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DL JFK Announcements Tomorrow  
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19949 times:

Since we're close enough to the announcement tomorrow (and since I did a search and didn't see that anyone else had posted it), I thought I would share what I am hearing regarding JFK changes and service DL will be announcing tomorrow :

Nine new trans-Atlantic routes with nonstop service between JFK and:
Amman, Jordan (effective June 5)*;
Cairo, Egypt (effective June 4)*;
Edinburgh, Scotland (effective May 1);
Lagos, Nigeria (effective June 9)*;
Malaga, Spain (effective June 4)*;
Tel Aviv, Israel (effective March 10)*;
Dakar, Senegal (effective June 2)*;
Nairobi, Kenya (via Dakar) (effective June 2)*;
and Cape Town, South Africa (via Dakar) (effective June 3)*.

Five new Latin America routes with nonstop service between JFK and:
Guatemala City, Guatemala (effective Dec. 14);
Liberia, Costa Rica (effective Feb. 16)*;
Panama City, Panama (effective Dec. 13);
Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago (effective Dec. 20)*;
and San Jose, Costa Rica (effective Feb. 15)*.

The flights will be operated with a mix of Boeing 737-800, 757-200 and 767-300ER aircraft, with 737s and 757s serving Latin America and 757s and 767s flying across the Atlantic. The airline’s 2008 expansion will be aided by the introduction of 15 additional Boeing 757-200 airplanes on international routes. With the introduction of 757s in trans-Atlantic service, Boeing 767-300s serving short-haul routes will be freed up to serve long-haul destinations in Africa and the Middle East.

Also: as part of its plan to address congestion and delays at JFK, Delta will make the following changes before summer 2008:

Metering its use of airport resources by reducing average hourly departures by 6 percent during the most congested hours of 3:30-6:30 p.m.;

Decreasing departures during JFK’s afternoon ‘rush hour’ by shifting short-haul trans-Atlantic flights to a third bank of international departures after 7 p.m.;

Optimizing connecting times to increase transit time for JFK customers to enhance overall baggage performance and schedule reliability;

Increasing by 47 percent the number of Delta flights operated with larger two-class jets. Of the 204 daily departures at JFK planned for 2008, 60 percent will be operated with larger two-class aircraft seating between 70 and 270 passengers – up from 40 percent in summer 2007; and

Eliminating all Delta flights at JFK operated with turboprop aircraft.

Together, these changes will reduce Delta’s demands on limited airspace and airport resources until a comprehensive redesign of the New York airspace is funded by the federal government. Delta’s redesign will offer a more than 20 percent increase in available seat miles by summer 2008, with 11 more daily departures.

Enjoy!  Smile

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User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 766 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19950 times:

Bravo Delta! Now lets move forward with a new JFK home!

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19863 times:

Seems like most the focus is on Africa and those 763's range will definately be stretched on some of those routes!

How does the new service to Dakar work? Is it going to have its dedicated service or will this be made up of the services to Niarobi and Cape Town services??? That will mean a minimum of three DL aircrafts their daily, with the JOH-ATL service also stopping off their. Delta's has a new hub in Africa!

JFK-DKR-CPT will be a long old journey on a 763 with no PTV's!  bigthumbsup 

Surprised to see JFK-AGP as didn't realise the Americans were into the Costa Del Sol like us Brits! I would have thought other cities in Spain would have seen an NYC service before Malaga, it is a large regional city for the area but their are many larger cities in Spain like Seville, Las Palmas, Bilbao, Jerez and Valencia with no direct service....

Shame no LTN-JFK service to be launched!

[Edited 2007-09-25 16:28:42]

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19861 times:

Sweet!! I was hoping for delta to go to Capetown! Im hoping ATL-DKR-JNB will swap off with JFK-DKR-CPT to allow ATL-DKR-CPT connections


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineKstatepilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19834 times:

Good for Delta. Does anybody know what kindof routes the Freedom CRJ-900s are going to fly?

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19805 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
Im hoping ATL-DKR-JNB will swap off with JFK-DKR-CPT to allow ATL-DKR-CPT connections

That's what I was thinking too. I'm guessing JFK-DKR-CPT and JFK-DKR-NBO might operate on alternate days, with the JFK-DKR flight timed to allow connections to JNB.

I can't wait to hear the official announcement. If this is all true, DL's route map is looking more and more like Pan Am's...but with more nonstops!



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19558 times:

I think the announcements are bold on their part. I'd be interested in seeing their market analysis on the amount of traffic they feel they can generate from O&D versus connecting traffic.

User currently offlineN383PA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19502 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
Surprised to see JFK-AGP as didn't realise the Americans were into the Costa Del Sol like us Brits! I would have thought other cities in Spain would have seen an NYC service before Malaga, it is a large regional city for the area but their are many larger cities in Spain like Seville, Las Palmas, Bilbao, Jerez and Valencia with no direct service....

Didn't IB used to fly AGP-JFK in the past with DC-10?


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19476 times:

The 763 is very capable of flying to the Middle East from NYC... TW did it for years. DL will be putting winglets on its 767s which will reduce fuel burn up to 6% on flights of that length.

DL is obviously doing very well to Africa given its upgauging of its ATL-DKR-JNB flight (which has succeeded without PTV in coach) and increasing frequencies to ACC.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19414 times:
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Shouldn't there be more, especially with the 752s?

Consider that there are 15 752s coming, sample utilization could be like this:

JFK-SNN (already known)
JFK-MAN (already known; replacing 763)
JFK-FRA (already known; replacing 763)
JFK-EDI (already known; replacing 763 ATL-EDI)
JFK-BRU (already known; replacing 763)
JFK-AMS (possibly)
JFK-DUB (possibly)
JFK-TXL (possibly)
JFK-CDG (possibly)
JFK-AGP (already known; new)

That's still just 10 planes....where are the others going??? Inquiring minds want to know....

[Edited 2007-09-25 17:04:49]

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19322 times:

There was a rumour that JFK-CPH was on the list as well. How about that one?


Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19322 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
Shame no LTN-JFK service to be launched!

Why on earth would they launch that....?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19321 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Thread starter):
Dakar, Senegal (effective June 2)*;
Nairobi, Kenya (via Dakar) (effective June 2)*;
and Cape Town, South Africa (via Dakar) (effective June 3)*.

Sounds like alternating service, e.g. 4x weekly JFK-DKR-NBO and 3x weekly JFK-DKR-CPT.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
Surprised to see JFK-AGP as didn't realise the Americans were into the Costa Del Sol like us Brits

An article in a German aviation magazine a few months ago had an article about how AGP was trying to set up some subsidies to launch transatlantic service. Looks like they got them together, and DL took up the offer akin to their PSA flights.
Overall, great selection of new routes if proven true, definitely good to see DL fully expand in Africa. That should put them at 7 destinations, not bad.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19290 times:

Certainly seems that Delta is quite pleased with Africa performance, my guess is cargo is also fueling success on this route.

early bird certainly got the worm in this case....



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19111 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 5):
I'm guessing JFK-DKR-CPT and JFK-DKR-NBO might operate on alternate days, with the JFK-DKR flight timed to allow connections to JNB

DKR is *so* much fun to connect through Silly



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18986 times:

Will any of the Cross Country flights suffer from the increase in International flights during those "peak" times?

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18986 times:

a reminder that LHR is coming... apparently to be announced separately.

User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18890 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
That's still just 10 planes....where are the others going??? Inquiring minds want to know....

What's missing is the ATL announcement:

Also hearing ATL- REC, LPZ, ASU all on the 757; MVD, GLA on the 767ER and of course ARL is out of the bag as well as China today.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18834 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
DL is obviously doing very well to Africa given its upgauging of its ATL-DKR-JNB flight (which has succeeded without PTV in coach) and increasing frequencies to ACC.

Good news that DL is doing well on its Africa and I would bet that less than 1% of its higher yield passengers would ever care about lack of PTV. If all this new service does take place, it will be quite an ambitious step.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18745 times:

I have a feeling that B 764ERs would be used on certain African routes such as CPT and NBO instead of B 763ERs.

The biggest surprise for me is JFK-AMM with the B 763ER. I dont know why DL is interested in AMM when RJ already serves this market segment adequately. AMM is now a small scale one world hub as RJ is a part of that alliance so even more bewildering.

The only reason I feel DL wants to fly to AMM is because of the high yield business class traffic that can be gotten from U.S. politicians / diplomats who can fly via AMM to DAM & BEY, BAGHDAD and to AMM itself. These people as per U.S Govt law have to fly an American carrier to the furthest point of their journey.

[Edited 2007-09-25 18:20:08]

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18629 times:

no JFK-LIS? I'm sort of surprised...

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18566 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 19):
I have a feeling that B 764ERs would be used on certain African routes such as CPT

Even better if i can do ATL-DKR (change) - CPT on all 764s!



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18565 times:

JFK-LYS on the 752 seemed like a no brainer as well. Hopefully we'll see that one before too long. I know some friends who would be VERY happy to see that route start. Lyon is a beautiful city and it's the 2nd most important business market in France. Filling a 752 would probably not be a problem.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18528 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
JFK-AMS (possibly)
JFK-DUB (possibly)
JFK-TXL (possibly)
JFK-CDG (possibly)

AMS is now showing up as a 757. The others are still listed as 767s.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
DKR is *so* much fun to connect through

Not saying it is (although in fairness I've never been). Nor am I saying they should set up their next major hub there. However, if they've got two flights crossing paths at DKR, assuming the airport logistics could be worked out, wouldn't it make sense to allow passengers to switch between them?



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18272 times:

Quoting Exusair (Reply 17):

Also hearing ATL- REC, LPZ, ASU all on the 757;

ATL-REC can't happen right now, there is no route authority. La Paz also requires route authority application, and can't handle a non-stop 757 to Atlanta. Asunción, also, cannot handle a non-stop 757 to Atlanta. If they are going to expand into South America, what is logical is Medellin (though, again, they would need to get route authority) and Montevideo (Open Skies).



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25 PVD757 : so far, I've found these: effective mid DEC: JFK-GUA 0945-1353 345 738 TFS GUA-JFK 1445-2030 344 738 TFS JFK-PTY 0825-1335 343 738 MWRJ PTY-JFK 1435-1
26 FoxBravo : JFK-SJO and JFK-LIR are also loaded, with 757s. Am I crazy, or were these Latin American routes out of JFK announced previously?
27 Reggaebird : No disrespect meant but there really is no market from New York to Luton. It's only good for charter carriers or niche operators. Reggaebird
28 Post contains links Panamair : These were already announced at the end of June: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10757 Certainly played a big part..considering
29 FoxBravo : " target=_blank>http://news.delta.com/article_displa...10757 Thanks--I thought those routes sounded familiar!
30 Nycfly75 : I am rather surprised there arent a few more routes being launched to Europe, especially to places like Lisbon.
31 MaverickM11 : Of course, but after spending several hours in DKR, and from what I've heard of others' experiences, I could see a lot of people making their first c
32 Post contains links FoxBravo : Ok, fair enough! http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/...07/05/25/askthepilot233/index.html However, if connecting passengers between the two flights
33 Papatango : I will be truly amazed if LIS and LYS are not announced on WED!
34 Evan767 : Kind of happy and disappointed at the same time. Where's all the Europe? What happened to: LYS HEL WAW LED ZAG CMN ??
35 PVD757 : here is a sample of the 757 TATL flying I've found so far on 6/20/08 (a Friday): JFK to: MAN EDI SNN AMS BRU FRA
36 Jfk777 : Amman and Cairo, it seems they are going every where. Amman to JFK by 767 seems tight in the desert hot temperatures of Jordan in the summer. Royal Jo
37 SAS767 : Yes where is JFK-CPH on that list...
38 Evan767 : I'm going to play armchair CEO here for a moment: Looks like Delta has Africa pretty much covered. The only two spots I might see that need to be fill
39 Post contains images Leskova : I guess Malaga is the one on that list that surprises me most... along with the fact that DL really seems to be establishing a mini-hub of sorts at DK
40 OOer : Just checked with our res system....the following have already been loaded!!! Amman Cairo Edinburgh Lagos Malaga Tel Aviv Dakar Nairobi Did not check
41 Xkorpyoh : Harare?!? are you for real? do you know about the 7000% inflation rate there? I think the only one missing in Africa is CMN, although an extension to
42 MSYtristar : Nairobi has not been served by a U.S carrier since Pan Am, I believe. Once again, DL has proved that it is truly a global carrier.
43 USPIT10L : Delta codeshares with Royal Air Maroc to CMN from JFK.
44 GLAGAZ : Dont know about the rest but JFK-EDI has been on sale for ages. Gaz
45 Evan767 : All I said was I looked at Delta's African destinations on Great Circle Mapper. I noticed Delta has just about every point in Africa covered, except
46 BY738 : When will we hear about those...(if they are indeed true?)
47 MAH4546 : While anything is possible, I wouldn't count on them happening. I have a feeling that Stockholm and Shanghai might have been "the big announcement" f
48 FoxBravo : Cool! Here's what I've found so far on Delta.com for the Africa/Middle East routes, all on 763s: JFK-DKR is daily, and does in fact offer onward conn
49 Evan767 : JFK-AMM DL26 Departs: 420 PM Arrives: 1000 AM AMM-JFK DL23 Departs: 1200 PM Arrives: 635 PM --------------------------- JFK-CAI DL10 Departs: 420 PM A
50 HVNandrew : Could DL open up a small base in DKR?
51 FoxBravo : My mistake, I said JFK-CAI was DL10/DL11, but it is in fact DL10/DL9. One interesting point is that although JFK-DKR-NBO operates as a direct flight
52 MAH4546 : Amman, Jordan (effective June 5): DL 26 JFK 1620-1000+1 AMM 763 xTuFrSu DL 23 AMM 1200-1835 JFK 763 XMoWeSa Cairo, Egypt (effective June 4): DL 10 JFK
53 Evan767 : Somethings fishy about these timings. Are you sure NBO-DKR departs at 1930 and arrives at 1235 the next day? That doesn't seem right.
54 FoxBravo : I'm guessing that the JFK-DKR flight, which is daily, will continue on to CPT on the four days a week when it doesn't go to NBO. Perhaps there is a d
55 FoxBravo : Should be 0035, not 1235.
56 Evan767 : Also, I have a feeling there are more routes to come. Remember when Hauenstein let it slip that Delta was going to start JFK-NRT? When will that be an
57 DeltaL1011man : DL has 5th freedom rights from DKR(saw it on there don't have a link though sorry) DL's new CEO was going to JFK today and was going to tell the new
58 OOer : Its in there JFKAGP 06JUN-07JUN FRIDAY 1200N *ALT ET/G*1 1 1 162 J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 JFKAGP 505P 700A|1 752 0 K9 L9 U3 T0
59 PVD757 : I wonder if there will be some domestic changes. Right now there a few northeast cities (PVD is one of them) that doesn't have a late-enough JFK depar
60 Nycfly75 : Well we will know everything by the FAA's October 11th deadline. I also have a feeling there will be a couple of more routes announce. I feel strongl
61 Evan767 : JFK to NRT is a must. Hauenstein let it slip. I definitely have a feeling there is another wave of routes besides these.
62 Papatango : Checked in Delta's res system and can't find flights, where did you find the schedule
63 FoxBravo : Problem is that Delta.com doesn't recognize the airport code "AGP" yet!
64 Panamair : The 752 service doesn't start until March 1, 2008. I guess you can say downgraded in terms of capacity, but from a customer amenity perspective, it c
65 DL787932ER : How is JFK-NRT possible? It's way too far for a 763, winglets or no, and the 772s are quite busy. The two new ones coming in the spring are already ne
66 FlyASAGuy2005 : Anyone think a few ER 757's will be re-deployed to HNL on off seasons and possibly restart KOA and maybe Guam? Can they make it from SLC?
67 Evan767 : Ask Glen. It was rumored that this would be started with 772's. I guess Delta's plan might be to put the LR's on JFK-BOM, use those 772's for PVG, an
68 FlyASAGuy2005 : What exactly is the costs of operating out of SYD? I heard it's rather high (if your no Q). Also, kinda off topic but someone brought it up earlier. W
69 RL757PVD : My guess is once they get their 1st 777 after China is that we can see 3 777s dedicated to JFK to do: NRT-JFK-BOM-JFK-NRT (3) I can see the other 777
70 Nycfly75 : ..and North American too.
71 DeltaL1011man : don't think it will happen right now(ATL-JBN nonstop that is) with DKR turning out to be a small FC for DLs Africa opps. think it will go 764 first..
72 RL757PVD : They already upped it to a 764.... i was thinking the same think with the DKR stop, its just a guess anyways since its been rumored on here before. S
73 DeltaL1011man : later i will say its almost a done deal but the first new T7s will go to places in Asia and they will keep the 764 doing ATL-DKR-JBN
74 Positiverate : Tomorrow or Thursday.
75 WorldTraveler : I believe DL has to get approval from the US DOT in order to load the flights.... They had to wait several weeks to load the JNB schedules when they
76 Fewsolarge : Cool to see that they've spilled into the 200s for transoceanic flight numbers.
77 MAH4546 : Correct, they need to apply for US-South Africa slots (which they will get, as there are 14 available at first come, first serve).
78 AA1818 : If only AA could be as adventurous as this and serve destinations in the Middle East and Africa out of JFK!!!!!! Congrats DL!!! and good Luck!! Great
79 767-332ER : I guess Delta needs to serve the destinations you want before they can be labeled "a true global carrier." Pathetic!
80 FlyDreamliner : I am awfully impressed with what I am seeing out of DL in terms of T-ATL expansion... question is, when will they develop an Asia network? If DL final
81 DeltaL1011man : give it time it will come (they just need airplanes)
82 Airbazar : Not really. LIS is already served 3 times daily from EWR, one of those by CO which is a Skyteam partner.
83 Evan767 : Yeah I knew I was going to get some heat for that statement. Oh well.
84 RwSEA : And a West Coast hub with O&D.
85 JFK69 : I can see them upgrading JFK-TLV to a 777. LY and CO both fill numerous flights a day out of JFK/EWR DL may find the 767 just too damn small on this
86 DeltaL1011man : and they will get this T7 where?if anything it will go to 764 first not needed right now (ATL and JFK will work just fine for the time being)(though
87 Post contains images Nycfly75 : They will come soon enough
88 Flighty : JFK-HNL-SYD on 763 (new BizFirst) is an idea that's almost too good. IMO.
89 DeltaL1011man : someone on here said DL has ATL-HNL-SYD but just doesn't fly it!
90 MAH4546 : Not happening. The route can easily be done with a 763. They don't have enough 772s to put them on a route that doesn't need it.
91 MAH4546 : They'll serve Africa, but not out of JFK, and not for a few years. Africa is going to be a growth point for US carriers in the next decade, IMO. It's
92 MD90fan : Good news for many of the markets in general, although you'd have to be nuts to fly a tired DL 763 to Africa when SAA is doing non-stop flights with a
93 WorldTraveler : It will make it very hard for any other carrier to establish itself in a market where the only other carrier has something like a half dozen routes a
94 MAH4546 : Continental Airlines has dormant Newark-Moscow authority, while American has dormant Chicago-Moscow. I'm not exactly sure if they have expired or not
95 ATLAaron : I am more curious about which domestic routes are going to get upgraded aircraft. The information above mentions many cities would be moving to larger
96 Sxf24 : I think some routes will see the CR9.
97 N839MH : DFW will be getting Freedom Air CR9's in November and December. No more Shuttle America E170's DFW-JFK-DFW. Sure would be nice to see a DL mainline B7
98 DL173 : All, here are the actua schedules: Delta’s new nonstop service between Cairo and New York JFK will be scheduled as follows: Flight Route Schedule Ef
99 T7 : Is it possible for more routes to be announced soon? and btw, Is this official announcement or...?
100 Post contains images SQ452 : That would be the day...I'd love to see DL metal in SIN, and subsequently returning to KIX, NGO, and HKG. Maybe a SIN>CVG flight just kidding...one c
101 Mika : Now, if we could only get a JFK-GOT-JFK route to top it all of. I can imagine that such a route would not have the nessescary yield but i like to play
102 DHR : Stockholm is also a new destination from 2008. JFK-ARN I think.
103 Post contains links HZ747300 : I have seen DL metal in Hong Kong a lot lately. Mostly at the hanger by the end of the runway, but once it was parked near the tower where Hong Kong
104 Negekono : DL173, this is impressive and welcome! I bet there is going to be some reshuffling of the Kenya Airways frequencies for flight KQ512/513 (NBO 0855 BKO
105 DAL767400ER : ATL-ARN DL sends their 767s to HK for Heavy MX. Will probably be some time till DL offers scheduled flights to HKG given their lack of capable widebo
106 StationManager : Malaga city is larger than Las Palmas or Jerez, and Malaga Metro Area is probably larger than Bilbao's one. Besides has more population than official
107 Nycfly75 : Ya, Richard Andersen is supposedly due at JFK today.
108 DL173 : Yes these are from official pressreleases. I think more routes will be announced, especially moving of lfights from LGW to LHR and or new ones from LH
109 Incitatus : That is very naive. Airline routes have notoriously low barriers of entry. What we are watching is Delta reduce supply of seats in markets where it s
110 Post contains links Panamair : Well, here's the official announcement: http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070926/127425.html Also included in the news release is that the first pair of 772LRs
111 RL757PVD : Cant seem to find NBO or CPT in the res systems or scheds, anyone know ehen they will be loaded in?
112 Nycfly75 : I am also happy to see that 65% of the flights from JFK will be using larger 2 class aircraft, up from 43% this year.
113 PVD757 : yes, this is great. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that PVD can get an E70 or a CR9 or 2 (although, it's probably unlikely since its such a short hop
114 Nycfly75 : Is this still happening this week?
115 RL757PVD : From what ive heard, the loads have actually risen sharply since the DH8 to RJ transisiton, a bigger plane for the 3pm PVD-JFK to feed the big INTL p
116 Positiverate : Here's the release without clicking on the link (as expected): FOR IMMEDIATE DISTRIBUTION Delta Air Lines Builds on Successful Expansion at New York-J
117 RL757PVD : Still no word on a long term JFK solution? Is that expected this week too or no?
118 Panamair : NBO has been loaded; you need to pick the right days since it doesn't operate daily. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat out of JFK. CPT has not been loaded as DL nee
119 Positiverate : Good analysis.
120 PVD757 : I've heard the same. I think with the lack of MIA, DFW, or IAH service on AA and CO, that the early JFK flight could support a larger aircraft given
121 TinPusher007 : DL needs to quit putting a band-aid on its JFK facilities. Im anxious to hear some long-term plans!
122 Nycfly75 : These things take time to negotiate, especially the plans Delta and PANYNJ are working on. It will happen soon enough. They have to Band AId things a
123 TinPusher007 : I know...Im just being impatient. Do you have any specific info on what they are working on?
124 Post contains links LouA340 : 3 new African destinations starting next year. http://www.africanflyer.com/2007/09/...n-destinations-for-delta-airlines/
125 Alitalia744 : There are multiple options that are being looked at the key question is - how do you build or relocate terminals while maintaining your operations an
126 UN_B732 : I understand DL already cut all props from JFK. I don't know why it says they will eliminate all prop flights. -A
127 JFK69 : I know that Dl can't put a bandaid on the JFK operations anymore but how in the world are they going to build a new terminal....and where?
128 Amirs : it might be need for the added capacity. I think for a carrier like DL is today, filling up one daily 763 to TLV will be a piece of cake. If no 777 a
129 SESGDL : Any word on what the new JFK-IAH, CLT, and MSP schedules will look like and who the flights will be operated by? Jeremy
130 DeltaL1011man : ok we know you guys know so just tell us.....or when will DL spill the info?
131 Nycfly75 : Things will be happening soon...Alitalia744 and I offered our ideas in another thread. I dont think it would be wise for anyone to publicly discuss t
132 LawnDart : I think you're correct. Somebody is mistaken re: CDG...and here's a little riddle: France. See quote DL173 reply 108 above. And that's not all, folks
133 Cubsrule : At least with respect to CLT, the schedule they tried last time around (OH, 1x daily, leave JFK around noon, return around 3:30) is probably a good b
134 Evan767 : Do you know when?
135 DeltaL1011man : and yet i didn't get a answer from him in the last thread so i guess i shall try again.......what terminal could DL be getting th only open one is T8
136 Nycfly75 : Its neither of those and who said it was an open one?
137 Greenair727 : For the DL flight to JNB via DKR, will have DL have Beyond Fifth Freedom rights? That is, will it be able to carry pax between DKR and JNB only (with
138 DeltaL1011man : ok wait it would have to be open for DL it use it........dud just spill!!!!
139 Nycfly75 : Put it this way, while the various plans may ultimately effect almost every terminal indirectly, the most direct impact will be with the terminals yo
140 DLBOIFIN : Still hoping for JFK/ATL-HEL. But It seems it will only happen in my dreams...or in 2009..?
141 AA1818 : How many times per week will the JFK-POS flight run??? Also...I assume that it'll get a 738?? cheers AA1818
142 DeltaL1011man : ok so T1 i can see i guess but dam if T4 isnt full where will DL go in there?
143 RL757PVD : I'll take a crack at a possible solution about 50% of the T4 airlines can be reassigned to other terminals... PANYNJ will assist Oneworld = New AA ter
144 Alitalia744 : Especially given not all aircraft are accounted for in the expansion plus current skeds. 757s come to mind. Interesting.   [Edited 2007-09-26 22:47:
145 Panamair : Actually, no. T1 is a bigger mess right now than T4. With some judicious shifting around of capacity, DL could potentially use one wing (the one clos
146 MSPDL : Its about time DL in MSP got a JFK flight! It will make connecting in JFK easier rather than going from NW to DL!
147 Nycfly75 : You arent thinking. Delta will not go in any current structure as is. Obviously the pre 9/11 Terminal 2/3 plan is a valid option, but the other optio
148 DeltaL1011man : why would DL give up there terminals(in which they are all by them selves in) so they can move in with other people? i have herd this before but i ju
149 Nycfly75 : Delta will occupy its own facilities (with or without other Skyteam members) whether it means knocking down Terminal 2/3 and rebuilding it or doing a
150 RL757PVD : because they cant build a new terminal on top of T2 and T3 without a HUGE dispruption to the passengers, plus countless safety concerns. DL's INTL op
151 Post contains links FoxBravo : Reading between the lines, it sounds like the plan may be similar to what was announced back in October 2000, for completion in 2004(!): http://query.
152 DAL767400ER : Sure would be nice. As far as the old 2000 proposal goes, I have read pretty much everything there was about it, but were there ever any graphics of
153 Delta767 : I havent seen or heard anything about these new flights to CLT, MSP and IAH...where is that information? and are there any other new domestic cities
154 LawnDart : No, sorry...I don't. To be honest, I thought they would be announced at the same time. Hmm...read on: The old plan might have involved moving operati
155 Post contains images FoxBravo : I don't recall anything like a rendering, but there was definitely a map showing the general layout in the NY Times along with that article. Unfortun
156 Flydl2atl : Just throw some dirt in Jamaica Bay...it can't be that deep.
157 Post contains images Alitalia744 : I'm right there with ya LawnDart
158 DAL767400ER : Jamaica Bay is some type of national park/sanctuary though. Lord knows if it wasn't, it would have long ago been filled up for a third east-west runw
159 Nycfly75 : Bingo!!!! Change may be afoot where the apple greets her guests. A southern belle seeks to unify her team and tower above the rest. This as the world
160 Post contains images Nycfly75 : Thats east
161 Post contains images Alitalia744 : TowerAir from T2 is actually west....
162 Flydl2atl : Wow...with all the riddles...what about moving to EWR?
163 Evan767 : Ugggh I'm sick of all these childish riddle games, it's like saying 'I know something you don't know". And even though some people in this thread do,
164 Panamair : Nycfly75 has been as explicit as possible....and if you haven't caught it by now....
165 Nycfly75 : Dude, we provided you with a lot of inferred info without directly telling you...figure it out and see if you were right when Delta and PANYNJ announ
166 WorldTraveler : JNB is at 4000 feet. The range of the 788 at sea level would have to be much higher than it currently is in order for the airplane to be able to JNB
167 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Very true. AMM-JFK is only a measly 32nm longer than ATH-ATL, and believe me, during summer Athens can be fvcking hot as well . And in a few years CO
168 WorldTraveler : but we still haven't seen performance statistics for the 787 8 or 9. I'm not convinced that it will be able to fly an 8000 mile route from a 4000 foot
169 DeltaL1011man : grr.....im with Evan i dont get it someone PM me and tell me WTF is going on!!!! if DL takes T4 then will DL be the only airline in T4? I don't want
170 STT757 : There was in the Print edition of the New York TImes Metro Section, I have it somewhere.
171 Post contains links and images LawnDart : For a terminal, no, but... I predict that the PANYNJ will purchase "offsets" (land somewhere else), and make the case that we are wasting fuel and po
172 Nycfly75 : Riddles are fun, plus I'm sure our respective sources wouldn't like if we plainly announced what was happening instead of hinting.
173 Post contains images RJpieces : After reading most of the posts on here, I have my new prediction for what it will be: Delta will move into an expanded T1...The process for ding hti
174 Runway23 : I somehow don't believe Delta will use T1 at all. I'm guessing we will see some airlines move from T4 to T7 and some move to other respective termina
175 RJpieces : You could move all the non-peak T4 operators out of T4 easily, that isn't the problem...It's rush-hour traffic that is the problem. There really is n
176 Runway23 : I'm not denying that far from it. But nobody said closing down a terminal is going to be easy. Who know's what the port authority my do. Could easily
177 Post contains links Panamair : In the Delta press release: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10861 "......With the summer 2008 schedule, more than 85 percent of
178 Post contains images DAL767400ER : No doubt, after all those crazy fvckers dispatched the 772 for a nonstop ATL-BOM before, so with them anything's possible . Hopefully. But even with
179 Post contains links Nickofatlanta : Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it would be easy to move some airlines out of Terminal 1 because I believe that the anchor tenants
180 Nycfly75 : Nice try, but no. Besides, plans can change at the snap of a finger. There are a number of scenarios. All but one looks like a plan that was previous
181 RJpieces : Sure, but that could be rectified...An airline like JAL would probably be better off in the brand-new T9 now anyway.... We shall see! As with all of
182 Post contains images FoxBravo : Ok, so you're saying DL and the rest of Skyteam will move into T8, the non-Skyteam carriers from T1 will relocate to T4 or wherever else they can squ
183 Nycfly75 : Nope your idea is as cold as the artic.
184 COEI2007 : CO flies DUB-EWR twice daily, which is competition. And, although they arent a US carrier, EI has up to 3 daily flight from DUB to JFK, so competitio
185 FoxBravo : Ok, then I'm back to my original guess, which is close to the 2000 plan: DL and Skyteam consolidate in T4, possibly with an extension to one or both
186 Post contains images Panamair : Which is why I specifically said no US carrier competes with DL from JFK .since the original post referred to DL's US competition from JFK. DL doesn'
187 HZ747300 : Will there ever be a consolidated Star Alliance terminal at JFK? And can BMI start LHR-JFK service? They need to do something at JFK, 845am flight, DL
188 FoxBravo : Yes, that's what it sounds like. In the long term, I'm guessing T1 would gain a second concourse where T2 is now, and T4 would gain a third concourse
189 Post contains images RJpieces : Haha, try 7PM on a day with less-than-perfect weather
190 Nycfly75 : Sounds Interesting.[Edited 2007-09-27 20:13:31]
191 DeltaL1011man : is that right? man i sure will miss T3 i wish DL could keep it though most hate i really like it and it reminds me of back in the day when there wher
192 SESGDL : Looks like JFK-MSP, IAH, and CLT have all been added to schedules as well: JFK-MSP 1930-2148 5203 CR9 DAILY Operated by Comair MSP-JFK 1045-1420 5204
193 TinPusher007 : What, may I ask is the point of operating all of these outbound flights so late in the day? Also, I would hope DL plans to throw the CR9's on the MSP
194 WorldTraveler : there certainly are not. You have no idea of what you speak. ATHATL operates with a full load. Regardless of whether it makes you feel good or not, D
195 Evan767 : Why's that, because of ground time?
196 WorldTraveler : no because of winds.
197 Evan767 : Woops, thought you meant ATL-BOM vs. JFK-BOM.
198 Delta767 : The CLT flights are showing CRJ-100s from JFK and CRJ-700s to JFK at least on the multiple July and August dates I checked.
199 LawnDart : WorldTraveler, with all due respect, you have no clue who I am. I do know of what I speak...trust me. Why wouldn't it make me feel good? I love the 7
200 CALMSP : so...........IAH-JFK.............any retaliation from us (CO) coming??!! We didnt take to kindly the B6 entry into the market. Whats next for NW I'm w
201 Nycfly75 : Connecting JFK to MSP and IAH is hub to spoke flying. If DL launched EWR-IAH thats another story. I dont think CO and NW see the need to retaliate. P
202 Incitatus : Can you please write complete sentences? Operates with a full load.... of passengers, given adequate conditions. 767-300ER airplanes are only good fo
203 RJpieces : So much for Delta reducing capacity at JFK during peak hours!
204 Cubsrule : What a terrible schedule. I predict the CLT flights will last 2 months.
205 Alitalia744 : The schedules make perfect sense...designed to connect to and from DL's JFK Int'l banks.
206 Cubsrule : ...if you like 6 hour connections on the way home.
207 CALMSP : we retaliated when B6 entered the JFK-HOU market. Maybe we'll move in with a 5th daily filght. Who knows!!
208 Post contains images Panamair : DL's international arrivals are spread throughout the afternoon. The early arrivals (which would necessitate your 6 hour connection) into JFK such as
209 SESGDL : Way off. The 763ER fully loaded can easily do 5,000 mi routes before payload restrictions begin to take place. I guess you're saying that DL doesn't
210 Cubsrule : If DL could not fill a CRJ with the likes of AMS, CDG, and BRU passengers the last time around, I fail to see how they'll fill a CRJ with the linkes
211 Papatango : When is this big terminal announcement supposed to take place, for next summer ops it better happen soon.
212 Post contains links WorldTraveler : quote=Incitatus,reply=202]Can you please write complete sentences? Operates with a full load.... of passengers, given adequate conditions. 767-300ER a
213 Post contains images LawnDart : Is that the ATH-ATL leg, or the ATL-MCO leg? It does matter who I am, and I have known, or can find out, what DL139 carries...and, conversely, what i
214 Flydl2atl : Ok...well I have a question for you guys....I want to go to WAW next year for vacation to see some friends...if I want to ride DL metal all the way t
215 Post contains links LawnDart : genießen Sie Ihren Flug nach Berlin nenhuns vôos de Atlanta a Lisboa translations courtesy of http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
216 WorldTraveler : then tell us what 139 carried from ATH each of the past 7 days. I have contact in DL operations who can verify... and we'll see how "resticted" those
217 Post contains images LawnDart : Good grief...you just won't let it go... Over the past 7 days, there weren't any restrictions - temperatures in ATH have moderated somewhat from the
218 WorldTraveler : yes, post, the counts including non-revs unless they don't weigh anything. No names, please. And don't fudge the numbers 'cause I know the flight went
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