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LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?  
User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

LOT has announced an 'experimental' service begininng soon between JFK and Rzeszow. Does anyone know why of all Polish cities LOT chooses Rzeszow? Why not Gdansk or Wroclaw where there is probably more bussiness to be had and also more possible connections year round?

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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

You'll probably will find some answers in the previous topic about the same question:

RE: Direct Flights From New York To Rzeszow, Poland (by BlueSky1976 May 15 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1889 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why of all Polish cities LOT chooses Rzeszow? Why not Gdansk or Wroclaw where there is probably more bussiness to be had and also more possible connections year round?

Why? The answer is simple: demand. LO had very good loads on the route during summer and it is already confirmed to resume for the next year. Once the new terminal at RZE is built, it is likely NYC-RZE route will become a year-round service.



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User currently onlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2625 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

I'd ask why not YYZ-RZE too? I'd definitely fly it.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23081 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

What is LO's widebody situation right now? I know they have 787s coming, but it seems that they're stretched pretty thin for now.


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User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

I hear LOT to take delivery of 787s begininng mid to late autumn 2008. Cant wait to see the 787s in the most beautiful color scheme out there...LOT! They have introduced not too long ago new bussiness class seats on soon to be gone 767s - why? Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)

Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities if RZE would be added as a regular also located in the south. That way, both SW and SE are covered evenly by LOT and probably pleasing more passengers?


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23081 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities

But KTW and KRK are essentially redundant, especially now that there's a highway between the two. OTOH, RZE is fairly isolated from the rest of the country, and the air connections between Belarus and Ukraine and the U.S. aren't exactly stellar.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Cant wait to see the 787s in the most beautiful color scheme out there...LOT!

Yes LOT livery will look great on 787's and the cabins will be a major upgrade in the product they offer. Cant wait to book onto the LO B787.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1889 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)

I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
What is LO's widebody situation right now? I know they have 787s coming, but it seems that they're stretched pretty thin for now.

The latest plan is to take 8 787-8s between 2008 - 2010, retire 762s after the 2008 summer peak time and keep 763s until around 2012, when the larger 787-9s arrive. As of now, the -9s are not firm, but the delivery slots have been reserved by LO for 2011and 2012 I believe.



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User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 8):
I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.

Is CO going to fly the 787 with less than 9 abreast? One of the reasons i like the 767 is bc it feels big enough but not as many people get screwed when it comes to a seat.
It would be neat to see some more action into Poland from the outside world. Why hasnt Delta come to Poland ...and stayed? They fly to Romania and Greece to the Eastern side of Europe, so why not WAW.


User currently onlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2625 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 8):
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)

I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.

Perhaps I won't fly LOT at all then...

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):

Man, it's quite easy to find out what's your favourite airline...


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23081 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):
Why hasnt Delta come to Poland ...and stayed? They fly to Romania and Greece to the Eastern side of Europe, so why not WAW.

Perhaps awaiting the new terminal at Okecie?

Actually, I think it has more to do with the location of the hubs. Compared to much of the rest of central and eastern Europe, NYC-Poland is well served by LO, and given that most of the North American Polish expat population is in Toronto, New York, and Chicago, ATL is a terrible place from which to run a WAW flight.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Do all the flights go to JFK or are some to EWR?


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User currently offlineKonrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3):
I'd ask why not YYZ-RZE too? I'd definitely fly it.

YYZ-KRK has been tried first year when transatlantic service came to KRK and it didn't work out. Since KRK didn't work out, RZE probably wouldn't work either.

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities if RZE would be added as a regular also located in the south.

Do you mean flying to KTW/Katowice to/from JFK/ORD ? The ethnic Polish population in the U.S. comes mostly from the eastern parts of the country, for instance from the countryside around Rzeszow. There are not so many people from Katowice region in the U.S.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
But KTW and KRK are essentially redundant, especially now that there's a highway between the two.

I don't think they are redundant. The two airports are rather close but not as close as CGN/DUS or MAN/LPL pairs. They also cover different catchment areas, KRK catchment area extending down to Zakopane and east to Rzeszow, KTW west to Opole but also getting passengers from Ostrava region in the Czech Republic.


User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting Konrad (Reply 13):
RZE probably wouldn't work either.

I agree, even with cities like Lvov and Kosice. Its not enough to justify a 767-200 let alone a larger 787.
Konrad, how do you know people from Western Poland dont come to the US.
Maybe they could do alternating transatlantic flights with one aircraft between RZE and GDN.
If your going to get RZE, then might as well do GDN and have better connections to the Baltic nations. So far, LOT comes to my hometown of ORD twice daily for at least half the year. Lots of the increased traffic comes from other nations and other regions, not just Central and East.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1889 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):
Is CO going to fly the 787 with less than 9 abreast?

Some people on this forum claim to have seen CO 787 seat maps with 8 abreast economy, so the answer would be yes.

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):
Why hasnt Delta come to Poland

Two words: Terminal 2.



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Yes LOT livery will look great on 787's and the cabins will be a major upgrade in the product they offer. Cant wait to book onto the LO B787.

There's one on LOTs website to view.

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 14):
Maybe they could do alternating transatlantic flights with one aircraft between RZE and GDN.

Gdansk has much better flight options and connections than RZE which is why it was chosen.
From RZE you can fly 3x daily WAW, 1x Daily STN, + a few weeklies to Bristol/Dublin with Ryanair.

Rzeszow is the only "real" airport covering a densely populated area of Lvov, Kosice, Lublin for hundreds of kilometers...
LOT picked up on this...

All western Polish airports (inc Krakow) have good (and improving) rail and road links as well as competitive air links.

Rzeszow to that extent.. is an area of traditional Polish emigration...with poor links but large family connections....hence people fly from here.

Chicago, New York and Curitiba(Brazil) and London have the largest polish and ukrainian emigratant communities and most are from this region... thats a few million people !!! LOT's responding to that.. without a competitive threat.



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