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BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787  
User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37615 times:

BA Statement below, says it all really!


GREEN LIGHT FOR AIRCRAFT ORDERS


British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787
aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s. Both
aircraft types will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines.

The new aircraft will replace 34 of the airline's longhaul fleet and will be
delivered between 2010 and 2014. The order, including options, will give the
airline the ability to grow its capacity by up to four per cent per year and the
flexibility to tailor its future capacity growth in line with market conditions.

The aircraft will be greener, quieter and more fuel efficient with significantly
lower carbon dioxide emissions and reduced impact on local air quality. This
was a key consideration in the order.

Willie Walsh, British Airways' chief executive, said: "This is an exciting day
for British Airways with our largest fleet order since 1998. It's great news for
our business, our customers and the environment.

"These aircraft set the gold standard when it comes to environmental performance
in the key areas of CO2 emissions, local air quality and noise. They will
contribute significantly to our target of improving fuel efficiency by 25 per
cent between 2005 and 2025.

"They are also much quieter than their predecessors, which is of vital
importance at Heathrow. Both the A380 and B787 are rated as producing a quarter
of the noise level of the B747-400.

"These new aircraft will continue our commitment to deliver the best travel
experience to our customers. This order builds upon our recent investment in
improving the customer experience through Terminal 5, the new Club World cabin,
inflight entertainment system and ba.com."

The new aircraft types will enable the airline to strengthen further its network
strategy, complementing each other in the longhaul fleet. The A380 will be used
to provide more capacity for the airline's key high-density markets and maximise
use of scarce Heathrow slots. The B787 will be used to start new routes and increase frequencies in
existing markets.

Both aircraft bring significant economic benefits with lower costs per seat.
They are both long range aircraft and bring more flexibility in to the fleet as,
unlike the B767 that they replace, they can be flown across the airline's
network.

British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB.

The airline has arranged for a group of banks to provide $1.5 billion of debt
financing to cover all of the airline's firm orders to the end of 2011.



Ends

September 27, 2007

[Edited 2007-09-27 08:12:22]


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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37602 times:

Finally, and very much as expected!!!

BA also says that the 787 order is for both 787-8 and -9

[Edited 2007-09-27 08:09:55]


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37572 times:
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Congratulations to Airbus & Boeing! A job well done. It will be interesting to see what they decide on for the remaining a/c. I'm going to go with either the 787-10 or the 773.

LACA773


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37542 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787
aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s.

I think that after the above announcement, the answer to the following is obviously the 350. If for no other reason than to maintain EURO political relationships.

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9834 posts, RR: 96
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37516 times:
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Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787
aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s.

Way to go BA!
Excellent choices on both counts IMO  thumbsup 

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
Both aircraft types will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines.

Way to go PM!
(Sorry BA - it just came out wrong)  biggrin 

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB

Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?
Also Kudos to the 773ER for being the only "current generation" aircraft to make the shortlist.

Regards


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37413 times:

Mmm hopefully we'll see BA's A380 in SYD!!!  Smile

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?

Guess not.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37414 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 1):
Finally, and very much as expected!!!

It's been telegraphed for months now.

Walsh even said as much re: the A380. And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with British wings was also a factor.

The future will still likely hold both the A350-1000/77W and 748i for BA, but not at this time. But it also won't be 9 more years, more likely 18 months.

(BTW - the statement about noise is absolute bull. The A380 does not produce 1/4 the noise of a 744, nor does the 787. I was right under an A380 when it landed at LAX, right after a UA 744, and I could not tell the difference in noise level. They just had a different sound. On takeoff I am sure they are quieter than the 744, but 1/4 is nonsense. The A380 is not 20dB quieter.)



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User currently offlineHloutweg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37415 times:

Wow!! It was a very fierce fight for the order and it is now revealed. I wonder whether they place a follow on order in which the A350 would cover the capacity the 777-200 and 777-300 do. Now is for Boeing to offer one or two really big aircraft based on the 787 to win this segment of the market. With the way things are going on now at Airbus and the continuous redesign of the A350, it seems BA rather chose for this later. The order for the A380 though, is a big push for the European plane maker. Congratulations to both companies and their fine planes!


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User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37414 times:

A split order and not as many as some were expecting.

Was the 748I waiting at the alter?

Did you see the 787 delivery dates, much earlier than in discussions. I suspect that slots were reserved long ago.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37414 times:

Great news for BA , Boeing and airbus aswell . Sad to see the 748 loose out but the A380 is a great aircraft and i cant wait to fly it with BA . I guess with 18 options i would say that the 787-10 will be a serious competitor for a follow up order but we cannot rule out XWB-1000 aswell as interim 77W's . The 748 will have to find other customers .

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37357 times:

Also notice the dates:

Despite both aircraft being sold out past 2010, BA will start taking delivery in 2010.

So, what Airbus and Boeing mean when they say sold out is that there are no slots available based on orders AND secret reservations...

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?

Well, BA only put the A380 on the radar this year, so who knows? As of last year, they said it was something to consider in the future.



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9834 posts, RR: 96
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37356 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
(BTW - the statement about noise is absolute bull. The A380 does not produce 1/4 the noise of a 744, nor does the 787

Presumably we'll soon see the "environmentalists" and BA in a courtroom near us soon..  Smile

Regards


User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37278 times:

A380 is the major winner here, I'd say. Of course, not too bad for the 787 either, but Airbus really needed this order for the A380. RR engines in all the ordered planes is not really surprising, but does BA want RR also in whatever they order in the future also? 747-8 has only GE as an option and according to this, is not considered in the future for replacing the 744s, though the reason is not necessarily the engines... I wouldn't be surprised if BAs choice would be RR-powered 787-10s or 350s.

When was the last time BA ordered a plane that had not entered in service?


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9834 posts, RR: 96
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37244 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?

Well, BA only put the A380 on the radar this year, so who knows? As of last year, they said it was something to consider in the future.

True, but in the above statement, it's not listed by BA as one of the aircraft being considered to replace its remaining 747-400's, hence my question.

Regards


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 37091 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Walsh even said as much re: the A380. And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with British wings was also a factor.

One pressure might have been the silent one from the residents of Windsor (one in particular) who would have hoped for any new planes to be higher as they passed over on take-off and if that took British wings, so be it. I am not sure about the early climb rate of the Rollers, but the later parts of the climb are better, so again that could be a plus.


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 37091 times:

Just got a call from work about this, so hopped on to check my message, and yep, all ordered  Smile

Would be nice to see teh 777 3000 in the fleet, they are nice aircraft

Congrats BA


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 37057 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 14):
True, but in the above statement, it's not listed by BA as one of the aircraft being considered to replace its remaining 747-400's, hence my question

Thats the only way to read it, weather one like it or not.
No good news for the 747-8.



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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36977 times:

Congratulations to both Airbus and Boeing. The A380 will become the first long haul Airbus aircraft in BA's fleet. And BA becomes the first new 380 customer in ?? 2 years. A win-win for both companies

BA goes head to head with SQ and QF with the 380. If they bring it to JNB [currently 2x744 daily] I can't see SA [340] competing with them on the JNB-LHR route

So much for sold out slots. Space can be found for a premium customer. It looks like BA may not need bridging aircraft untill the new frames arrive.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 14):
True, but in the above statement, it's not listed by BA as one of the aircraft being considered to replace its remaining 747-400's, hence my question

Hmm.... Keeps LH as the only customer

Interesting spin on the story from the Seattle PI...'Boeing gets British Airways order, but not the big victory'

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/333353_britishairways27.html



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User currently offlineStrathpeffer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36910 times:

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 13):
When was the last time BA ordered a plane that had not entered in service?

It was the 777 I think.

PJ



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36627 times:

Any idea yet what seating configuration(s) are being considered for the A380?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36577 times:

I am still waiting for official word from Airbus, Boeing and BA but if this all proves true, there should be no surprise here. British Airways had to order the A380 to stay competitive with its peers (e.g., SQ, QF, EK) at its home base of LHR. Though many are loathe to admit this, it would have been inconceivable for BA to stand proudly with the public image created by having bigger equipment from those carriers trundling about Heathrow and docking at the new T5 (or elsewhere). BA had to have its livery flying on the same machine!!

I would love to see the revenue breakdown on this order. If true, which manufacturer made off with the lion's share of the dollar/euro pie?

Reggaebird


User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36476 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
"They are also much quieter than their predecessors, which is of vital
importance at Heathrow. Both the A380 and B787 are rated as producing a quarter
of the noise level of the B747-400.

Firstly, congratulations to A & B and I'm sure BA has made the correct choice. How could it not have gone for the A380 at it's slot constrained hub?

Re the quote. Don't you think this is a journalistic error? I think the noise footprints are 25% less than the 747. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Does Terminal 5 have airbridges for the A380? I seem to remember reading that it didn't have them incorporated in the original design. I suppose they have a year or two to get some upgraded.

What's the delivery schedule for the types. Have they got early slots for 2010 from deferred orders by others?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36296 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 22):
I am still waiting for official word from Airbus, Boeing and BA but if this all proves true

It's all over the news services. Just google it. It's true!  wink 



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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36296 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
The B787 will be used to start new routes and increase frequencies in
existing markets.

The RFP was to replace 14 767, so 24 787 is quite an increase in capacity. Does any one know the split between the 788 and the 789?



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1729 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36269 times:

WOW!! BA ordering the A380 really made my day; its a great day for Airbus, and will put some confidence in the Airbus A380 again. As for Boeing, well, they're used to their successes Big grin Congrats for them, too!


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25 Scotron11 : No RR engines, no 748i for BA.
26 Scbriml : Well, nice orders for both Airbus and Boeing. More A380s and options (who said nobody takes Airbus options?) than many predicted. This makes interesti
27 Jonathan-l : AIRBUS PRESS RELEASE
28 Gkirk : Not really a surprise I suppose, the number of A380s sounds about right as does the 787s...
29 JWMD123 : Given the current low value of the USD v's the British Pound and generally both A&B price in USD Dollars, BA must have got a great deal on these birds
30 Theginge : The number of A380s seems to fit BA's plans nicely as some 744 routes sometimes don't even justify a 744. And the fact that they are considering 773,
31 Jamman : I think its a testament to both products that BA have gone for a split order between Airbus and Boeing, while my heart lays with Boeing I think the A3
32 SKY1 : It looks like, but I believe today is too soon to know it.
33 Aleksandar : Now this part seems very interesting. Does it mean they are not considering 748?
34 Ncelhr : I am sticken by the lack of B748i. If there was one airline that would have gone for them, it would have been BA. They B744 fleet is so large! Looks l
35 Danny : I think they will only get one additional type between 787 and A380 - likely the A350XWB-1000.
36 GDB : An exciting day for us at BA, the challenge of introducing both the ultra large A380 and the innovative 787. Sad to see the usual sour grapes BS here,
37 Aleksandar : Japanese are still silent, there Cathay and KLM and we'll see about BA, too
38 Post contains images Gkirk : Quite possible I would say...especially given theat the A350 is available with RR engines vs the 773ER and it's GE only...even though BA already op 7
39 BlueSky1976 : Some people would do whatever it takes to bash Airbus order. PATHETIC. I'd rather listen to Willie (who's a top manager and surely knows what he's do
40 Post contains images N1786b : Good, but not unexpected order, from BA. IMO, Airbus needed this order more than Boeing needed the 748i. But they went head to head and Airbus won. Co
41 SkidMarque : Here you go : Airbus gave BA the A380 for free.
42 Kaitak744 : I don't know about Airbus, but from the beginning, Boeing has reserved 787 slots for key customers like AA, UA, DL, BA, ect. AA's president has even
43 Post contains links and images Oldeuropean : So far the prediction of Carl from New Boeing 747 And 787 For British Airways? (by T773ER Sep 24 2007 in Civil Aviation) : nearly seems to be proven t
44 Post contains images Gkirk : Fantastic JFK: 1 x A380 + 5/6 B777/B787 daily LAX: 1 x A380 + 1 x B777 SIN/SYD: 1 x A380 JNB: 1 x A380 + 1 B777 HKG: 1 x A380 NRT: 1 x A380 + 1 B777
45 Justloveplanes : I think its more than that. They are considering the 77W with GE engines.
46 Aleksandar : Well, BA proved something now. They are cautious with new orders. They waited to see what will happen with A380 and its problems, they also waited wit
47 BWIA 772 : Congrats to Airbus and Boeing.. I hope the 773ER and 787-10 win in the next round!!
48 Post contains images Aleksandar : Can they give to me, too?
49 Post contains images Skyhigh : Ok, sorry to go off on a tangent but can someone talk to me as if I am a 5 year old. I love everything about planes and their aesthetics but I admit t
50 Post contains links and images WINGS : Congratulations to both Airbus and Boeing on this long awaited order. From what I can conclude it seems that Airbus has managed to come out on top of
51 Kaitak744 : They currently have 3x 744. That would be a huge downgrade. No. LAX is too busy for that. They have 2 flights in the winter, and 3 in the summer. I e
52 Danny : Not seriously imo as they previously ruled it out. Why would you order 773 with GE if XWB-1000 with RR is there?
53 SKY1 : Airbus is saying nothing about the BA A380 order. Not yet, unlike Boeing.com At least, fortunately this time was like a joke, no seriously.
54 Bongodog1964 : Some people still don't quite grasp that BA placed their orders based on the original stated requirements (replacement of longhaul 767's and early 74
55 Post contains images Gkirk : Those titles look just too big IMO Even Given how BA configure their 744s with as little as 290 odd seats? Could BA be the first A380 operator to hav
56 Post contains links and images LN-KGL : Ikramerica, back to school - see this illustration, and you know why The Decibel scale is logarithmic. More about the Decibels here http://en.wikiped
57 Post contains images Astuteman : Nothing in particular BA always said that this round of orders was to replace SOME 747's and the 767's. The aircraft ordered seem to reflect this. Th
58 SailorOrion : How about this: 747-400: QC2 upon landing A380-800: QC0.5 upon landing. Not really 1/4 of the noise, but 1/4 of the QC. SailorOrion
59 Bongodog1964 : Why would an Irishman with a reputation as a fairly ruthless businessman pusue a "British is best" policy ?
60 LHRjc : Yes, it does have some (5?) dual airbridges IIRC
61 Kaitak744 : Yes, they will need to firm the options. LAX: 2x A380 --==-- 4 planes SIN/SYD: 2x A380 --==-- 6 planes JNB: 1x A380 + 1x B744 --==-- 2 planes (A380s)
62 Jonathan-l : see reply 29
63 Bongodog1964 : Just a thought I can't recall any of the so called insiders, who have made statements on the BA order in the past month or so mentioning 12 A380's & 2
64 AutoThrust : Great news, for Airbus and Boeing. At least some very good news for Airbus. They needed this order. Now it will be interesting to see who will win the
65 MAH4546 : Awesome news for British Airways. And, yes, the 2010 deliveries of the first 787s show that Boeing isn't going to make long loyal customers wait for "
66 Post contains links N1786b : Dunno - ought to ask him....It is a quote. He denied the company had experienced political pressure to buy the superjumbo, the wings and engines of w
67 Post contains links Trekster : Im finding it odd there is no news on the Airbus website about the order, I can see the press release posted in reply 29, just not on there site??? ht
68 Post contains links Moo : Interesting quote from Walsh on that subject: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7015621.stm
69 United Airline : They can still order the B 747-8 to replace their remaining B 747-8s. Who knows?
70 DavidT : .. apart from the carl fellow mentioned in reply 46.
71 LHRjc : Guess you meant "to replace their remaining 744's ?"
72 Post contains links 797charter : Hi As i see it the 748i has been ruled out for future: BA says it will “continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace its remaining [Bo
73 Post contains images WINGS : The press release does not indicate which aircraft will be delivered in 2010. It just says that delivery will take place between 2010-2014. I'm surpr
74 United Airline : Sorry I mean their remaining B 747-400s. LH didn't mention the B 747-8 either but they ordered it at the end. Hope they will order some.
75 Gkirk : So how many British 787 operators now? FlyGlobespan Monarch -------------------- Thomsonfly First Choice Are these two combined or seperate? ---------
76 Bongodog1964 : This is where the difference in the use of English shows up. Wilie Walsh stated that BA chose Rolls Royce because in this instance their engine offer
77 Post contains images InbarD : Well turns out like many predicted it will be a mixed order. I always thought BA were going to buy the A380, i believe it wil suit them very well, so
78 Theginge : 787 will start being delivered in 2010, the A380 will come in from 2012. A380 likely to do Indian routes as well. Frequency for JFK is most important
79 Post contains images PM : Here you go again and, as always, without a shred of evidence. Do you think if you repeat it often enough it'll become true? It is no setback at all.
80 Oldeuropean : Did you read the statement of BA?: So I wrote: "nearly" Axel
81 Scouseflyer : I wonder is VS will now decide that they're definitely having the A388 and maybe take a couple of the ILFC ones on lease to be sure that they beat BA
82 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Hate to say it, but I called it right down the line - even down to the numbers. Congrats BA and A/B!!
83 Flipdewaf : Read in the seattle rimes article, this bit really cracks me up. "But Boeing found 787 delivery positions for the airline starting in 2010, said a per
84 Post contains links and images PM : Mr Walsh said that his company came under no political pressure to choose either Airbus or UK firm Rolls Royce for the orders. "There was no contact
85 Post contains images OA260 : A brilliant day for BA and the A380 program. I have always wanted BA to get the A380 and now my dream has come true !!! The A380 will look great in BA
86 MSYtristar : Very, very dissapointed that BA has decided not to order any 748's. I'm glad they made their final decision to end the speculation. I guess now i'll h
87 Donder10 : The A380 will definitely be put on at least one of the JNB flights, possibly both. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Lagos either.
88 Lumberton : So can we assume that British Airways is not concerned with the safety of composities?
89 OA260 : Would be nice to get it in time for the Olympic's . We may see that logo jet yet!!!
90 Swallow : ...giving John Leahy the 20 new orders [BA +12, EK +8] he predicted for 2007
91 DeltaAVL : Maybe they're talking about the noise levels in the passenger cabin?
92 Bongodog1964 : Yes I read it, and they haven't ordered the A350. I rest my case.
93 AirWales : I am glad the BA have finally made their choice. Both aircraft will look great in BA colours and I cant wait to see the interiors. Looking forward to
94 EbbUK : great news for BA customers. They can now experience Airbus long haul machines and love to love them for the beautiful machines they are. What will BA
95 Post contains images Astuteman : Despite the T900 being an "old clunker" that's completely outclassed by the GEnx.... Of course not. Nor the safety of wing structures. Or wake vortex
96 Post contains images AirbusA6 : A great order, and the right order too! The A380 makes a lot of sense for BA, and after running them for a few years, it can then make a decision on t
97 Gilesdavies : Good decision by BA! I was to be honest expecting a larger number of total aircrafts to be ordered... I for some reason thought (Rightly or wrongly),
98 OA260 : I think they would go for a balance of both innovation and traditional. Maybe the F class might have a lounge serving ''afternoon tea'' lol..... A ba
99 Post contains links and images Aither : Great news for the A380
100 Scbriml : That was never the plan. This order represents replacement of the 767 fleet (with growth) and the oldest 744s (they said 20 and they're ordering 19 w
101 Post contains links VictorKilo : Back in June, in this thread, I suggested that BA could order up to 25 A380's. Now that we know the number is 12, I want to try to use the same logic
102 OHLHD : Great to see that both planes are fitting into BA's fleet!. Good move to order the best which is on the market.
103 Post contains images EbbUK : I suspect the 2 airlines sorted this out around the same time they had a cosy chat about surcharges Simply wouldn't do to have the internet on while
104 Babybus : Not too surprising. Even if Boeing brought out an aircraft with a total flying range of 30 feet BA would have to buy it. That's the nature of politics
105 Columba : Any idea which version of the 787 is selected. I really hope this does not mean the end of the 747-8I with BA and it was only forget to be mentioned a
106 Post contains links Zeke : Congrats A&B. I have covered this on a previous thread, the EASA approved noise levels for jet aeroplanes TCDSN (Issue 2) http://www.easa.eu.int/doc/
107 TristarSteve : BA has replaced 20 B744 and 14 B763 with 12 A380 and 24 B787. This shows that 8 B744 are being replaced with smaller aircraft. Can one of the experts
108 BlackProjects : BA will need a taller Hangar for a380 work as only the Virgin Hangar at LHR/EGLL can Handle the 380due to the Notch that was built into the Hangars fr
109 LTBEWR : A shrewd decision balancing need and politics. RR is the biggest winner as supplying the engines for both orders. This keeps BA on the good side of th
110 Columba : I wonder how Virgin will react, they have postponed their delivery of A380s now BA got even earlier delivery dates for their A380s.
111 Scbriml : Not necessarily. They also took 7 options on A380s.
112 Post contains images BA380 : I was always confident that they would order the 380. hence my username.
113 Donder10 : For some of the North American routes the 744 may be too much capacity so I would imagine those routes may be downgraded to 777s and the 777 routes w
114 Post contains links Swallow : BAs firm 787 orders will be for both the -8 and -9 variants, powered by Trent 1000 engines http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-airbus-a380s-and-b
115 Post contains images RIX : - ROTFLMAO!!! Great day for Airbus (well, indeed, Boeing "used to it" ). A couple of things, however: BA gets 12 + possible 7 more A380s. That is, ha
116 Post contains images Columba : Both aircraft will look very good in BA colors !!!
117 Post contains links Theginge : Delivery dates and details: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...aul-routes-and-delivery-dates.html When are Virgin due to get their A380's, is it b
118 Post contains images DAYflyer : I told you weeks ago this would an order for Airbus. If you recall, the government was putting substantial pressure on BA to order Airbus to preserve
119 Theginge : How many times does it need to be said, there was no political pressure on BA!!! It was purely a business decision!!!
120 Post contains images WAH64D : Outstanding news. Congrats to BA, Airbus and Boeing. IMO they chose the best aircraft for both replacements. As I predicted, there will be no B748i fo
121 Columba : You are right 24+18 787s are a clear indication for political pressure especially since the A350 is also offered with RR engines.
122 Stitch : Coming in too late to say much other then color me surprised that BA has decided to go with the A380 and formally eschew the 747-8I (because they have
123 Jfk777 : BA must have gotten a hell of a deal to buy the A380 or they just had to buy planes with Rolls Royce engines.
124 Swallow : In addition to BA, 6 other customers have ordered both the 380 and 787. Engine choices are interesting: 787 380 British Airways RR RR China Southern G
125 Post contains links Dakota : Some nice computer animated pictures of BA's future Boeing 787 and Airbus A380 can be found here: http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/pictures/ba_787.asp
126 EI321 : Hmmmmm I thought they would go for the 747. This is a devastating blow for the 747-8I. It was the one order that I considered a 'banker' for the aircr
127 WAH64D : Posts like this explain why you have a Respect Rating of 0 ! Seriously, you either haven't paid any attention to this whole issue or you just hear wh
128 Columba : Why ????? Are you trying to indicate that otherwise BA would have never ordered it ? It is either politics or price when Airbus is winning, isn´t it
129 Post contains images Voodoo : Someone forgot to blue up the engines...... By the way... just how interchangable are the parts for Trents viz. 787 and A380?[Edited 2007-09-27 14:48
130 CDG : Congratulations to BA that's a VERY CLEVER decision !!
131 N1786b : They come in one color only. - n1786b
132 Stitch : I imagine not very, just because of the scale difference of two families.
133 Post contains images NorCal : It looks like Keesje is finally vindicated! (insert picture of BA A380 in London Olympics 2012 livery here ) Congrats to both A and B! Just stop with
134 Post contains links and images Scbriml : Of course. The old cop-out. http://uk.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUKWLB252120070927 Probably as good a deal as they got from Boeing for their
135 Revelation : And here I was thinking that this thread would end the series of threads that crop up every 2-3 days or so, wondering what BA was going to order. Oh,
136 Burkhard : The best possible outcome ( almost) A large Airbus and a large Boeing order! The 787 rocks! The A380 rocks! And a.net rocks! We can continue to start
137 BeechNut : No, it is not bull actually. Sound is measured in decibels which is a logarithmic scale. As a rough approximation, 3 db represents a doubling in soun
138 DavidByrne : I agree - perhaps he meant to say "the choice of Rolls Royce was because the British engine is best" (at meeting BA's engine choice criteria) - or pe
139 Post contains images Wolbo : If that is the strength of your case you are indeed well advised to let it rest.
140 Scbriml : Or a rethink on the whole concept of a Y3 if Boeing decides there really isn't a big enough market to justify spending $10bn+ developing a new plane
141 Carls : Also Airbus gave the A380 for free........Can you tell us what part of the 787 is made in England???? Is not because the A380 it is a superior A/C th
142 NYC777 : A couple of observations on this: 1) Seat gap. Assuming that BA follows through and replaces their 744s with A380s and 77W/A350-1000 then they will ha
143 Stitch : I think fragmentation driven by competition is going to be "the rule" going forward, while will drive drown the average traffic per plane while drivi
144 SKY1 : I'm going to say it again as I really believe still there is a small oportunity to be true: I think BA has not ruled out the 747-8I. Today is too soon
145 Carls : This are the answer I got two days ago from thread : New Boeing 747 And 787 For British Airways? RedFlyer: The fact that there are no 748i's in that l
146 Post contains images RussianJet : Such a shame, so early in the darn thread.....some people just really can't help themselves.
147 FlyABR : i'm wondering how many slots are left for DL/AA/UA if they decide soon to order up some 787s...or are they now screwed for early delivery??
148 Post contains images Boeing74741R : I had a feeling that the A380 would be ordered, the 787 was a given. Congrats to all parties involved, and I look forward to seeing both aircraft in B
149 Post contains images Carls : I spoke with someone who work for Airbus administration dept. and he told me that, in fact Airbus paid BA to get the A380. And it was a huge check!!!
150 Marquis : As anticipated by myriad members on a.net for years and finally confirmed from by BA.
151 Braybuddy : And those members who said BA would NEVER order the A380 . . .
152 Col : Cripples me to read some of the stupid remarks made by some people on here when the decision process does not go their personal way. Stop bleating and
153 Baroque : I do not know WW's sense of humour, but I suspect that is it. "British is best" became a rueful sort of a joke within the ten or so years after WWII
154 ORDagent : I remember a documentary (don't ask me which one) that showed BA working with Airbus on early design options for the 380. In fact they were among seve
155 Bongodog1964 : Fairly strong though isn't it ? man claims to have inside knowledge that BA will announce order for A350. BA don't order A350. Admittedly they announ
156 Douwd20 : Boeing never doubted there was a market for a plane the size of the A380 and 'absolutely' airlines would order it. The question was given the market
157 Theginge : A380 is coming to BA in 2012, not 2010. It is because although BA wants to use the A380s for growth there is not enough there at the moment for a lik
158 Post contains images SandroZRH : Congrats to all parties involved! I agree, both types look sweet in BA's livery. Yeah, we should respect the feelings of certain a.netters as they sai
159 Flighty : Only 12 A380 is amazing. That's very few. They can only run 6 to 7 major citypairs from LHR with that. We can expect JFK-LHR for example to gradually
160 Post contains images Swallow : Remember that BA executives flew on the 380 a few months ago and have a first hand experience of the aircraft. Although we did not hear about their i
161 CygnusChicago : *raises hand* I would be one of those. I think my words were something to the effect of "I won't believe it until I plunk my butt into a BA A380 seat
162 Post contains images OA260 : Very sportsman like It will be nice to see a good mix of new A & B metal in the BA fleet. A good day for all.
163 Carls : I stand by my friend comment. Even though his numbers are not the same that BA has announced they were very close, and I take in consideration that he
164 DL767captain : good for them, that is about the number u was thinking for A380s, what is interesting is those are more of an add on to the current fleet and they are
165 Sh0rtybr0wn : Congrats to Airbus and Boeing and BA, and of course, Rolls Royce. BA will receive them through 2014. That means during 2014 and up to December 2014, s
166 Post contains images Columba : For a -300 replacement they need to have the -300 first in order to replace it
167 JAAlbert : I hope the BA 380s come to LAX so I can fly em! I think the 380 order is rather modest and shows that most airlines -- other than EK -- see limited us
168 Post contains links Jdevora : The press release is now out : http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...09_27_british_airways_12_a380.html
169 YULWinterSkies : Geez... no more than 3 replies and here comes the politics/ Airbus bashing.... As if your European fellows would bash American politics every time a
170 Post contains images Carls : 300 was my addition.
171 Post contains images Moo : KU never ordered any, they were leasing them from ALAFCO. Well, strictly speaking you have some leeway to play with there
172 Post contains links and images RootsAir : One word: That is wicked!!!!!! congrats the A380 and congrats the 787 !!! P.S Thankfully there won't be anymore "Why BA no A380 threads !!
173 Post contains images Moo : KU never ordered any, they were leasing them from ALAFCO. Well, strictly speaking you have some leeway to play with there
174 SKY1 : Sandro, please don't get me wrong. I'm VERY happy to see BA will have the A-380, of course I'm. But just like LH did, BA might order the 747-8I. Righ
175 NorCal : I like the 2012 Olympic one better, but Keesje isn't around to put that one up. What gives?!?
176 Bennett123 : I have never flown a BA B767, better get a move on.
177 Scbriml : You haven't missed a great deal.
178 Post contains images FlyABR : wasn't somebody at some point saying that BA's order would be all boeing or all airbus??? am i smoking something??? makes me wonder about EK's all or
179 EBJ1248650 : Wouldn't you think that if BA wanted the 748 bad enough, but insisted on RR engines, Boeing would accommodate them?
180 Moo : Only for a significant order - it would be costly to certify the engine/airframe combination for just 20 frames, and chances are neither Boeing nor R
181 Speedmarque : Hi re the lovely pics in reply 172. BAs "Speedmarque" livery was introduced in 1997 (albeit with world tails but the livery is basically the same as n
182 SSTsomeday : What interests me is that BA seems to be content with a pretty large capacity gap between the 380 and the largest twin it will eventually choose to r
183 Scbriml : Not to mention GE's lawyers asking Boeing why they were breaking their exclusivity deal. Boeing decided they only wanted to offer one engine on the 7
184 Post contains images RIX : - these look to be mutually exclusive. Somehow, I believe the second one ...
185 OA260 : No it will just be ''Why no BA A380's before 2012'' LOL.... Would love to know what config . they intend to use.
186 Post contains images Astuteman : FWIW, I'm inclined to agree.. Regards
187 RIX : They just ordered more 772s with some options. Nowhere do they discuss 777 replacement - quite the opposite, 773 as 744 replacement (ain't gonna happ
188 A388 : An expected order and congratulations to BA, Boeing and Airbus. Like other members have said already, I'm looking forward in seeing and photographing
189 SandroZRH : Care to elaborate?
190 Stitch : Boeing isn't the one that needs to accommodate them - GE and RR would drive that decision. GE has an exclusivity contract and RR would have to both g
191 Insiderinfo : we haven't seen the last of this first order yet..... its just to get things rolling for now..keep all the rumours at bay.. 12 a380 were almost given.
192 Kaneporta1 : The A380 looks alright in BA colors, nothing amazing, but the 787 seems like it was designed with the BA livery in mind. Amazing! Actually we'll only
193 Post contains images RIX : - to elaborate that in couple of decades 350 (or 787) will not be a suitable fleet renewal option? No, don't care .
194 Stitch : I was certainly mistaken in my belief that BA was going to take the 747-8I up front (due to availability) and add A380-800s later, so I could certain
195 Post contains images BA787 : This is excellent news, I'm a bit surprised about the 787 but it is really good news. I'm delighted they've ordered the A380 My name finally has meani
196 Behramjee : This is great news for both Boeing & Airbus as they have won orders for their new planes from a big time blue chip customer i.e. BA. Now the speculati
197 Post contains links AirFrnt : Interesting article: http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/0...ts-equity-cx_ll_0927markets08.html Title: British Airways Can't Save Airbus.
198 FlyMD : A much needed shot in the arm for the A380 program. I think this is a BA first (Airbus widebodies) This must be a bit of a blow to the 747-8 program.
199 Post contains images A388 : Agreed A388
200 AirFrnt : And far far less the others did. As Forbes pointed out above, this should have been a crown jewel moment, but loosing the 767 replacement market to t
201 Post contains links Revelation : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...aul-routes-and-delivery-dates.html Although the spokeswoman says that the configuration and network for the A3
202 Post contains images RAFVC10 : What a great choice of aircrafts!!!! The 787 and the 380 to replace the old fleet of Boeing 767's and first Boeing 747-400's. I don't know if British
203 CJAContinental : Although the present orders do not include the 747-8, I would certainly not rule it out for BA anytime soon. For some of their routes, the 787 would b
204 Stitch : But then, a 12 frame 747-8I order couldn't save Boeing, either, so it's a wash. BA will buy more 787s (especially if chosen as their eventual 777 rep
205 SandroZRH : Oh, your previous statement suggested otherwise. Make up you rmind.
206 GDB : Some still do not get it. Give it up, in a poorly titled thread recently, I listed every BA order for 30 years, enough to demolish this whole politica
207 Post contains images Scorpio : I assume you mean the 747-8i by that? If you are referring to the A350, how is this a 'vote of no confidence' for the A350? Even in its press release
208 PlaneHunter : And where's the piece of evidence that BA indeed acted as (allegedly) ordered? After years I'm still waiting for anyone to prove that LH's orders are
209 Stitch : On the flip side, with the 787-8 and 787-9 already "in the door" and with BA joining the 787-10 "build it and we will buy" club, I'd say there is als
210 Post contains links Lumberton : As a follow up to PH's comments, I'm convinced that BA simply got the best deal. Here's a link to an article noting the great discount they got from
211 Stitch : Unless the governments accused of this are underwriting the direct operating costs of the fleet purchases, this whole "politics" thing is a red herrin
212 RTFM : Well I'll join a few people and admit that I was wrong about the A380 - I thought maybe an order later but not now. 787 no surprise tho', right size a
213 SandroZRH : That's an old hat, nobody does these days. I'm sure Airbus and Boeing still got a satisfactory deal.
214 Albird87 : Well i dont see any JAL or ANA ordering as they look like they are moving towards 2 engine aircraft as Japan airports look more in the way of 2 engin
215 Kaneporta1 : Yes, on the other hand, until today most people thought that the 747-8i was BA's "build it and we'll buy it" plane. As for the 787-10, it has a very
216 Scorpio : Sure, but I don't see them replacing the 744s with 787-10s. They'll need something between the 787 and the A380. With the 747-8 apparently ruled out,
217 Post contains links and images Braybuddy : View Large View MediumPhoto © Fergal Goodman
218 Art : Sorry if this has been said somewhere in the previous 200+ posts. BA is a company. It has a duty to maximise returns for its shareholders. Ergo it is
219 SB : Brilliant news, and another incentive to try and work for them! S. *counting down the days*
220 Post contains images WAH64D : But they didn't order the B747-8i so it hasn't been saved from the crapper although I suppose the lack of a B748i order could be construed as a vote
221 Stitch : Do not forget the 787-11, which is not a "stretch" (excuse the pun) for the 787 airframe and would be as good a fit as the 777-300ER and A350-1000 in
222 RIX : - none of my statements suggested either of 787 or 350 will be a good option for fleet renewal in 2 decades from now. "Don't care to elaborate" means
223 Post contains images Express1 : Fantastic news for Airbus and Boeing. Its also good to know that the B787 can be used on both short and long haul routes,so my guess that the second a
224 Scbriml : There never is and they never do.
225 Douwd20 : But isn't this the whole reason Boeing chose not to go with a VLA? Boeing noticed that most operators were replacing their 747's with 777's?
226 DavidT : Has this been officially announced? To me if it isnt a stretch (ie they change the cross section) isn't it a new type of aircraft? Is this the same a
227 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : This is a huge deal for RR! Congrats to them. Sigh... you had to rub it in. Seriously, on the A380, RR has sold enough to break even on the Trent 900
228 Post contains images LTU932 : That's a misconception. If, then the 747-8I is LH's "build it and we'll buy it" plane. Anyway, sad to hear that the 747-8I did not make the cut at BA
229 Post contains images SAS A340 : WOW!! Beautiful,this makes my day! This was a important order for Airbus to win. Congratulations to BA,Airbus and Boeing.
230 Revelation : How can you forget something that doesn't exist? Many here have speculated that it is a possible development, or even a likely development, but we ca
231 Iwok : Great win for everyone! -Ian
232 FlyABR : and also suggests boeing is in the running for future widebody orders too...
233 Post contains links HawkerCamm : Congratulations to both A & B. Both A380 and B787 will serve BA well. This is only the start of BA's long haul fleet replacement. I would expect they
234 Post contains images AirbusA6 : Btw, there seems to be some suprise at the relatively smaler size of the A380 order. Don't forget, BA operates in the real world, there's no rich gove
235 HawkerCamm : I'm not supprised. They have to find the funding which will impact EBIT and share/stock value for years to come. I would expect it will take them 15
236 Post contains images LTU932 : But more importantly, it's Airbus's breakthrough into the longhaul game at BA. Remember: until now, BA has not operated a single Airbus widebody, hav
237 JRDC930 : I KNEW IT!!!! THE 748I is DEAD... People just would not accept the fact that the 748I does not allow BA to grow. I love the 748, but facts are facts,
238 Post contains images CON207 : This order comes as no surprise but its great news all round for both aircraft manufacturers and for Rolls Royce. There was a write up in Aircraft Ill
239 SandroZRH : Still looking forward to an answer by our dear lkramerica, it'll make for some good fun!
240 Sllevin : What I think is most telling is the 2:1 ratio of smaller-than-747 replacement. Steve
241 Post contains images Acheron : Nice spin, but last time I checked, the A350 was still in the race to replace the remainder of the 744. Oh, but yeah, Airbus can't sell planes unless
242 Col : I was refering to the 748 Quad, not twin. Classic anyway, love those budgies. My one claim to fame is being invited to the 748 replacement (ATP) firs
243 Azhobo : 787 seemed a given. Did not figure the A380 order. So congrats to Airbus and fans. I really figured BA would go with the other dinosaur. HOBO
244 Bongodog1964 : Of course we have seen the last of this 1st order. Its quite clear in terms of firm orders and options, taking BA through the next few years. BA will
245 Douwd20 : Careful. The fat lady has not sang. In fact she isn't even warming up.
246 Post contains links and images Keesje : Hi folks, I´ve been not on the site today. Discussing it for 6 years & when the deal finally happens I´m off.. Good news. I guess I and many others
247 Post contains images SpeckSpot : Is there any reason to believe that BA is not being coy? As in, trying to get Boeing to offer a lower price on the 748i? Because so many good argument
248 S.P.A.S. : Quoting an mesage seen on pprune and attributed to Willie Walsh, on an internal mail to all BA employees. FROM: Willie Walsh, Chief Executive TO: All
249 Post contains images KELPkid : I think Boeing dashed all hopes of a BA 748 order the second they decided to give GE the exclusive powerplant on the bird...
250 Jtdieffen : As telling as that is, the only caution I'd use is that wee-Willie-Willie also said that they would not split the order that they ended up splitting.
251 Post contains images Scbriml : The next batch of long-haul orders are expected in 2008-9. You think Walsh won't be there then? Sounds like wishful thinking.
252 Viscount724 : B707-420 (ordered 2 years before the first 707 went into service), also B747-100, B767-300ER, B747-400, B777-200.
253 Scbriml : I suspect there are some non Boeing types to add to that list.
254 Post contains images JRDC930 : I dont know, BA was a pretty fat lady... Seriously though, no one else is even seriously considering the 748I... if people want a VLA it will be the
255 Viscount724 : Yes, including almost all British-built types operated by BA or their predecessors. In most cases they were the launch customer.
256 Ferengi80 : I have to admit to being very surprised by this one. BA has has a Boeing long-haul fleet with the 747-400s and 777s for several years now, and I reall
257 Ken777 : Congrats to all involved. It's a good win for the 787 and 380 and a great win for RR. It's going to be interesting to see how A&B respond to BA's orde
258 Scbriml : Viscount, Vanguard, Trident, BAC 1-11, VC-10, 748 (the HS variety!)?
259 Ncfc99 : I believe BA said that the VLA order would not be split this time(only 388 or only 748). Any future orders may be for the 388 again, or the 748 or ne
260 Viscount724 : I don't think BA (or BEA prior to the BOAC/BEA merger) was either the launch customer or an early operator of the BAC 1-11 or HS748. The others, yes.
261 Stitch : The 787-11 would be a 6m stretch of the 787-10 with a total length of 75m. It would have a cabin floor area between the A350-1000 and 777-300ER and w
262 Post contains images Boo25 : Well, i work for BA, and I am .....SHOCKED !!! BA are fairly prudent in their airframe choice, so i am surprised they have gone for A) A massive airli
263 Jtdieffen : I'm not wishing, or thinking it, but I'm just saying that any possibility can't be ruled out. Prior to the announcement, everyone was emphasizing tha
264 LH423 : You think? Are those the routes they're throwing around at Waterside? Most make sense except SFO. Unless they were to reduce frequency, during my ten
265 Post contains images FAEDC3 : It amazes me how far people would go to make a point.... That, my friend would narrow your options to fly across the pond to maybe 5%. I feel no envy
266 Abba : And how will this order for the 380 by BA impact other airlines such as CX? Abba
267 Stitch : I feel it will influence them towards the A380.
268 GDB : The E-Mail S.P.A.S. linked is genuine. BA conducted a very through evaluation for this order, as the e-mail says, the second round will involve the ty
269 ER757 : To those who say this order was influenced by politics, give it a rest. I think the 787 and A380 were no-brainers for BA. I am, however surprised the
270 Post contains images Ikramerica : It also does not mention A380s in the future plan. So are you going to make the same claim regarding the future of the A380 at BA? That they will tak
271 StressGuy : Congratulations to all involved! I must say I am somewhat sad to see BA not buy 747-8's since they have such a long healthy relationship. I believe th
272 PlanenutzTB : The big winners with this order are Boeing and Rolls-Royce, all profit in this order for them. Airbus still needs another 243 orders for the 380 to br
273 FlyMD : Well I think that the overall numbers (in terms of A380s and 787s sold) supports the argument that operators are in general focusing on longer (and i
274 Addrenaline : Glad they have gone public, as expected an A380 order, less than I expected but an A380 order none the less. As I stated its " greenness " to the envi
275 RayChuang : I think BA may increase their 787 order to completely replace their their 757 and 767 fleet over the next 12-14 years. I wouldn't be surprised that th
276 VV701 : Not with QF. The JSA (Joint Services Agreement) between BA and QF calls for the two airlines to share all revenue, costs and profits on all routes fl
277 Aerofan : I wonder if this now means that VS will decide to now accept the A380?
278 Baron52ta : [quote=Scotron11,reply=25] No RR engines, no 748i for BA. British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787 aircraft with
279 Stitch : Personally, I don't put much stock in the "no Trent 1000 option means no BA 747-8I order" line... I am sure Boeing asked large RB-211 operators like B
280 Post contains links Mariner : I agree with the financial anaylst who says it is a very "sensible order", and that BA may have received discounts up to 25% off list from both manufa
281 Post contains images JRDC930 : Congrats to Airbus and boeing...but i think its afe to say after reading BA's statement that the 748-I did not impress them. Big blow to the passenger
282 Post contains links VV701 : The Times newspaper is saying that "Mr Walsh said he hoped to have a dozen 787s and a couple of A380s by the time of the London Olympics [August 2012]
283 Post contains images RIX : But 350 is not in 350-425 seats range. It's much cheaper and practical to go ahead with 78A/B, even making new wing, than to get a monopoly in ~400 s
284 Mikesbucky : This is my first post on A.Net so I figured I'd jump right in with about the most controversial issue out there, A vs B. I don't see this as a good da
285 Post contains images Stitch : Didn't you know? Americans always root for the underdog, so when the 747-8I lost, we were all kind of bummed. Seriously, a 12+9 frame 747-8I order wi
286 Post contains images Iwok : Well said Mariner. I personally see this as a win-win deal for both. Boeing has clearly further established itself as the leader in twin aisle market
287 TruemanQLD : Very Good for BA. I always thought they would suit the A380... Could this be the start of more orders for the A380... say UA or JL?
288 Post contains images Starlionblue : Not to worry. I am expecting a "Why BA no A380 YET?" thread any day now.
289 Theredbaron : Can someone tell me the count on A380 sales? Maybe they will get even by 2010.....
290 Post contains images Mariner : I'm not sure that I would describe either Boeing or the 787 as the underdog. mariner
291 AFGMEL : Fantastic post VV701. Nice to see such informed and well thought out posting without relying on flaming and emotion. Back to the topic. Some people h
292 JRDC930 : Certainly the 748i is an underdog;especially now that the biggest customer has rejected the 748 I.
293 Post contains images WingedMigrator : First of all, to Airbus, Boeing and BA. Outstanding news for the A380. Nope. But every year that they don't order the 748I, the aircraft recedes into
294 Abba : I think that is is the real and true win for the 380! Abba
295 Post contains images Astuteman : Or perhaps that BA aren't ready to order the whole fleet just yet. Puzzled - what was the first "dinosaur"?. The A380? Or perhaps, unthinkably, the A
296 JRDC930 : Yes, people need to accept, the 748i was a creation of boeing; not an accurate anticipation of the market; the 380 fits the VLA market much better th
297 BAOPS777 : I would say BA are unlikely to go for the A350. BA cabin crew on worldwide can only hold 3 licenses. So at the moment these are 747/767 and 777 The 78
298 BAOPS777 : I would say BA are unlikely to go for the A350. BA cabin crew on worldwide can only hold 3 licenses. So at the moment these are 747/767 and 777 The 78
299 Scbriml : While BA has shown a strong preference for RR over the years (the GE 777s are an oddity due more to the maintenance deal that BA signed with GE), I b
300 Scbriml : But not surprised.
301 Scbriml : Very possible. I would be surprised if their options are not firmed up fairly quickly. Especially if other airlines show a serious interest in buying
302 Scbriml : I really can't follow your logic here. You seem to be saying that BA long-haul will never have more than three types because crew can only (currently
303 Worldrider : i don't think they will wait till end 2008 to decide on the next order, i wonder why they already secured a1.5 billion dollar loan to pay their depos
304 Anax : well done A ! congrats to both airbus and BA now that the BA castle has fallen , who is next?
305 Post contains images Worldrider : American Airlines
306 Keesje : Air India?
307 Post contains images Elite : Congrats to BA and A&B Can't wait to see the 787 and 380 on longhaul routes.
308 Post contains images AutoThrust : That doesn't make sense, when you can get in less then 7 years next gen. planes like the 787-10/11 or A350 which are much more efficient. They could
309 Post contains links Lumberton : Speculation in this article that Airbus discounted the A380 up to 50%. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ctors/transport/article2546862.ece
310 PADSpot : I'd venture to say that Airbus cannot afford such discounts and they probably "knew" that there was no way around the A380 for BA. BA was forced by i
311 VV701 : The delivery positions they have obtained - as I said in an earlier thread Walsh has been quoted in the Times newspaper as saying he hoped to have a
312 Scbriml : Yes, I understand that, but he clearly said Given how long it will take BA to get 744s and 767s out of their fleet, they will have at least five type
313 Mariner : Yes, I read that. I've seen speculation of various percentages, but it all seems to be just that - speculation. I have no doubt that BA got a healthy
314 Columba : Please give a reason why an aircraft that comes nearly 20 years later on the market and has about the same size and capacity should not be a suitable
315 BoogyJay : However, BA still officially consider purchasing the 77W, a GE-powered aircraft. See : As for BA future WB orders, I see : - A3510 and more A380s for
316 Columba : I see it very much the same and the statements from BA might indicate that they will go this way.
317 Post contains links and images Keesje : Which will no doubt trigger Boeing to slash back in the 330+ seats segment they owned for 30 years with the 777-300ER and 747, which will trigger Air
318 Lumberton : Which begs the question, do both OEM's continue ad infinitum with the "launch customer rates"?
319 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Given this thread has over 300 replies those on dial up connections will be having trouble downloading this thread. Please continue the discussion at
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