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New DFW Service Announcement  
User currently offlineFWFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12494 times:

Apparently DFW is planning on announcing new international service on Thursday. The mayors of both Fort Worth and Dallas are planning to be there, so it sounds big.

http://startelegram.typepad.com/sky_talk/2007/09/what-could-it-b.html

Any thoughts on what it might be?

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12471 times:

I'm guessing somewhere in Latin/South America. I'd love to see AF return, or get an Asian carrier in here, but I'm doubtful that will happen.

Or maybe QF will announce the long-awaited DFW-SYD service?



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12407 times:

I would have liked if it was Aer Lingus from DUB but they have just said they wont be announcing any new routes until October 2008 which is a shame.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33077 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12344 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
I would have liked if it was Aer Lingus from DUB but they have just said they wont be announcing any new routes until October 2008 which is a shame.

Aer Lingus is freeing up an A330 from Dubai for summer to be used on US expansion. Miami, Dallas, and Philadelphia are the three cities being looked at, or they might just expand in a current market.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12316 times:

Hmm... this is exciting for DFW! The question is will this service be on AA or another carrier?


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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12248 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Aer Lingus is freeing up an A330 from Dubai for summer to be used on US expansion. Miami, Dallas, and Philadelphia are the three cities being looked at, or they might just expand in a current market.

They have already planned on adding capacity to SFO/IAD so many of us thought more aircraft would arrive but now the commercial director, Enda Corneille has said new route launches were "unlikely" before October 2008.

So if Aer Lingus does axe its Dubai route next summer, that capacity is likely to be used to increase the frequencies on existing US routes (SFO), rather than to create new ones.

In 2009 the first of the new A333s arrive so DFW will probably be announced then along with the other cities they have been looking at.


User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12199 times:

Quoting FWFlyer (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on what it might be?

Most likely Jade Cargo starting DFW service next month. It will be a Shenzhen-Shanghai-Portland-Dallas v.v.-flown with 747-400ERF's.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12156 times:

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 6):
Most likely Jade Cargo starting DFW service next month. It will be a Shenzhen-Shanghai-Portland-Dallas v.v.-flown with 747-400ERF's.

Is this new service for passenger or cargo service?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33077 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12129 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 6):
Most likely Jade Cargo starting DFW service next month. It will be a Shenzhen-Shanghai-Portland-Dallas v.v.-flown with 747-400ERF's.

Is this new service for passenger or cargo service?

Cargo.



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12129 times:

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 6):
Most likely Jade Cargo starting DFW service next month. It will be a Shenzhen-Shanghai-Portland-Dallas v.v.-flown with 747-400ERF's.

According to the Star-Telegram blog, the announcement will be made in Terminal D and is drawing the mayors of both Fort Worth and Dallas. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing (maybe a bit too hopefully) that it's (a) a new passenger destination, and (b) a new carrier.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33077 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12074 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 9):
According to the Star-Telegram blog, the announcement will be made in Terminal D and is drawing the mayors of both Fort Worth and Dallas. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing (maybe a bit too hopefully) that it's (a) a new passenger destination, and (b) a new carrier.

I think it's safe to say that it's not AA. If it was, it would have likely been leaked here already. AA is planning Dallas-Madrid, but not for this summer.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4006 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12074 times:

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 6):
Most likely Jade Cargo starting DFW service next month. It will be a Shenzhen-Shanghai-Portland-Dallas v.v.-flown with 747-400ERF's.

Perhaps, but I don't think that there would be this much excitement to the point of dragging the Mayors of 2 major cities from their busy schedules to announce a new cargo route.

Perhaps EK had a change of heart and like Jade decided to leave IAH at the alter  cheeky   duck 

Thomas



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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12021 times:

Today they have big cranes changing the signs that have all the airline logos. I looked to see what logo they were changing, but couldn't tell as I drove by at 60mph. If that sign change is related, then it would be a passenger airline, because this is just for passenger carriers. I'll drive by again later and see if I can tell.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4006 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12015 times:

Just had a bad thought (at least for us IAH'ers), what if it's AI? IAH has been chasing this carrier for 20 years, and the last couple of years AI has been pitting IAH against DFW. I would hate to see all of IAH/HAS's hard work go down the tubes.

There was a thread regarding IB's plan to expand to another US gateway.

Thomas

[Edited 2007-09-26 23:51:06]


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User currently offlineFWFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11862 times:

I'm hearing rumors now that it might be a new KLM flight from DFW to AMS beginning this fall.

User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11580 times:

If the ceremony is in terminal D, then I'm betting against cargo. Besides, we've known about Jade and Shanghai Cargo for a few months. The fact that there is a ceremony involving mayors also seems to rule out AA and other established carriers. Very exciting stuff, as I've been craving new airlines here for the longest time, especially major international players, as we only see BA, LH, and KE (mexicanadian airlines excepted). Could be a lot of airlines really, I guess it depends on who has the aircraft available. BTW, when would these flights start? A few months at least, I'm sure, but hopefully not next summer or fall. The holy grail here would be someone with pax 747s, as we currently get none. Thank god I only have to wait until tomorrow to find out, or tonight if the new signs are a giveaway.


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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 868 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11516 times:

Quoting DFW13L (Reply 12):
Today they have big cranes changing the signs that have all the airline logos. I looked to see what logo they were changing, but couldn't tell as I drove by at 60mph. If that sign change is related, then it would be a passenger airline, because this is just for passenger carriers. I'll drive by again later and see if I can tell.

They have been working all week on changing the signs up and down International Parkway. Terminal A no longer shows the Eagle logo, and the empty positions were filled with the DFW logo. Terminal B saw some additions of airport services signs and the USO logo. Terminal C was treated similar to A. And Terminal E saw some rearranging, including the new Delta logo, New Northwest sign, and other improvements.

Ryan



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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11406 times:

KLM to AMS with daily 777


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11392 times:

Well, if both mayors are showing up, I'm guessing it's not going to be the return of BFL...  cry 

My guess would be new international service from AA. LH has enough O&D from Germany to have a flight to DFW, but a SkyTeam flight? We know how AA reacts when a new carrier tries to enter this market...



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User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11368 times:

How about the chances of Virgin America/Atlantic. This press release is old, but I would assume the intentions haven't changed.

http://www.dfwairport.com/mediasite/...df/06/01/060112-virgin-america.pdf



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User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11350 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 18):
but a SkyTeam flight? We know how AA reacts when a new carrier tries to enter this market...

Air France was here until the 9-11 market downturn. They or their partner KLM wouldn't be anything new to AA really.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11310 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 18):
We know how AA reacts when a new carrier tries to enter this market...

AA's nuke strategy only goes into effect when a low fare carrier steps in. They haven't used it on a major carrier in recent times.

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 19):
How about the chances of Virgin America/Atlantic. This press release is old, but I would assume the intentions haven't changed.

You would see the nuke option if Virgin America uttered Dallas.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
I think it's safe to say that it's not AA. If it was, it would have likely been leaked here already. AA is planning Dallas-Madrid, but not for this summer.

DFW-PTY wasn't leaked here until the day before. It might be another such route to Central America.

Though you are right, I'd be surprised to see American add anything new.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33077 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11161 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 21):

DFW-PTY wasn't leaked here until the day before.

It was actually leaked about a week before, just hidden in another thread. One reason AA route's "leak" so easily is because AA always puts new routes into reservation systems before they are announced, and sometimes they will be in reservation system for 2-3 weeks before any public announcement.

[Edited 2007-09-27 05:43:35]


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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

Okay so what do we think it's going to be? KL to AMS doesn't seem all that likely to me. And if they came wouldn't it be a 763, as they only bring a 763 to ATL and it has one or two (ha) Skyteam connections. QF to SYD would be great but aren't they STILL going back and forth on buying new aircraft? IB would make sense but it sounds like AA is going to do any expanding to Madrid if it ever happens. EI, not sure but it sounds like they're a ways away from expanding and DFW probably wouldn't be the first destination, either.

I agree that it sounds like a pretty big deal if the mayors of both D and FW are going to be out there, so probably not another Asian cargo carrier, either.

So what is it going to be? What about Eva from Taipei? I haven't heard anything about this route but they're linked up with AA and it's not one of the fought-over China flights. Just a thought...


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11058 times:

Quoting Bartond (Reply 23):
And if they came wouldn't it be a 763, as they only bring a 763 to ATL and it has one or two (ha) Skyteam connections

I saw an A330 of KLM at ATL a couple of weeks back when I was on transit there. The 763s I think are gone now.

I wonder if this is going to be AF making a come back or perhaps Cathay? Wasn't it rumored before that AF would restart DFW?



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25 Pbb152 : The DFW bigwigs were supposed to meet with reps from China Eastern last week to discuss pax service to DFW from PVG. Highly unlike they would announce
26 LACA773 : I feel it's safe to say it's a carrier in the OneWorld group. A OneWorld member will have a better chance at success in DFW than a carrier from Star A
27 DFW13L : Thinking about KLM...AA doesn't serve AMS at all, so there's a possibility they could serve DFW with impunity from AA! There's a big Skyteam (Delta) c
28 Post contains images Gkirk : Perhaps it's just something trivial like announcing flights to Heathrow iso Gatwick
29 MAH4546 : Both American and British Airways have made their "Dallas to Heathrow" announcements.
30 Tjwgrr : JL - NRT CX - HKG QF - SYD LA - SCL RJ - AMM
31 LACA773 : One important one that hasn't been mentioned is One World partner, Iberia. I see IB starting service MAD-DFW over the other partners mentioned here.
32 Tjwgrr : Oops. My Bad. Missed that one.
33 Gemuser : Not until they get serious A380 & B787 deliveries, say 2009/2010. At the moment they are so short of wide bodies that they will be using an A332 AKL-
34 Azncsa4qf744er : LOL!!!! Give that hope up already. QF SYD-DFW route won't be appearing on DFW's airport horizon anytime soon.
35 Post contains images AAtakeMeAway : Hi Mark, This is off topic, but since you mentioned it, do you foresee this rumored route being flown with a 772 or a 763 ?
36 ZuluLima : Not to mention the range involved. I know they want to serve DFW, but the reason they haven't is because the planes aren't available. I guess the mos
37 AFC_Ajax00 : It could be KL, I know some KL executives were in DFW a few weeks ago...
38 Legend500 : The guys at Belo's aviation blog are betting BA MAN-DFW, "a Chinese airline" PVG-DFW or BJS-DFW, AF CDG-DFW or LH MUC-DFW.
39 ElmoTheHobo : It'll be a 763, the only Madrid route that the 777 will ever be on with AA is Miami-Madrid, and that is because of ATI with Iberia and the enormous m
40 Pbb152 : Emirates switching from IAH is absolutely not going to happen. I don't think Thomas was being serious about that. EK will clean up on the DXB-IAH rou
41 LAXdude1023 : My first reaction would be to say that it will be a OneWorld Partner, but I started thinking, is there any OneWorld partner that would start service t
42 ElmoTheHobo : Qantas wants to serve Dallas, they've been talking about it since 2002 when they signed their joint service agreement / joint venture with American.
43 Aaway : Officials representing DFW and MU have conducted meetings over the past couple of years. It appears the two sides have established a cordial relation
44 LAXdude1023 : I think so too. My money is still on KLM. I dont think AF could make it there since AA flies DFW-CDG. But since there isnt any AMS service from DFW,
45 Post contains images Mikey711MN : Maybe it'll be NW (DFW-AMS or DFW-NRT) in response to AE's expansion of LGA-(Heartland). Tongue firmly in cheek, -Mike
46 BigGSFO : Maybe JAL will come back and AA can reduce DFW-NRT to 1X (code share with JAL on their non-stop). DFW still gets 2 dailies to Tokyo and AA frees up 2
47 LAXdude1023 : I thought about this too. I think if someone was going to operate DFW-AMS, it would be KL though.
48 Post contains links BlueFlyer : You guys are jetheads http://startelegram.typepad.com/sky_talk/2007/09/speculation-gro.html 4 CST
49 Bartond : You make a good point, but would AA step aside on this route and allow JAL to come in like that? Doesn't sound like something AA would allow, but you
50 WA707atMSP : The 4 PM announcement time might be a clue about where the airline adding service is from. Most announcements are in the morning - the only reason I c
51 Jr : Looks like it is not AF. KLM might just be it if it is not in direct competition with AA.
52 Ssides : I'm afraid of that, too, but something tells me that such a minor addition wouldn't draw out the mayors. Then again, maybe it's a slow day. I'm start
53 Mikey711MN : Intriguing thought, and certainly seems reasonable. Sort of off topic, do you think that the China route selections might generate a bit of a string
54 FWFlyer : Maybe, but I suspect that the time has more to do with DFW trying to maximize local TV coverage of the announcement. The Dallas stations can do live
55 JCS17 : My money is on KL with 332 to AMS.
56 Ssides : If that's the case, it's almost definitely more than a new short-hop to Mexico or cargo service. I'm betting KLM to AMS, or a new Asian destination.
57 Jr : It has to be one of those two. I would tend to lean on KL as thats a route with no competition with a good deal of onward connection possibilities ou
58 ModernArt : Sorry but alliances are overrated. If there's a business sense for KLM service to the Metroplex (which there certainly is with more than 4+ million p
59 Post contains links Ssides : Actually just exceeded 6 million, per census updates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas/Fort_Worth_Metroplex
60 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : And its the fourth largest MSA in the USA after Chicago. DFW has more people than does ATL, and yet doesnt have near the international service. http:
61 MAH4546 : No need to wonder. The answer is no. I bet it's KLM or a Chinese airline.
62 102IAHexpress : How about Air Canada Jazz?
63 JCS17 : Zurich was very profitable for AA during the LX/AA codeshare days because of the AA-coded connections from ZRH. Since AA didn't (and still won't have
64 LAXdude1023 : I highly doubt that they would be making such a big deal over Air Canada Jazz. Especially since DFW already has AC. I think so too. My money is on KL
65 Dolphinflyer : Don't forget - a DFW-AMS service wouldn't necessarily need to be flown by KL. I wouldn't at all be surprised to hear that it's NW providing the servi
66 102IAHexpress : Seems like aNeters are the only ones making big deal about it. Not a whole lot form the Dallas media about a "big" annoucement today. When AA applied
67 Longhornmaniac : The premise is certainly there, but the profitability certainly is not. Consider, that flight would be relying on ONLY O&D on the US end, and KL feed
68 LAXdude1023 : But DFW already has AC and they used to have Jazz. Why would there be any cause for any kind of press conference for AC Jazz comeing back?
69 PExDCA : How about additional Frontier Airlines service to Mexico?
70 LawnDart : DFW International Airport to Get the Royal Dutch Treatment with New KLM Service to Amsterdam Thursday September 27, 5:00 pm ET New international airli
71 Post contains links Mikey711MN : Nothing new in the DFW airport website PR folder for September...yet. (sheesh, you think they'd have closed that off for viewing directory contents!)
72 LAXdude1023 : Haha, I knew it!!!
73 ZuluLima : 1X KLM A330 daily starting March 08. Confirmed by fellow a.netter at the event! Arrgh, you beat me to it. Still, great news, our first A330 service in
74 Travelin man : I'll play. How about EI to DUB? I know they're not OneWorld any more, but they are still frequent flyer partners. Longshot, but still....
75 Mikey711MN : No, but apparently they can get KLM to think so. And surely they'll tack their NW code on it!
76 Jr : One world would primarily rely on getting people from and through DFW to terminate at AMS, while NW/KL would take people predominantly originating in
77 Sbworcs : Sounds good to me - would definitely be good to connect my home airport easily with DFW without using LHR!!! BHX-AMS-DFW - might have to book!
78 MaverickM11 : Why would a KL flight work when an AF flight failed?
79 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : Oh, I"m sure they will! The more I thought about it, the more the situations are the same. I suppose what I was thinking was that I didn't think that
80 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : When did AF fly DFW-AMS?? (not being sarcastic, did they really?) If you're talking about DFW-CDG, I'd suspect AA had something to do with it. Howeve
81 Post contains links ZuluLima : In addition to what Longhornmaniac said, because the airline industry has rebounded since the 9-11 recession which caused AF to pull out. More info h
82 Ssides : AF pulled out of DFW right after 9/11 because (a) they knew traffic was going to be hit hard by the impending downturn, and (b) AA already had a sign
83 PanAm747 : Well, congratulations to KLM and Amsterdam for getting DFW!! I hope it turns out to be successful. And now the cynic in me has to ask - how long until
84 Post contains links and images Mikey711MN : This has me chuckling...here is the press release. See if you can spot some interesting plugs... KLM Royal Dutch Airlines to Launch Nonstop Dallas-For
85 102IAHexpress : Congrats to DFW. I hope KL does well up in North Texas.
86 ZuluLima : According to a KLM official at the meeting, a 777 may be substituted on high density days, otherwise A332s. Photos of ceremony will follow from a fell
87 ModernArt : People (average travelers, small businesses) are not married to alliances like so many on a.net seem to think. Dallas/Ft. Worth is a huge standalone
88 PSU.DTW.SCE : 1) AA announces LGA-MSP (AA mainline MD-80) 2) NW announces DFW-LGA (NW mainline A319) 3) AA announces FNT-LGA (Eagle ERJ-135) 4) NW drops DFW-LGA bef
89 MAH4546 : It sure does, even though I'd venture to guess they are unrelated. Amsterdam is one of the routes that AA is looking at launching from JFK this summe
90 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : Mikey, that is not unusual, in fact all of the NW transatlantics say that, because in these cases NW & KLM are one in the same. http://www.nwa.com/co
91 Etrast : Do not forget the pretty big Indian population in the DFW area. Right now the only direct one stop (via Europe) service available to travel to India f
92 Post contains images AndrewUber : From the event in Terminal D at DFW about an hour ago: Unveiling of the new service: Dallas Mayor Tom Leppert speaking about the economic impact of th
93 FWFlyer : Great photos, Andrew! And nice news for those of us in the DFW area.
94 Commavia : Several thoughts about this announcement: 1) First and foremost, this is fantastic news for DFW. This is really the first major new international carr
95 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : Maybe this is AA's response: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070927/aqth172.html?.v=6 hahaha...seriously who is flying MKE-MQT in the dead of winter.....
96 Bartond : HELL YEAH!!! I'm sorry but my beloved DFW deserves this route and I hope that they market it enough and plug in enough business pax to make it work f
97 Shanderawx : KLM is celebrating a golden anniversary in Houston, started service here in 1957, let us hope that by 2057 DFW has a smilar golden anniversary. Suppor
98 JCS17 : How is staffing going to work at DFW? I really hope they don't send NW's DFW employees over to D to work the flight. If there isn't a more surly group
99 Commavia : Personally, I do think it would make sense to staff the flights with NW agents, although they'd have to get agents over to D from E once per day to w
100 Ssides : Agreed, and I hope the DFW community can make it work. LH has survived for quite a while at DFW, so hopefully KLM can make a run of it. DFW's interna
101 N77014 : IMO AA will continue as planned; indirectly compete with KL with service to LHR and the oneworld partners.
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