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Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times  
User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9184 times:

Here is a summary of DL's new Intl. routes to Europe, Middle East and Africaand beginning dates for 2008.

1)ATL-PVD(Shanghai):
Starts March 30, 2008: DL 19 ATL 10:15am PVG 1:55pm+
Starts March 31, 2008: DL 18 PVG 3:55pm ATL 6:35pm

EQP: 777-200ER (the aircraft that are being pulled off the JFK-BOM route. JFK-BOM will be operated with the new 777-200LR's entering in the fleet)


2)ATL-ARN(Stockholm):
Starts June 4, 2008: DL 172 ATL 8.20 p.m. ARN 11.35(next day), daily except Mondays
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 173 ART 1:35p.m. ATL 5:30p.m., daily except Tuesdays

EQP: 763ER


3)JFK-TLV(Tel Aviv, Israel):
Starts March 10, 2008: DL 86 JFK 9:10p.m. TLV 1:55p.m. (next day)
Starts March 12, 2008: DL 87 TLV 12:20p.m. JFK 7:00a.m.

EQP: 763ER

Notes: Interesting to note the aircraft will be parked at TLV for 10hr 25min before the return to JFK.

4)JFK-EDI (Edinburgh, Scotland):
Starts May 1, 2008: DL 96 JFK 8:05p.m. EDI 8:10a.m (next day)
Starts May 2, 2008: DL 97 EDI 9:40a.m. JFK 12:15p.m.

EQP: 752ER

5)JFK-DKR(Dakar, Senegal):
Starts June 2, 2008: DL 128 JFK 3:50p.m. DKR 4:05a.m. (next day)
Starts June 4, 2008: DL 219 DKR 2:05a.m. JFK 6:15a.m.

EQP: 763ER

6)JFK-NBO (Nairobi, Kenya)
Starts June 2, 2008: DL 128 JFK 3:50p.m. (via DKR) NBO 4:50p.m. (next day)
Starts June 3, 2008: DL 219 NBO 7:30p.m. (via DKR) JFK 6:15a.m. (next day)

EQP: 763ER

Notes: The inbound to NBO from JFK arrives in DKR at 4:05a.m. and departs DKR at 5:40a.m. for NBO.
The outbound from NBO to JFK arrives in DKR at 12:35a.m. and departs DKR at 2:05a.m.
The outbound from NBO to DKR will operate at DL 229 and switch to DL 219 for DKR-JFK.
Total ground time at NBO is 7hr 45min.
The ATL-DKR flight arrives into DKR at 4:39a.m. departing for JNB at 5:54a.m. so there will be two DL 763's on the ground at DKR at the same time.

7)JFK-CAI (Cairo, Egypt)
Starts June 4, 2008: DL 10 JFK 4:20p.m. CAI 10:35a.m.(next day)
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 9 CAI 12:30p.m. JFK 5:40p.m.

EQP: 763ER

8)JFK-AGP (Malaga, Spain)
Starts June 4, 2008: DL162 JFK 5:05p.m. AGP 07:00(next day) (Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday)
Starts June 5, 2008: DL163 AGP 9:30a.m. JFK 11:50a.m. (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday)

EQP: 752ER

9)JFK-AMM (Amman, Jordan)
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 26 JFK 4:20p.m. AMM 10:00a.m. (next day)
Starts June 6, 2008: DL 23 12:00p.m. JFK 6:35p.m.

EQP: 763ER

10)JFK-LOS (Lagos, Nigeria)
Starts June 9, 2008: DL 142 JFK 6:40p.m. LOS 11:05a.m. (next day)
Starts June 10, 2008: DL 143 LOS 12:50p.m JFK 6:35p.m.

EQP: 763ER

11)JFK-CPT (via DKR) Starts June 2, 2008 subject to DOT approval.

[Edited 2007-09-26 21:45:26]

[Edited 2007-09-26 21:46:06]

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User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
EQP: 752ER

I have never heard of this before. Do you mean a 757-200 with winglets


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Yes, they are 757 ETOPs approved. They have a range of 400nm more than the rest of the fleet.

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Quoting Meta (Reply 1):
I have never heard of this before

Dont be pedantic- you know what is meant.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8894 times:

Quoting Meta (Reply 1):
Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
EQP: 752ER

I have never heard of this before. Do you mean a 757-200 with winglets

There was no official 757ER as in the conventional sense of having extra fuel capacity. Some people inaccurately refer to ETOPS 757's as ER's.

Quoting B777ER (Reply 2):
Yes, they are 757 ETOPs approved. They have a range of 400nm more than the rest of the fleet.

A blanket statement like that is inaccurate. Range will be tied to whatever MTOW the aircraft is certified for. At the same weight though an ETOPS 757 will probably have less range than non-ETOPS 757's due to the extra equipment the ETOPS plane is required to carry.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Starts March 12, 2008: DL 87 TLV 12:20p.m. JFK 7:00a.m.

Assume departure time should read 12:20 a.m. not p.m.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Assume departure time should read 12:20 a.m. not p.m

Yes, my error..sorry.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
A blanket statement like that is inaccurate. Range will be tied to whatever MTOW the aircraft is certified for. At the same weight though an ETOPS 757 will probably have less range than non-ETOPS 757's due to the extra equipment the ETOPS plane is required to carry.

Got this from a DL mechanic...guess the guy who works on them must be wrong. You being a student pilot in Oklahoma must have more accurae information.

[Edited 2007-09-26 23:30:34]

User currently offlineGte439u From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Notes: The inbound to NBO from JFK arrives in DKR at 4:05a.m. and departs DKR at 5:40a.m. for NBO.
The outbound from NBO to JFK arrives in DKR at 12:35a.m. and departs DKR at 2:05a.m.
The outbound from NBO to DKR will operate at DL 229 and switch to DL 219 for DKR-JFK.
Total ground time at NBO is 7hr 45min.

Why do you say that the ground time in NBO is 7h 45m?

It appears to be 2h 40m with a 1650 arrival and a 1930 departure, or am I not seeing something here?


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8728 times:
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Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
11)JFK-CPT (via DKR) Starts June 2, 2008 subject to DOT approval.

so, i'm assuming that the JFK-DKR flight continues to NBO 4 days a week and CPT the other 3?



Why are people so against low yields?! If lower yields means more people can travel abroad, i'm all for it
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8721 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
There was no official 757ER as in the conventional sense of having extra fuel capacity. Some people inaccurately refer to ETOPS 757's as ER's.

It's official within Delta. The aircraft are differentiated within the Delta system and in maintenance as "757-200ERs." So, it's far from inaccurate. Again, don't be pedantic. B777ER is right on the money, kid.

[Edited 2007-09-26 23:56:53]

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 8):
so, i'm assuming that the JFK-DKR flight continues to NBO 4 days a week and CPT the other 3?

Or are they going to have three daily to DKR?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8633 times:
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Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 8):
so, i'm assuming that the JFK-DKR flight continues to NBO 4 days a week and CPT the other 3?

Yes. JFK-DKR-NBO on Mon Wed Fri Sat; JFK-DKR-CPT on Tue Thu Sun.

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 7):
It appears to be 2h 40m with a 1650 arrival and a 1930 departure, or am I not seeing something here?

You're correct. NBO turn time is 2h 40min.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 7):
It appears to be 2h 40m with a 1650 arrival and a 1930 departure, or am I not seeing something here?

Yes, again, I aplogize. I had all this written down a paper and got the timing mixed up on this NBO route. Eveything is correct expect its like Gte439u said, a total of 2hr 40m ground time in NBO.


User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
The aircraft are differentiated within the Delta system and in maintenance as "757-200ERs

the 757 with winglets will have a longer range than the 757 without. That makes it an "ER".


Ps............just kidding folks. Don't take it so seriously.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 10):
Or are they going to have three daily to DKR?

No, there will be four Delta planes a day at Dakar. One is coming from Atlanta, the other JFK. One is coming from JNB (764) and the other is coming from NBO or CPT (763). I'm not sure if all four aircraft will be on the ground at the same time, but if they are, it'll make for a great shot!



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):

No, there will be four Delta planes a day at Dakar. One is coming from Atlanta, the other JFK. One is coming from JNB (764) and the other is coming from NBO or CPT (763). I'm not sure if all four aircraft will be on the ground at the same time, but if they are, it'll make for a great shot!

There can't be four on the ground at one time. Delta isn't basing planes in Dakar. The planes are routed ATL-DKR-JNB and JFK-DKR-CPT/NBO. There will be two on the ground at the same time before they continue on to/from JNB/CPT/NBO.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
There can't be four on the ground at one time. Delta isn't basing planes in Dakar. The planes are routed ATL-DKR-JNB and JFK-DKR-CPT/NBO. There will be two on the ground at the same time before they continue on to/from JNB/CPT/NBO.

Isn't also the case that DKR only has like 3 widebody parking spots to begin with? Their apron isn't exactly one of the bigger ones out there, so DL couldn't even have 4 planes on the ground at the same time even if they wanted to.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8527 times:
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Based on currently-published schedules, DKR should look something like this:

DL 229 from NBO arrives 12:35am; leaves for JFK at 2:05am (DL219)
DL 35 from JNB arrives 1:20am; leaves for ATL at 2:35am

2 hours later,

DL 128 from JFK arrives 4:05am; leaves for NBO or CPT at 5:40am
DL 34 from ATL arrives 4:40am; leaves for JNB at 5:55am


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
the 757 with winglets will have a longer range than the 757 without. That makes it an "ER".


Ps............just kidding folks. Don't take it so seriously.

Captain obvious, I'm not understanding what you're kidding about, because you're technically correct to an extent. But the ex-TW birds that Delta is retrofitting with winglets - the "ERs" - have a longer range outright, with or without winglets.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
There can't be four on the ground at one time. Delta isn't basing planes in Dakar. The planes are routed ATL-DKR-JNB and JFK-DKR-CPT/NBO. There will be two on the ground at the same time before they continue on to/from JNB/CPT/NBO.

Yes, but I was also keeping in mind the return flights. Delta will have 4 different flights going through Dakar each day. Apparently there will only be two planes on the ground at the same time twice a day as proven by Panamair.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8294 times:
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all i can say is wow, DL is starting to look more and more like a latter day Pan Am. all they really need to do is rebuild their Asia network, maybe once the 77Ls come on line they can add more asia service. I wish DL the best of luck in building and maintaining this very ambitious network.


Why are people so against low yields?! If lower yields means more people can travel abroad, i'm all for it
User currently offlineFlydl2atl From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

I've read Lisbon is supposed to be launched from Atlanta in March 08. Can anybody confirm?

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
the 757 with winglets will have a longer range than the 757 without. That makes it an "ER".


Ps............just kidding folks. Don't take it so seriously.

no u are right ER mean extended range and adding winglets saves fuel meaning longer flights so it is a ER.



yep.
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Quoting Flydl2atl (Reply 21):



I've read Lisbon is supposed to be launched from Atlanta in March 08. Can anybody confirm?

Where'd ya read that? ATL-LIS would be stretching the 757.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 17):
Based on currently-published schedules, DKR should look something like this:

DL 229 from NBO arrives 12:35am; leaves for JFK at 2:05am (DL219)
DL 35 from JNB arrives 1:20am; leaves for ATL at 2:35am

2 hours later,

DL 128 from JFK arrives 4:05am; leaves for NBO or CPT at 5:40am
DL 34 from ATL arrives 4:40am; leaves for JNB at 5:55am

Will JFK passengers be able to continue on to JNB as well as NBO and CPT and vv for ATL passengers, or will they have to stay on board the aircraft? DKR could become a mini (really mini) DL hub! Also, does DL have 5th freedom rights on all of their routes out of DKR?


25 Dalb777 : That would be really hard to do if one of the flights gets delayed out of ATL or JFK. I don't think it would be worth it for a flight to wait in DKR
26 MAH4546 : Well, that's how it is going to work. It isn't anything new.
27 Post contains links Analog : Does DL really have 12:00pm as a time in their schedule? I thought that was not a "legal" time. You should either specify 11:59 or 12:01 (am or pm) o
28 SESGDL : Huh? I always thought that 12:00PM was 12:00 in the afternoon, as 12:01PM is. 12:00AM is 12:00 midnight. Jeremy
29 MakeMinesLAX : I saw that quote in the document and must admit I'm perplexed. I've always known noon to be 12pm and midnight 12am. Even though noon is immediately p
30 B747forever : Really hopes that this route will go well with DL. Hope they have made the right choose, I think ´they have made a good choose.
31 Runway23 : More interesting are these two arrival times: DL 87 TLV 12:20p.m. JFK 7:00a.m 763 DL 219 DKR 2:05a.m. JFK 6:15a.m 763 Currently the only intl flights
32 B777ER : Yes, that is the correct time. 12:00p.m. as in twelve-noon..start of the lunch hour. And again, I would like to correct my error by saying the TLV de
33 Analog : This is why 12:00 of either kind should never be in a schedule (unless it's using the 24 hour clock, but even then 12:00 is best avoided.) But if you
34 Panamair : Not necessarily...with fuel costs the way they are, sometimes it may be better to have the planes sit than use them on routes that can't really make
35 Okie73 : it does add range, no doubt. But I think the point a lot of other people have been trying to make is that there were no 757s built with a larger fuel
36 UPPERDECKFAN : Sorry for my ignorance, but why is TLV-JFK a redeye and CAI-JFK and AMM-JFK are not? With TLV, CAI and AMM being so close to each other I'm surprised
37 HB-IWC : There is of course the possibility to use at least one of those frames for a daylight Heathrow rotation. We have yet to hear DL's plans for LHR, but
38 HummingBird : What are the loads on flights to JNB. How good are the yields?
39 Post contains images RJAF : Amman? That's a very nice surprise Any idea about frequencies? Wonder what impact this will have on RJ and One World!
40 B747forever : Should be daily because nothing else is stated.
41 ConcordeBoy : Hmmm, since you kiddies can't play nice-- it seems that the master of technical assholery is going to have to get involved. So let's see: Actually, Fu
42 Panamair : JFK-AMM is 4x weekly; departs JFK Mon Wed Thu Sat; AMM-JFK returns Tue Thu Fri Sun. No different than DL serving BUD which is a hub for a OW carrier,
43 B747forever : Oopsss, sorry for my post then. Thought it was a daily service.
44 Ncelhr : I wonder if they might use it as standby for other flights in the part of the world during the time it''s on the ground. Or could it be that it will
45 ATLflyer : How many international 764s does Delta have currently? When will the remaining be converted to international configuration? It sure would be nice to h
46 Icna05e : Could you elaborate please MAH? Is this "hub" operation in DKR already official? I think it would be a great possibility... 3 African destinations fr
47 Skip17 : seems to me that you missed: SLC-CDG starting in june
48 COEI2007 : I'm surprised nothing has been announced ex BOS. I thought a BOS-SNN/DUB was due to start next summer
49 Pfletch1228 : Apparently good. They are also changing from 767-300ER to 767-400ER equipment for the southern hemisphere summer, which also indicates that yields ar
50 UPPERDECKFAN : There is difference, DL served BUD well before the OW hub was established (MA joined OW earlier this year), as did RJ with DTW. BTW, ORD is a OW hub
51 Panamair : Actually with the 767-400ERs, DL will also offer AVOD PTVs at every seat to JNB. There should be another announcement in the near future concerning t
52 B777ER : Probably like their South American flights that arrive in the morning and leave at night...she will be towed to a remote stand for the day and parked
53 Impacto : Is this flight a replacement for the proposed ATL-LOS route, or is it another separate route?
54 AirBuffalo : I found that interesting as well. It turns out that 4 of the 5 TLV-NYC dailys (LY, CO, and the new DL flight included) are red eyes (additionally, LY
55 United787 : Where are all of these 763's coming from? I wish UA would look at adding some of these destinations from IAD. It seems as though many of these routes,
56 Evan767 : This is in addition to ATL.
57 STT757 : 757s are replacing 767-300s on many JFK-Western Europe routes, such as AMS, BRU, FRA etc..
58 Panamair : It's in addition to ATL-LOS, which is starting this December. By next summer, DL should have double daily service to LOS. Combination of ex-TW/AA 752
59 Okie73 : fair enough. But I would be willing to bet the actual tanks are physically the same size. Something in the plumbing or pumps, etc, inside the tank wa
60 Frostbite : Not in the flow of the current discussion, but I was curious as to whether DL intends to offer online connections at DKR between the ATL-JNB and JFK-N
61 ConcordeBoy : Perhaps. I couldn't tell ya. Though, curiously, it doesn't appear to have anything to do with engine option, but rather with assigned MTOW at the tim
62 Okie73 : I wonder if it's simply a certification issue? I was talking with a Delta pilot who flies the 777, and he said the 777LR has the same tank as the cur
63 Flydl2atl : If you read the wikipedia entry for the lisbon airport someone has listed Delta as flying there from ATL with service starting in March '08. You can
64 CB777 : I read in a croatian newspaper also heard on croatian news that DL is going to start ZAG in 2008 can anyone from DL confirm this, or is this just anot
65 ConcordeBoy : ...no, it's 3458nm
66 Flydl2atl : My bad...I was using statute miles instead of nautical miles.
67 B777ER : Just another rumor for now.
68 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Again, couldn't tell ya. Maybe ya should start a tech post about it? Do know, however, that the 772LR does indeed have more wing-fuel storage than th
69 SkyyMaster : Given that it seems a certainty that by next summer the FAA is going to place some sort of cap of the number of operations from JFK (assuming no compr
70 Itsnotfinals : TLV does not have 24 hour a day security for every flight. Due to the extra heavy security the TLV airport does not staff all security at all times.
71 2travel2know : It's a bold move by DL to increase its African flights, but I ask myself how many passengers would enjoy to change DL planes at those lousy hours in
72 Hush-kit : folks, would be interesting what flight-path this will be...propably with unscheduled refueling stops in the wintertime, at least on the westbound fl
73 MAH4546 : No. This flight is easily within the 757ERs range. Easily.
74 Flymad : Well cetainly on the days when the JNB-ATL and CPT-JFK flight are in both aircraft will be on the ground at the same time to allow passengers from CP
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