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Flyglobespan - The Beginning Of The End?  
User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 602 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

After months and months of major delays, poor passenger feedback and being told by JFK "not to bother anymore",
Flyglobespan has just announced it will be permanently closing it's MAN base.

This comes just a couple of weeks after announcing that STN will also close , along with ABZ.

My thoughts are with the flight deck/cabin crew that will be looking elsewhere for jobs,

This doesn't look good, maybe things have just gone too far for GSM now??

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

http://www.flyglobespan.com/vacancies.asp

Still recruiting in Glasgow.

Sauchiehall Street must be pricey compared to an out of town location.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

I think their long haul expansion was a mistake. They should have stuck with the bread and butter sun routes to Europe and Canaries.

User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5168 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
This comes just a couple of weeks after announcing that STN will also close , along with ABZ.

GSM will not be basing an aircraft over the winter at ABZ, however one will be based next summer once again. So its not exactly a base closure.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2):
I think their long haul expansion was a mistake. They should have stuck with the bread and butter sun routes to Europe and Canaries.

The long-haul expansion was too much too soon. They spread the fleet out too much and tried to operate too many bases at once. Also the decision to send their 767s off to India and lease in some aircraft at the last minute didnt help them! The reliability of the leased aircraft was what caused the problems.

[Edited 2007-09-26 18:35:35]


That'll teach you
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

From 1 B737 in 2003 to 14 B737 3 B757 and 4 B767 in 2007 is too fast IMO.

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2372 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

Talk about scare mongering. There is a full program planned for next summer with alterations to the long haul program. Its always been GSMs philosophy to drop routes that underperform. Use it or lose it and they lost it, albeit partly due to poor reliability. GSM are far from over. Beginning of the end ...indeed. The sorthaul program runs well and is extremely profitable. Also to rember 787s on order and will be in the first group of airlines to get them.

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

They should have concentrated on EDI and GLA. ABZ is possible, but if bmibaby can't make money at MME, what made GSM think they could? I don't see the MME base lasting past next summer.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineMAN23R From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

ive heard they're closing their MAN-CPT route, Thomsonfly might be taking over the route............

User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
maybe things have just gone too far for GSM now??

Yes, but the idea to offer low-cost trans-atlantic flights was just great!
It seems to me, that GSM will change a lot in the future- maybe too late, e.g. the "NEW Economy Class".

Back in the days, I think the service was too complicated... offering different classes on different planes, different a/c configurations etc.!

Back to the basic, what will be GSM's fleet for winter? I am guessing:
both B757 will return to Iceland, B767ER EI-DOF/-DMJ back to NEOS, G-CEOD & G-CEFG for Air India, G-CDPT will stay in fleet for long-haul to Canada/USA...

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
Flyglobespan has just announced it will be permanently closing it's MAN base.

...but the flight to toronto will continue throughout winter. Any chance GSM will re-start the long-haul biz in 2008 from other bases?


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

From the very beginning I said that GSM were spreading themselves too thinly (GLAGAZ will know how much I annoyed him on this)... Looks like now they are beginning to focus on scotland.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

I would not call this the beginning of the end!

I would call this "once bitten, twice shy!"

FlyGlobeSpan tried expanding too soon and too quickly, and are now learning the lesson for themselves after getting their fingers burnt.

It would seem to me they are going back to their grass routes of providing a LCC to Scotland, which is what they orginally started out as... They should still continue Long Haul services, but produce a realistic timetable and have a back up plan when an aircraft goes tech!

I think this is the right decision...

Does this mean LPL-JFK and LPL-YYZ will not continue next year? I hope they do continue, as next year Liverpool will be 2008 European city of culture. So is likely to pull in a lot of international visitors.


User currently offlineComeflywithme From Argentina, joined Sep 2006, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
Looks like now they are beginning to focus on scotland.

Yes, where they should never have ventured from in the first place.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 5):
Use it or lose it and they lost it

I don't blame them for not using it. How can you expect some people on their only holiday of the year earned through hard graft use such an unreliable service.


User currently offlineRickYHM From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6514 times:

Interesting, I have been told that STN is closing because of all of the problems they are having there generated by STN management. They will just do Gatwick.

The have MAN / YHM on sale until 21MAY08.

They apparently told YHM management that they would start their new summer service out of YHM May 1st with three flights per day. They are talking about more non-stop flights apposed to what they did this summer and having the aircraft stop at one or more other destinations. There are rumour going around YHM that Flyglobespan may have as many as 6 flight per day out of YHM

Another rumour is that they are looking to make YHM their North American base.

I know that they are just rumour, but once in a while they turn out to be true.

Flyglobespan was very happy with YHM this summer (not a rumour). The planes went out almost full-to-full. Way more than they expected! Their cost of operating out of YHM was about a ¼ of what it would have been out of YYZ. YHM is expanding the departure area by 800 passenger, more ramp area especially around the international area and more improvements/expansion of the international arrivals/customs area based on what they where told by Flyglobespan plans for the summer of 2008.

It seems like when an airlines has problems, people start talking about their demise.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2):
I think their long haul expansion was a mistake.

I dont think it was the long haul, just the pace of it. Their SFB operation did fine last year

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 4):
From 1 B737 in 2003 to 14 B737 3 B757 and 4 B767 in 2007 is too fast IMO.

Part of the problem as far as long haul is concerned was that they had to replace the entire Air Transat programme for Globespan Holidays. Maybe they needed to try and subcontract some of that work out to someone like TCX or MYT as happens with Canadian Affair (now owned by Air Transat). LPL-JFK as well didnt help matters

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 3):
Also the decision to send their 767s off to India and lease in some aircraft at the last minute didnt help them!

Bet the money was nice though

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 3):
The reliability of the leased aircraft was what caused the problems.

Bad planning to a certain extent. GSM shouldnt have released their long haul programe until they had secured reliable aircraft to perform it. Though to be fair to them they had a lot of bad luck as well

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 6):
I don't see the MME base lasting past next summer.

Hope that isnt the case. They've got a chance to build a nice little niche base with little direct competition.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10):
Does this mean LPL-JFK and LPL-YYZ will not continue next year?

LPL-JFK is almost certainly gone. GSM's reputation is s**t (to be blunt) in the LPL market. Also didnt helpm they couldnt offer any onward connections at JFK. LPL-YHM maybe able to survive with the support of Globespan's long standing Canadian passengers.

Will be interesting to see GSM's Canadian operation next summer. STN is probbaly gone. Hopefully most of the regional flights will continue. Maybe frequency reduction on MAN and GLA-YHM. And I qwonder if YYC/YVR will continue

I think GSM, are doing the right thing now - they need to contract, regroup and let things settle down. They've made a cock up of a lot of routes and need to refocus on what they are good at. Then, once they have improved their reputation, look at expanding again



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User currently offlineJwb2 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Yes GSM haven't had the best of years have they. Liveing close to LPL I had so much hope in GSM and was excited about the new JFK service and also Toronto. I think it was that they expanded too quickly and a cause of bad management.

User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Anyone know where this is sourced?

Chris



Don't try to keep up with the Joneses - bring them down to your level !
User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

PS just looked at their website for situations vacant. They are not recruiting any cabin crew , but do have a vacancies for their busy land and coaching operations !


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User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

The most interesting question is what repeat business they will get, given their much damaged reputation due to delay and cancellation this year.

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
Hope that isnt the case. They've got a chance to build a nice little niche base with little direct competition.

Apart from easyJet at NCL and Jet2 at NCL and LBA  Wink



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

I've heard that MAN-CPT is not going ahead also, which is a shame as it was a good route for MAN and globespan.

I came across this which is rather worrying though, especially being referred to as "fireball" by the engineers!

http://www.cabincrew.com/ccnetwork/forum_posts.asp?TID=25720


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 19):
I've heard that MAN-CPT is not going ahead also, which is a shame as it was a good route for MAN and globespan.

Blaming it on the South African authorities, but poor sales were as much to blame



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Bit off topic, but does anyone know why one of their planes (767 i believe) was in AKL on 09 Sept?


Al Gore invented global warming.
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 21):
Bit off topic, but does anyone know why one of their planes (767 i believe) was in AKL on 09 Sept?

Pre-delivery from Air New Zealand



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12221 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5567 times:
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Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 4):
and 4 B767 in 2007 is too fast IMO.

Another B763 has just recently joined their fleet, ex NZ

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 21):
Bit off topic, but does anyone know why one of their planes (767 i believe) was in AKL on 09 Sept?

Ex NZ B763ER about to depart for its new career


User currently offlineBHD From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4978 times:

For whats it worth I travelled on GSM from BFS-SFB this summer and service and exerpience was fantastic.

W


25 ChrisNH : I hope this is a wake-up call for other small carriers seeing sugar plums dancing before them when Open Skies becomes reality. A critical mass of airc
26 RickYHM : In the Hamilton/Toronto area there has been relatively little news about the problems with Flyglobespan in the past 2 or 3 months. Other than the pro
27 Post contains links Dstc47 : Plenty mainly very negative comments in UK & Ireland. Have a look at the tone of comments on http://www.airlinequality.com/
28 Mattfalcus : It wasn't that bmibaby couldn't make money at MME, it was that the new boss wanted to expand his home airport of BHX, which is where the planes went.
29 Post contains images GLAGAZ : I don't recall this I will always defend GSM when it comes to threads like this as they are the only airline to try and be a Scottish national carrie
30 FCAFLYBOY : here's to hoping, i'd heard they will focus on LGW now, is that true?
31 Gkirk : Hope not. They should concentrate on GLA and EDI. With a smaller summer presence at ABZ. Globespan should also stop all these flights to YHM and brin
32 Gooner : Why would TS need to have anything to do with Globespan being they now own Canadian Affair ?
33 Post contains images Gkirk : Whoops Perhaps someone like Skyservice then
34 Gooner : I wasn't trying to be sarcastic I was just trying to make a pertinant point
35 FCAFLYBOY : Skyservice should be busy enough with their own routes, one would hope!!
36 Shuggie : We have a company policy that no employee is allowed to fly with FlyGlobespan on a business related flight, despite them being one of the few airline
37 Bmi330 : flyglobespan should have maid GLA and EDI there focus first filling in the european gaps EZY now have started to fill and then started kicking out the
38 Shuggie : I'm not sure about that. EDI handles more passengers than GLA but a very high percentage of that traffic is domestic, mostly London. GLA has much mor
39 Gkirk : GSM have now cancelled flights to YHM over the winter. Last flights seem to be in November
40 BestWestern : All flights? Even Manc? I also see that All irish routes (DUB, SNN, NOC) are pulled for the winter. I understand that the NOC loads didnt live up to
41 Jmc757 : That's the excuse they gave in 1996 when the Globespan management drove Excalibur to the wall. The leased aircraft weren't great, but the writing was
42 Gkirk : Yup. Only GLA-SFB and GLA-BFS-SFB tx over winter
43 Boeing74741R : GSM can't go wrong with that surely! 757s are to go back to the lessor anyway, but retiring the 733s would be a good move - gives them an all 737NG f
44 GCDEG : Not quite true. All flights that went through Knock left full or near full to the US. You would think wouldn't you but nothing would surprise me. No
45 Humberside : Also EDI-LPA/ACE become year riound for the first time, and its ABZ-AGP's first summer of operation (route doesnt start until this winter)
46 BY738 : Single long haul ops from GLA to SFB with no back up aircraft.......I suspect the problems will continue over the winter, although if its not a daily
47 Rdwootty : It was amazing that they have flown during the summer. All my clients have come back with horror stories. ie. 1 yes 1 checkin staff member at Hamilton
48 BY188B : a reasonable question here, if the above was true, then why has Globespan steadily increased its long haul fleet to 3 x 767? The 767's must be making
49 GCDEG : Oh absolutely the 767's that are in India are making money but when you take into account the amount of expenditure that has happened on longhaul thi
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