger screens like the 787.
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The number / function of primary & secondary displays is different, the windows / layout, control stick/side stick.. a totally different cockpit from the 787.
Zeke, what about : “The ability to share some of this airport and navigation information on the centre display is seen as advantage for the pilots because it means they can be looking at the same display together." it seems logical to have the ability to point things to each other when sharing info on the same display, would that have value in your opinion?
Mcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1278 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 56475 times:
I really like the proposed A350XWB flightdeck. I have a 20+ year career of flying mostly Boeings and only about 4 years in the Airbus 320 Series. In my opinion I like the comfort, fit, finish and noise levels of the Airbus over the Boeings. The 777 may be the finest airplane I have ever flown but the 320 cockpit is best for long days. If the A350 meets the design targets for laid out by Airbus then I think they will have a very successful airplane. In addition the technical difficulties that Boeing is currently having with the 787 may be giving Airbus some catch up time. I am curious if Airbus is using this time effectively?
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 56071 times:
Quoting Badge (Reply 7): Looks like they have gone to the Boeing style rudder pedals.
What's the difference in rudder pedals? I thought they already worked the same.
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 8): They couldn't have had a common type rating anyway (twin vs. quad).
Is that the important factor? I thought the a343 has a common type rating to the a330 and a320 series? Or am I wrong?
Quoting Bells (Thread starter): Airbus has dropped the A380 cockpit for the A350 XWB and gone for bigger screens like the 787
If I look at the comparison photo's between the 787 cockpit and the new a350 cockpit, it seems that the 787 screens are much bigger. Is this just perception? I'd think the bigger the screens the better, right? Wonder why Airbus didn't go for even bigger screens.
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 55975 times:
Maybe they optimized the size of the screens on the XWB to be able to place them all next to each other, contrary to the low A380 info displays and the 787 EFB displays..
Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3596 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 55949 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 9): Is that the important factor? I thought the a343 has a common type rating to the a330 and a320 series? Or am I wrong?
As far as I know, they don't. They do however allow for quick crew training across types due to Airbuses 'Cross Crew Qualification' system due to the way the cockpits are designed to a common layout - it cuts crew training significantly.
Iwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 52928 times:
Does this mean the overall nose is going back to the original design? Or, are they just changing the flighdeck and keeping the 380 nose section? It appears to me that the former is true based on the view of the window panes on the 350 & 380.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 52860 times:
Quoting Bells (Thread starter): Are they doing the right thing, ie abandoning commonality? Can they have a common type rating anymore?
Quoting Kappel (Reply 9): Is that the important factor? I thought the a343 has a common type rating to the a330 and a320 series? Or am I wrong?
Absolutely not. Not even the A340 and A330 have the same type rating, they can't.
However, they will all basically handle the same and display information the same, which is what cockpit commonality is about.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21027 posts, RR: 60 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 52733 times:
Quoting Bells (Thread starter): Airbus has dropped the A380 cockpit for the A350 XWB and gone for bigger screens like the 787.
So, before they had the A380 cockpit wrapped in a new shaped enclosure. From the outside it looked like a 787 nose, but from the inside it felt like the A380.
Now they have adopted the A380 enclosure but have a new cockpit interior? From the outside the nose looks like the A380/A320 series, but inside, it's an all new design?
Or am I not reading the news from the last few days right?
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GeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 867 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 50810 times:
Okay, I'm not a pilot, and even my Microsoft skills are wanting at best. Flames on people! Is it possible that even Airbus has realized it has a dud on its hands?
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Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10452 posts, RR: 20 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 50220 times:
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 50036 times:
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 8): Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Are they doing the right thing, ie abandoning commonality? Can they have a common type rating anymore?
They couldn't have had a common type rating anyway (twin vs. quad).
Quoting Kappel (Reply 9): Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 8):
They couldn't have had a common type rating anyway (twin vs. quad).
Is that the important factor? I thought the a343 has a common type rating to the a330 and a320 series? Or am I wrong?
The A330 and A340 have the same type rating, the A320 is a different one and the A380 is a different one, The advantage is that cross training is easier if you fly one of these aircraft and transition to another, it should not be a problem for the A350 since the information is basically the same.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4553 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 49693 times:
I thought that the idea was to have a common type rating with the A330, not the A380.
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4175 posts, RR: 30 Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 49359 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 9): Quoting Badge (Reply 7):
Looks like they have gone to the Boeing style rudder pedals.
What's the difference in rudder pedals? I thought they already worked the same.
Don't you know the advantage of the Boeing rudder pedal system? It has a slide out tray that lets you hang your socks on to air them out. You can't do that on an Airbus! They need to go to the Boeing style rudder pedals. Pilots always prefer them once they've been trained to use them.
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 49048 times:
Nice job by airbus to give A350 bigger 15 " X ? wide screen displays. Boeing features 5 12X9" displays in 787,
Overall I like Boeings flightdeck better, its more space technology-esque, at least the CG of it. The A350 is very very nice though and I like it 10 times more than other Airbus flight decks, which in my view, are only a notch above that goofy Phthalocyanine blue Russian flight decks.
The A380 pic looks like, the flightdeck of a Russian version of the 747.
Maersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 632 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 48389 times:
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 20): Don't you know the advantage of the Boeing rudder pedal system? It has a slide out tray that lets you hang your socks on to air them out. You can't do that on an Airbus! They need to go to the Boeing style rudder pedals. Pilots always prefer them once they've been trained to use them.
Grbld From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 353 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 48117 times:
Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 21): Nice job by airbus to give A350 bigger 15 " X ? wide screen displays. Boeing features 5 12X9" displays in 787
Do the math, a 15" diagonal screen is EXACTLY the same size as a 12" by 9" screen! It's only that Boeing always mentions the width and height of the screens (ie. B777 = 8 x 8 inch).
25 TurkishAviator: Does that mean A380 cockpit has gone obsolete before it's EIS ?
26 Kappel: Thanks for the input guys. Guess I misunderstood the concept of cockpit commonality.
27 Tdscanuck: No. Obsolescence of avionics of that cockpit is going to be over 10 years, baring a huge technology breakthrough that nobody knows about yet. Tom.
28 Sh0rtybr0wn: I'm saying I think the Airbus screens are wider than the Boeing; 15 wide instead of 12. Dont the Airbus screens look more wideview to you? I'm guessi
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