KochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
LOT has announced an 'experimental' service begininng soon between JFK and Rzeszow. Does anyone know why of all Polish cities LOT chooses Rzeszow? Why not Gdansk or Wroclaw where there is probably more bussiness to be had and also more possible connections year round?
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1701 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2628 times:
Quoting KochamLOT (Thread starter): Does anyone know why of all Polish cities LOT chooses Rzeszow? Why not Gdansk or Wroclaw where there is probably more bussiness to be had and also more possible connections year round?
Why? The answer is simple: demand. LO had very good loads on the route during summer and it is already confirmed to resume for the next year. Once the new terminal at RZE is built, it is likely NYC-RZE route will become a year-round service.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21208 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2190 times:
What is LO's widebody situation right now? I know they have 787s coming, but it seems that they're stretched pretty thin for now.
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KochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2092 times:
I hear LOT to take delivery of 787s begininng mid to late autumn 2008. Cant wait to see the 787s in the most beautiful color scheme out there...LOT! They have introduced not too long ago new bussiness class seats on soon to be gone 767s - why? Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)
Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities if RZE would be added as a regular also located in the south. That way, both SW and SE are covered evenly by LOT and probably pleasing more passengers?
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21208 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5): Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities
But KTW and KRK are essentially redundant, especially now that there's a highway between the two. OTOH, RZE is fairly isolated from the rest of the country, and the air connections between Belarus and Ukraine and the U.S. aren't exactly stellar.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1701 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1937 times:
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5): Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)
I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4): What is LO's widebody situation right now? I know they have 787s coming, but it seems that they're stretched pretty thin for now.
The latest plan is to take 8 787-8s between 2008 - 2010, retire 762s after the 2008 summer peak time and keep 763s until around 2012, when the larger 787-9s arrive. As of now, the -9s are not firm, but the delivery slots have been reserved by LO for 2011and 2012 I believe.
KochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 8): I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.
Is CO going to fly the 787 with less than 9 abreast? One of the reasons i like the 767 is bc it feels big enough but not as many people get screwed when it comes to a seat.
It would be neat to see some more action into Poland from the outside world. Why hasnt Delta come to Poland ...and stayed? They fly to Romania and Greece to the Eastern side of Europe, so why not WAW.
WildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2432 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1881 times:
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 8): Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)
I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21208 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9): Why hasnt Delta come to Poland ...and stayed? They fly to Romania and Greece to the Eastern side of Europe, so why not WAW.
Perhaps awaiting the new terminal at Okecie?
Actually, I think it has more to do with the location of the hubs. Compared to much of the rest of central and eastern Europe, NYC-Poland is well served by LO, and given that most of the North American Polish expat population is in Toronto, New York, and Chicago, ATL is a terrible place from which to run a WAW flight.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Konrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1857 times:
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3): I'd ask why not YYZ-RZE too? I'd definitely fly it.
YYZ-KRK has been tried first year when transatlantic service came to KRK and it didn't work out. Since KRK didn't work out, RZE probably wouldn't work either.
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5): Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities if RZE would be added as a regular also located in the south.
Do you mean flying to KTW/Katowice to/from JFK/ORD ? The ethnic Polish population in the U.S. comes mostly from the eastern parts of the country, for instance from the countryside around Rzeszow. There are not so many people from Katowice region in the U.S.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6): But KTW and KRK are essentially redundant, especially now that there's a highway between the two.
I don't think they are redundant. The two airports are rather close but not as close as CGN/DUS or MAN/LPL pairs. They also cover different catchment areas, KRK catchment area extending down to Zakopane and east to Rzeszow, KTW west to Opole but also getting passengers from Ostrava region in the Czech Republic.
KochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1752 times:
Quoting Konrad (Reply 13): RZE probably wouldn't work either.
I agree, even with cities like Lvov and Kosice. Its not enough to justify a 767-200 let alone a larger 787.
Konrad, how do you know people from Western Poland dont come to the US.
Maybe they could do alternating transatlantic flights with one aircraft between RZE and GDN.
If your going to get RZE, then might as well do GDN and have better connections to the Baltic nations. So far, LOT comes to my hometown of ORD twice daily for at least half the year. Lots of the increased traffic comes from other nations and other regions, not just Central and East.
StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 7): Yes LOT livery will look great on 787's and the cabins will be a major upgrade in the product they offer. Cant wait to book onto the LO B787.
There's one on LOTs website to view.
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 14): Maybe they could do alternating transatlantic flights with one aircraft between RZE and GDN.
Gdansk has much better flight options and connections than RZE which is why it was chosen.
From RZE you can fly 3x daily WAW, 1x Daily STN, + a few weeklies to Bristol/Dublin with Ryanair.
Rzeszow is the only "real" airport covering a densely populated area of Lvov, Kosice, Lublin for hundreds of kilometers...
LOT picked up on this...
All western Polish airports (inc Krakow) have good (and improving) rail and road links as well as competitive air links.
Rzeszow to that extent.. is an area of traditional Polish emigration...with poor links but large family connections....hence people fly from here.
Chicago, New York and Curitiba(Brazil) and London have the largest polish and ukrainian emigratant communities and most are from this region... thats a few million people !!! LOT's responding to that.. without a competitive threat.
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
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