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Delta To Malaga In 2008!  
User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7309 times:
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Hi all,

According an official announcement of Delta Airlines, the US airline will connect from June 2008. The timetables will be the next:

DL162 JFK-AGP 17:05 07:00+1 (Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday)
DL163 AGP-JFK 09:30 11:50 (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday)

The equipment will be Boeing 757-200ER.

Malaga will be the third Spanish city to be served by the US airline after Madrid and Barcelona.

Interesting news. Has anyone heard anything about the rumour of CO to start services to PMI and AGP?

What's your opinion? Will be a profitable route?

Regards,

Gerard


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User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7297 times:

Will it be seasonal?

Regards,


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26152 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7221 times:

There is a master thread with all of DLs announced expansion today. Probably be more appropriate to discuss there
DL JFK Announcements Tomorrow (by Positiverate Sep 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7104 times:

Way to go!

I'd say that VLC is the next Spanish city to get a NYC service.

BBADXB  sun 


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6987 times:
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Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
There is a master thread with all of DLs announced expansion today. Probably be more appropriate to discuss there

Sorry!

I didn't saw this post when I wrote mine.

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 3):
Way to go!

I'd say that VLC is the next Spanish city to get a NYC service.

My bet is for BIO or PMI...



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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
The equipment will be Boeing 757-200ER

For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS.



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User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5):
For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS.

757-200ER is how Delta differentiates the 752s with ETOPS from their 752s without the ETOPS.


User currently offlineSWALUVFA From United States of America, joined May 2002, 277 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Quoting Skibum9

"For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS."


For the sake of this topic........Who the f**k cares?


User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Again, will it be seasonal? also, will DL have businesselite on their transatlantic 752s?

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2222 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 8):
Again, will it be seasonal? also, will DL have businesselite on their transatlantic 752s?

No idea on the seasonality. Will probably depend on how well it performs during the summer. Malaga will have businesselite equipped 757s.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
Has anyone heard anything about the rumour of CO to start services to PMI and AGP?

What's your opinion? Will be a profitable route?

Loads might be OK, yields I'm not quite sure, filling a 4xweekly 752 should be achievable, specially without competition. The issue will be the loads upfront since AGP is a leisure route. I'd assume that americans coming to AGP area for vacation are the wealthy ones.

IMO, it'd be the wrong decision from CO to start serve AGP after DL gets established there, they should look elsewhere or at least wait to see how DL's performs at the beginning.

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 3):
I'd say that VLC is the next Spanish city to get a NYC service.

The opening of new stations in Spain for US's nonstops will be heavily determined on how DL's perform on this one. If they succeed on AGP my guesses are PMI or VLC to be the next ones.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Internally, we call the ETOPS 757s "757ER" aircraft. They have an HDG installed as far as flight deck operations, and will all be converted to an international biz class interior in time. There are additional differences in regards to emergency exit doors...

The newest plane awaiting conversion is sitting in AA colors still at the TOC.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4976 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6275 times:
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Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 10):
Loads might be OK, yields I'm not quite sure, filling a 4xweekly 752 should be achievable, specially without competition. The issue will be the loads upfront since AGP is a leisure route. I'd assume that americans coming to AGP area for vacation are the wealthy ones.

I believe AGP has some kind of subsidy (or financial support) going with the JFK route (much like when DL started JFK-PSA).


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Malaga? Oh dear, what's next? Blackpool.  Wink


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User currently offlineStationManager From Spain, joined Sep 2006, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 4):
My bet is for BIO or PMI...



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 10):
The opening of new stations in Spain for US's nonstops will be heavily determined on how DL's perform on this one. If they succeed on AGP my guesses are PMI or VLC to be the next ones.

SVQ would be the next. SVQ and AGP are the most interesting airports for US airlines by far.

Then PMI, ALC, VLC, LPA, BIO, ...


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5227 times:

In 1987 i flew an IB 747 from AGP to JFK...

Those were the days


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5227 times:

 checkmark  Yet ANOTHER city to check off. At this rate, in a few years we're not going to be able to expand anymore!

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Having been a regular visitor of the Costa del Sol for the last 25 years (our family owns an appartment down there, so it is pretty easy and cheap to fly there for a couple of days every once in a while), I am not so sure if this gamble will pay off. While the region has enjoyed a tremendous population growth during the last 15 or 20 years and despite the economic expansion in the region, there is hardly any large business base in the Malaga area with strong ties to North America. Most of the businesses in the area are still small- and mid-scale enterprises. Granted, there are quite a few very exclusive and expensive properties especially in the west of Malaga towards Gibralter, but only a very small minority of these is owned by North Americans.

Thus, while I am sure that the aircraft will be packed in "Peasant Class" both by Spanish and American passengers, I am not so sure about the front part of the cabin. On the other hand, DL has been operating continuously to NCE - which is another market in a leisure-dominated region with some premium demand - for quite some years, and that route seems to be working handsomely.

[Edited 2007-10-09 23:12:22]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 16):
Yet ANOTHER city to check off. At this rate, in a few years we're not going to be able to expand anymore!

You can always connect the dots  Wink . JFK-MUC, ATL-BOM, there's still a lot of potential routes even if the city isn't new.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 17):
On the other hand, DL has been operating continuously to NCE - which is another market in a leisure-dominated region with some premium demand - for quite some years, and that route seems to be working handsomely.

NCE has much more high-yield customers than Malaga. There is actually quite some High-Tech industry in the Alpes Maritimes,drawing US cliéntéle. I agree that Malaga is a risky choice for Delta - so far the US tourists have rather chosen the Caribes for sun ,beach and palm holidays.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5):
For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS.

Yes there is. Delta AND British Airways refer to some of their 757-200s as "ERs" - I suppose all of the experts there in fleet planning don't know what they're talking about eh?

Can it.


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

A thread was started on 9/27 which announced DL's new routes. The Malaga route was mentioned in the thread-starter.

We've had a couple of threads removed as duplicates because they were announcing DL routes that were already covered in that 9/27 thread.

Rather than deleting this thread, I'm going to lock it so that the posts will remain for reference. But please move the conversation back over to the original thread, which is:

Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times (by B777ER Sep 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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