Nighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 4985 posts, RR: 39 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5901 times:
Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter): This comes just a couple of weeks after announcing that STN will also close , along with ABZ.
GSM will not be basing an aircraft over the winter at ABZ, however one will be based next summer once again. So its not exactly a base closure.
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2): I think their long haul expansion was a mistake. They should have stuck with the bread and butter sun routes to Europe and Canaries.
The long-haul expansion was too much too soon. They spread the fleet out too much and tried to operate too many bases at once. Also the decision to send their 767s off to India and lease in some aircraft at the last minute didnt help them! The reliability of the leased aircraft was what caused the problems.
BY738 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Sep 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5784 times:
Talk about scare mongering. There is a full program planned for next summer with alterations to the long haul program. Its always been GSMs philosophy to drop routes that underperform. Use it or lose it and they lost it, albeit partly due to poor reliability. GSM are far from over. Beginning of the end ...indeed. The sorthaul program runs well and is extremely profitable. Also to rember 787s on order and will be in the first group of airlines to get them.
Yes, but the idea to offer low-cost trans-atlantic flights was just great!
It seems to me, that GSM will change a lot in the future- maybe too late, e.g. the "NEW Economy Class".
Back in the days, I think the service was too complicated... offering different classes on different planes, different a/c configurations etc.!
Back to the basic, what will be GSM's fleet for winter? I am guessing:
both B757 will return to Iceland, B767ER EI-DOF/-DMJ back to NEOS, G-CEOD & G-CEFG for Air India, G-CDPT will stay in fleet for long-haul to Canada/USA...
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2880 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5629 times:
I would not call this the beginning of the end!
I would call this "once bitten, twice shy!"
FlyGlobeSpan tried expanding too soon and too quickly, and are now learning the lesson for themselves after getting their fingers burnt.
It would seem to me they are going back to their grass routes of providing a LCC to Scotland, which is what they orginally started out as... They should still continue Long Haul services, but produce a realistic timetable and have a back up plan when an aircraft goes tech!
I think this is the right decision...
Does this mean LPL-JFK and LPL-YYZ will not continue next year? I hope they do continue, as next year Liverpool will be 2008 European city of culture. So is likely to pull in a lot of international visitors.
RickYHM From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5537 times:
Interesting, I have been told that STN is closing because of all of the problems they are having there generated by STN management. They will just do Gatwick.
The have MAN / YHM on sale until 21MAY08.
They apparently told YHM management that they would start their new summer service out of YHM May 1st with three flights per day. They are talking about more non-stop flights apposed to what they did this summer and having the aircraft stop at one or more other destinations. There are rumour going around YHM that Flyglobespan may have as many as 6 flight per day out of YHM
Another rumour is that they are looking to make YHM their North American base.
I know that they are just rumour, but once in a while they turn out to be true.
Flyglobespan was very happy with YHM this summer (not a rumour). The planes went out almost full-to-full. Way more than they expected! Their cost of operating out of YHM was about a ¼ of what it would have been out of YYZ. YHM is expanding the departure area by 800 passenger, more ramp area especially around the international area and more improvements/expansion of the international arrivals/customs area based on what they where told by Flyglobespan plans for the summer of 2008.
It seems like when an airlines has problems, people start talking about their demise.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4899 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5506 times:
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2): I think their long haul expansion was a mistake.
I dont think it was the long haul, just the pace of it. Their SFB operation did fine last year
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 4): From 1 B737 in 2003 to 14 B737 3 B757 and 4 B767 in 2007 is too fast IMO.
Part of the problem as far as long haul is concerned was that they had to replace the entire Air Transat programme for Globespan Holidays. Maybe they needed to try and subcontract some of that work out to someone like TCX or MYT as happens with Canadian Affair (now owned by Air Transat). LPL-JFK as well didnt help matters
Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 3): Also the decision to send their 767s off to India and lease in some aircraft at the last minute didnt help them!
Bet the money was nice though
Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 3): The reliability of the leased aircraft was what caused the problems.
Bad planning to a certain extent. GSM shouldnt have released their long haul programe until they had secured reliable aircraft to perform it. Though to be fair to them they had a lot of bad luck as well
Quoting HUYfan (Reply 6): I don't see the MME base lasting past next summer.
Hope that isnt the case. They've got a chance to build a nice little niche base with little direct competition.
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10): Does this mean LPL-JFK and LPL-YYZ will not continue next year?
LPL-JFK is almost certainly gone. GSM's reputation is s**t (to be blunt) in the LPL market. Also didnt helpm they couldnt offer any onward connections at JFK. LPL-YHM maybe able to survive with the support of Globespan's long standing Canadian passengers.
Will be interesting to see GSM's Canadian operation next summer. STN is probbaly gone. Hopefully most of the regional flights will continue. Maybe frequency reduction on MAN and GLA-YHM. And I qwonder if YYC/YVR will continue
I think GSM, are doing the right thing now - they need to contract, regroup and let things settle down. They've made a cock up of a lot of routes and need to refocus on what they are good at. Then, once they have improved their reputation, look at expanding again
Jwb2 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5457 times:
Yes GSM haven't had the best of years have they. Liveing close to LPL I had so much hope in GSM and was excited about the new JFK service and also Toronto. I think it was that they expanded too quickly and a cause of bad management.