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DL China Announcement  
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

U.S. TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY PETERS ANNOUNCES
NEW U.S. – CHINA AVIATION ROUTES FROM ATLANTA, SAN FRANCISCO, CHICAGO, NEWARK, DETROIT AND PHILADELPHIA

ATLANTA, GA – Flying from the United States to China will be more convenient, thanks to new direct routes from Atlanta and San Francisco announced today by U.S. Transportation Secretary Mary E. Peters. The Secretary also announced proposed awards for service from Chicago, Newark, Detroit and Philadelphia.

“By bringing China and the U.S. one step closer, we increase our ability to compete, boost our success in the global marketplace, and make international travel for all passengers easier and more affordable,” Secretary Peters said.

Secretary Peters announced that Delta Airlines had been awarded a new direct route from Atlanta to Shanghai, making them the first airline to fly that route. The Secretary also announced that United Airlines was awarded a direct route from San Francisco to Guangzhou, to begin flying in 2008. Both the Delta and United awards represent final decisions by the Department.

Peters also proposed awards for four new daily flights to begin in 2009: American Airlines for Chicago-Beijing service, Continental Airlines for Newark-Shanghai service, Northwest Airlines for Detroit-Shanghai service, and US Airways for Philadelphia-Beijing service. Final decisions of these proposed awards will be made in the near future after further public comment.

Secretary Peters said the announcement today is the result of an agreement signed in July with the Chinese government to open up airways between the two countries and double the number of daily flights allowed between the U.S. and China over the next five years. The agreement also allows for new cargo flights operating to and from the U.S. and China.

By increasing competition, allowing more flight options, and reducing costly stops and layovers, these new direct routes are expected to lower fares and increase convenience for both business and leisure passengers to travel to China, Secretary Peters said.

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

I still dont think US deserved PHL, since the northeast is well served between EWR and IAD, and even ORD to an extent. Plus US's inability to get their act together for this bid... they had plenty of time to prepare. I would have supported US if it was for an airport other than PHL, but other routes and regions could have benefitted more than US-PHL.


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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
I still dont think US deserved PHL, since the northeast is well served between EWR and IAD, and even ORD to an extent. Plus US's inability to get their act together for this bid... they had plenty of time to prepare. I would have supported US if it was for an airport other than PHL, but other routes and regions could have benefitted more than US-PHL.

US was a shoo-in as a new carrier designation, and frankly, PHL is the strongest of its hubs for China service. NW is the lucky one.


User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

Interesting. Of all of the candidates, CO was the only shoo-in, in my opinion. I'm only disappointed to see that Delta didn't receive ATLPEK as well. I suppose AA's ORDPEK makes sense in an effort for more competition against a dominant United.

US receiving PHLPEK is the real surprise – granted, it clearly only had to do with the "new carrier designation." Now let the 'When will the A340s arrive' speculation begin.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
I still dont think US deserved PHL, since the northeast is well served between EWR and IAD, and even ORD to an extent. Plus US's inability to get their act together for this bid... they had plenty of time to prepare. I would have supported US if it was for an airport other than PHL, but other routes and regions could have benefitted more than US-PHL.

This award is not final, it is still open to public comment if you read the press release:

Quoting Positiverate (Thread starter):
Peters also proposed awards for four new daily flights to begin in 2009: American Airlines for Chicago-Beijing service, Continental Airlines for Newark-Shanghai service, Northwest Airlines for Detroit-Shanghai service, and US Airways for Philadelphia-Beijing service. Final decisions of these proposed awards will be made in the near future after further public comment.

I think UA is playing their cards better than anyone. A route to the Chinese mainland from LAX will come for them probably in 2010. CO is trying too hard to get EWR-PVG service perhaps a bit pre-maturely since so many Chinese carriers offer JFK service. BUT, their ship looks to come in perhaps late in 2009.



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Based on that then CO EWR-PVG shouldnt be awarded either correct?

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
I still dont think US deserved PHL, since the northeast is well served between EWR and IAD, and even ORD to an extent. Plus US's inability to get their act together for this bid... they had plenty of time to prepare.


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
This award is not final, it is still open to public comment if you read the press release:

There is no reason to believe that it will not ultimately be final.


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=487893&docketid=28567

Just posted on the DOT site.


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

From DOT:

By this final order, the Department awards Delta Air Lines, Inc. (Delta) certificate authority to provide combination services in the Atlanta-Shanghai market and allocate to Delta seven weekly combination frequencies for its proposed Atlanta-Shanghai services. The rights become available to Delta immediately. By this final order, the Department allocates to United Air Lines, Inc., (United) seven weekly combination frequencies for its proposed San Francisco-Guangzhou combination services. The rights become available on March 25, 2008. By the show-cause portion of this order, the Department tentatively decides to award US Airways, Inc. (US Airways) certificate authority to provide combination services in the Philadelphia-Beijing market and to allocate to US Airways seven weekly combination frequencies for its proposed Philadelphia-Beijing services. The Department also tentatively decides to allocate the remaining 21 weekly combination frequencies as follows: seven weekly frequencies each to American Airlines, Inc. (American) for its proposed Chicago-Beijing services, Continental Airlines, Inc. (Continental) for its proposed New York/Newark-Shanghai services, and Northwest Airlines, Inc. (Northwest) for its proposed Detroit-Shanghai services. These rights become available on March 25, 2009.


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Does it seem odd to anyone else that the other SkyTeam partners were also filing to fly to Shanghai?
I mean shouldn't they diversify the destinations to make the total network stronger?
... or are they maybe trying to lock-up the business in the Shanghai market (I have no idea what other US airlines already fly to Shanghai)?


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 5):
Based on that then CO EWR-PVG shouldnt be awarded either correct?

EWR and IAD already have PEK. it would have been nice to see the Southeast US, (or a new region) get a PEK connection, not an existing region. as stated i would have supported CLT or PHX , but not a Clusterfunk of an airport within 2 hours of two existing PEK routes.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2007-09-25-china-flights_N.htm

from USA TODAY ...


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

and here it is from DL...

Delta Air Lines Wins Rights to Serve China Nonstop from Atlanta

Flights between world’s largest airline hub in Atlanta and fast-growing Shanghai slated to begin March 30, 2008

ATLANTA, Sept. 25, 2007 – Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) is poised to add nonstop flights between the world’s largest airline hub in Atlanta and Shanghai, China*, effective March 30, 2008, based on a ruling issued today by the U.S. Department of Transportation.

“We applaud Secretary Peters and the Department of Transportation for recognizing that nonstop Delta flights between Atlanta and Shanghai will bring more value to airline customers than any competing route application,” said Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson. “Delta’s new flights to China will fill a critical void in air travel today by providing the 65 million residents of the Southeast with direct access to the world’s fastest growing economy.”

Delta plans to provide daily nonstop service between Atlanta and China using its flagship Boeing 777 aircraft in a two-class configuration featuring BusinessElite, Delta’s award-winning business class service. Additionally, Delta plans to introduce fully horizontal lie-flat seats on its Boeing 777 fleet beginning in 2008, with new in-seat entertainment system offering on-demand, digital video and music at every suite.


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 8):
Atlanta-Shanghai services. The rights become available to Delta immediately.

I was a little suprised to see that DL is waiting until practically next April to start the service even though they have the rights today. I realize that this is because they are waiting for the LRs to be delivered but I guess I was hoping that it would be sooner than this.

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 12):
Flights between world’s largest airline hub in Atlanta and fast-growing Shanghai slated to begin March 30, 2008

I haven't been keeping up... When are they scheduled to receive the first of thier LRs on order?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

About damn time Big grin . Most important part of the news is probably that this flight will "only" start in late March 08, meaning pending on-time delivery, DL's first 2 77Ls will be on property by the time the route starts, meaning DL won't have to source used 777s for the flight.

User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 13):
I was a little suprised to see that DL is waiting until practically next April to start the service even though they have the rights today. I realize that this is because they are waiting for the LRs to be delivered but I guess I was hoping that it would be sooner than this.

They just don't have the airplanes. Plus, it does take some time to set up marketing, the PVG station, etc...


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

What a bunch of BS that Delta got the slots, UA, NW, or CO could have started operating those tomorrow if they wanted, and thats what the airlines were planning on doing, but instead they waste a slot for 2007 and yet DL is not going to start until end of March next year. DL should have been awarded the 2008 slot and the other slot givin to NW or CO. UA shouldn't get anymore because they already have more then enough slots, compared to NW which they whine about NW could operate DTW-PEK tomorrow if they wanted (yes true) however, that is NW only mainland route, while UA flies 2x SFO-PEK, IAD-PEK, ORD-PEK etc. US is a joke as well. I also think since UA has more then enough slots (and they could dump one of their PEK-SFO flights for SFO-Guangzhou) that they should have recieved 2009 rights.


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
What a bunch of BS that Delta got the slots, UA, NW, or CO could have started operating those tomorrow if they wanted, and thats what the airlines were planning on doing, but instead they waste a slot for 2007 and yet DL is not going to start until end of March next year.

Delta had a backup plan to start the service if the DOT required a sooner start, they just dont have to resort to that now...



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

I was a bit surprised to see that LAX-PEK on United wasn't one of the proposed routes. I was thinking that route would edge out DTW-PVG since LAX doesn't yet have nonstop service to mainland China on a U.S. carrier, but I was wrong. Maybe the D.O.T. felt the market was already well-served on the China carriers, which it is. Congrats to NW on DTW-PVG, I felt that one was the "dark horse" in this competition. And congrats to all the other carriers, especially Delta and USAirways. And I'm glad CO got EWR-PVG after failing to get that during the last round; they really wanted EWR-PVG bad. Of course, these routes aren't necessarily a done deal yet.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

for those of you who think I am biased towards DL, I started a new thread regarding all of the China awards by all carriers but the moderators deleted it as duplicated info...so all of the China route case discussions will apparently be done under a Delta thread.

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Delta is the surprise. They are flying to a region without much Shanghai demand.

CO, AA, US, NW are flying to regions with much more China demand. NW will serve nearly all of DL's "wide market" with faster speed. This will set up an intriguing competition between NW and DL come 2009. Why is there an ATL to China flight? Politics, and a thirst for experimentation at DL. NW will beat them on speed for most journeys.

NW finally got what they have deserved for several years. NW has loyally served the USA-China market for too many years to mention. It is demeaning that they should compete against US and DL and AA for these new rights. NW carries more credibility than any of them in this market. Their hub is also the best located to serve Americans from the East Coast.

AA's bid was extremely strong. It is a good thing they won. Same goes for CO. Their EWR hub gets another crown jewel.

US's bid was much-criticized but at least US can serve a wider market including the very-important BOS market with a lot of speed. Markets like PVD, BDL, LGA, DCA, IND, MIA, RDU will also be very big (and quick connecting) feeders for the US route. I would be very slow to criticize a Beijing bid that connects those feeders so very well (perhaps fastest, considering CO's weak connectivity at EWR). But, US's main problem is actually customer service. They better improve it (and fast) by 2009. That means lots of money invested and a new J product.


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

It makes sense that CO is getting EWR-PVG. They already serve the two other main Chinese cities (HKG and PEK) from EWR, so PVG is a natural addition.

User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 20):
Why is there an ATL to China flight?

I just read a news article about yet another Chinese company setting up shop in Georgia last week... An agricultural equipment manufacturer if I recall correctly.

There are a lot of companies in Georgia and across the SouthEast region doing business in China and they need direct air service.
As far as the actual destination (Shanghai) I don't know if that one is a good pick or not, but I do know that if I were flying to anywhere in China during the winter I would sure as heck rather connect in Atlanta than in Detroit if those were my choices.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
I also think since UA has more then enough slots (and they could dump one of their PEK-SFO flights for SFO-Guangzhou) that they should have recieved 2009 rights.

The 2008 route availability was restricted to Guangzhou by the agreement between the PRC and the USA. No one else applied for CAN, so clearly United wins the route award as the sole applicant.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
What a bunch of BS that Delta got the slots, UA, NW, or CO could have started operating those tomorrow if they wanted, and thats what the airlines were planning on doing, but instead they waste a slot for 2007 and yet DL is not going to start until end of March next year. DL should have been awarded the 2008 slot and the other slot givin to NW or CO.

Except the 2008 route authority was specific to Guangzhou. And this round of route awards seems to clearly demonstrate that DOT wants to use the new carrier designations which have been granted under the agreement with China.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
compared to NW which they whine about NW could operate DTW-PEK tomorrow if they wanted (yes true) however, that is NW only mainland route

As you said, NW could start DTW-PEK tomorrow, but they seem to be more interested in the Japan-China market than the U.S. China market. NW's route authorities to China aren't tied to NRT.


User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 9):
Does it seem odd to anyone else that the other SkyTeam partners were also filing to fly to Shanghai? ...trying to lock-up the business in the Shanghai market

Perhaps PVG is being prepped to be the Skyteam hub for China? Who is the dominant carrier there? It would be interesting to if that carrier (or one of them) is looking to join Skyteam. If this isn't the intend, it should be.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
What a bunch of BS that Delta got the slots, UA, NW, or CO could have started operating those tomorrow

Indeed, not the best allocation of resources to give this to DL for this year. DL could have taken the 2008 award, in all fairness. But then, this blocks the competition from setting up shop, so not a bad move tactically speaking.



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25 B4REAL : There is no evidence to support this. There would need to a member or an associate member hub or sizeable presence to make this work. But, I don't se
26 AirMailer : O.K.... but can you answer his question. Who's the dominant carrier there in the Shanghai?... and do they have a current alliance?
27 B2443 : The dominant carrier at PVG would be MU, which controls about 35% the passenger traffic. FM has about 18% and CA has about 12%. FM and CA are joining
28 ScottB : If anything, CAN will be the SkyTeam hub in China, given that China Southern is slated to join that alliance later this year and their primary hub is
29 Flighty : I'm not sure what you mean by that. But okay. Detroit does not have delays as much as Atlanta. A blizzard or two, but they handle handle snow like At
30 Post contains images B4real :
31 CV880 : At this point, could DL theoretically apply for a 2008 route to TSN, which is about a 1hr rail ride (less by next year) from Central Beijing? TSN is t
32 Positiverate : Seriously? Delta is the least biggest surprise in the award. And you're basing that on...? The South has tremendous demand for service to Shanghai. J
33 Pilotboi : Another one to check off the list. Congrats to Delta!
34 SeeTheWorld : Clearly, you haven't been keeping up with the DOT and the recent China applications over the past three years. DL is not a surprise at all. The only
35 Post contains links FXramper : Report - DL Gets China Route Authority (by Flynavy Sep 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)
36 UnitedNRT : Well I agree we should as well, if we had San Francisco to Beijing twice daily, but unfortunately we operate it only once.
37 NW748i : For obvious reasons everyone wants to get a slice of PVG, but the fact that Skyteam might have no future there as far as a hub seems to be a disconne
38 Ualcsr : Why is this thread titled DL China announcement when it involves all other US legacies? Moderator should change the title of this thread so it more ac
39 ZL : Again: NW's service to China from Tokyo is less beneficial to eastern U.S. passengers, but is clearly more beneficial to western ones. It gives weste
40 AS739X : But I am sure United wished they had 2 daily. I saw that post and thought I had missed something. Personally I think CAN will be a very good route fo
41 AirMailer : Well maybe they wanted both CAN and PVG.... Look at it this way, if DL, CO, and NW knew that they were getting a hub partner there in CAN it would ma
42 SeeTheWorld : That's not the point, and if you read the past DOT orders you will understand that. Regardless of whether NW's service is better for West Coast passe
43 Burnsie28 : Except look at this the reason why the DOT gave DL it, so it looks like 2007 was DL or NW. So based on the reason that the DOT gave DL the route they
44 SeeTheWorld : Come on guys - it takes at least three months to get a flight like this marketed. In addition, the carrier has to secure slots through the Chinese au
45 SQ452 : Any idea when the schedules will be loaded into the system or how early they can get this implemented? I imagine the 2008 awards will be important for
46 RwSEA : True. I would have preferred to see UA win over US (for LAX-PVG) but other than that things seem pretty balanced. At least DL didn't get ATL-PEK; tha
47 SQ452 : O&D no, connecting traffic yes, especially from the Florida market. DL was smart in marketing the route and making their case that this route was rea
48 Bobnwa : And they do that successfully for hundreds of US originating passengers everyday. Filling a need.
49 Post contains images Positiverate : I didn't say ATL-PVG. I said:
50 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Well, no acutally it doesnt. However as weve talked about before, theres no shame in filling a flight based on connections. And no one will argue tha
51 NW748i : And perhaps more especially from the South American market... but then the decision shouldn't be based on that, since American consumers are to be th
52 SeeTheWorld : Yes, but that need does not take precedence over a nonstop flight from the U.S. to China ... DUH!
53 Bobnwa : I will bet the NRT-China flights are still successful after all the new non-stops are started. They are filling a need for US citizens.
54 SeeTheWorld : I agree that the NRT flights will likely be successful going forward, but that's irrelevant to the issue at hand. NW made a decision after six years
55 Panamair : ATL-PVG flights already loaded: Starts March 30, 2008: DL 19 ATL 10:15am PVG 1:55pm+ Starts March 31, 2008: DL 18 PVG 3:55pm ATL 6:35pm Already blocke
56 Behramjee : yes there may not be that much O&D traffic between ATL & PVG but that was never the aim of DL's China flights from ATL. DL has always acknowledged th
57 RwSEA : So it sounds like this route will be operated with the 772ER rather than the 772LR. Will the LR's be used on JFK-BOM then, with the existing 772ER goi
58 DAL767400ER : Not sure it can be fully without any restrictions, but ATL-PVG is 121nm shorter than JFK-BOM, which is at least something. I would really suspect tha
59 Flighty : I agree politically (and in the real world) the biggest surprise is NW not DL. But in terms of transportation science, DL has the most far-flung argu
60 DeltaL1011man : ok so if DL trys for LAX-PEK/PVG next round and NW trys MSP or DTW just because they are northwest they should get the slots?
61 Flighty : Tough question. I am inclined to say yes because NW has so much more experience and history in China, and DTW/MSP are fine gateways. Look at how many
62 Post contains images Positiverate : Hmmm...which is it? The DOT Show Cause from today would disagree...such is life: From DOT: "Final Decision We have decided to award Delta certificate
63 WorldTraveler : If you read the DOT's arguments, they weren't as much opposed to LAX as they were to the fact that UA was proposing it.... If any other carrier propo
64 B767300ER : Well for a purely selfish reason, my partner a FA for CO already flys to China from EWR, will allow me to bid for DL flight from ATL. I will now brush
65 PRAirbus : American Airlines also received authority to fly in 2009!!! Chicago-Beijing Route receives tentative approval The US Department of Transportation this
66 OA412 : Actually NW is proposing to serve DTW-PVG with the 787-8 which is a smaller aircraft than the 772 that DL will be operating on ATL-PVG.
67 UA772IAD : SFO-PEK is once daily.
68 OB1504 : The original thread had a more accurate title, but it was deleted for some reason. The thread starter then made this thread with a title that focused
69 DeltaL1011man : ok wait so you think that only NW should get flights to China bro pass what your smoking please!!!!
70 FlyDreamliner : I agree that DL should be starting service sooner or should have gotten a 2008 frequency, but I think there was more at play, like the need for desig
71 RwSEA : Could you learn American English grammar please? I for one have been on a NRT-China flight, I doubt you have. Living in SEA it was by far the most co
72 DeltaL1011man : so would lots of other Asian flights but people on here just can't under stand that!! let me think about it.......NO ill talk how i want to talk if y
73 JJeff : 777
74 ZL : Unfortunately, there's no connection between "ATL is the largest hub" and "ATL-PVG will work pretty well". "An airport is largest" doesn't mean "it h
75 ElmoTheHobo : Which is why Northwest's bid was a joke. Northwest has 21 weekly frequencies to China, and chooses to operate them via Narita. I don't care that it c
76 Bobnwa : Yes, I have been on those flights many times and the majority of paasengers are connecting and not local O&D passengers. How many times have you been
77 Positiverate : Neither could DL. Huh? There absolutely is a connection when you can feed a flight from as many destinations as you can via ATL. No, but it can gener
78 CV880 : According to the agreement, there are 7 slots available for 2008 to Zone 2 cities, which have seemingly been ignored. One is TSN, about 1hr from PEK.
79 B2443 : But the high-speed train is between downtown Tianjin to downtown Beijing. Imagine having to 48" suitecases with you and going thru taxi to train stat
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