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Where Does AF Fly Their B 747-400s To?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8803 posts, RR: 17
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Where does AF fly their B 747-400s to? Mainly leisure routes I think?

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User currently offlineAFC_Ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

AF: How Many 744 PAX Left? (by LY777 Sep 24 2007 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Hi-JFK,San Francisco,Miami,Montreal,Boston,Havana,Caracas,Toronto,Atlanta
Mauritius

May have missed a few

Cheers!
Tony

User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

After the conversion of F-GISE into a full Freighter, 13 B744 PAX will remain in service with AF, not 8.

Destinations for the summer 2007 program are :

JFK, BOS, YUL, YYZ, ATL, MIA, SFO, CCS, GIG, PUJ, SDQ, HAV, MEX, MRU.

User currently offlineB742 From UK - England, joined Mar 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Air France also operate the 744 during the winter season to:

Bangkok/Ho Chi Minh City and Bangkok/Hanoi.

Rob!  wave 

User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
Air France also operate the 744 during the winter season to:

Bangkok/Ho Chi Minh City and Bangkok/Hanoi.

Add DEL to that list as well. I was on F-GISA in January 2007 from CDG-DEL-CDG.

On that note, which a/c reg will fly to DEL this winter. From the other thread going on now (i had posted the same thing that i will do now as no one has replied to my question on that forum) their AF 744 don't have F class. So is DEL not a premium ( i mean F class pax) destination for AF or they send the 744 as it has max capacity (more than 77W, which has F class) during the winter rush to India?


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User currently offlineB747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16598 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

And I really hope that no one say that AF operate their 744s to LAX.

The operate the 777s and a A340. Some times it happens that they send the 744, but that is rare.


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8803 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

A pity that they no longer fly them to Hong Kong.......

User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7259 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
Destinations for the summer 2007 program are :

JFK, BOS, YUL, YYZ, ATL, MIA, SFO, CCS, GIG, PUJ, SDQ, HAV, MEX, MRU

I suspect (I may be wrong) that MEX will not see AF's 744s in summer 2008 or ever after the current summer season ends. Wasn't AF thinking about turning MEX into an all-772ER station until the A388 joins the fleet (772 and A388 then)?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
I suspect (I may be wrong) that MEX will not see AF's 744s in summer 2008 or ever after the current summer season ends.

The 12 x Weekly frequencies on CDG-MEX-CDG next winter season will be operated by a B772ER.
Don't know yet what will be the summer 2008 program.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
Wasn't AF thinking about turning MEX into an all-772ER station until the A388 joins the fleet (772 and A388 then)?

MEX will not see AF's A380, at least in the early times of operation.
As mentioned many times, AF will first use its A380 to YUL, JFK then NRT when they will receive the 3rd aircraft.
PEK should be next, then LAX and/or SIN. SIN became very successful for AF since the huge success of the codeshare agreement with QF on the CDG-SIN-Australia route.

Of course, all this could change by the time AF will receive its A380, but I really doubt MEX will be among the first destinations to be served by the A380.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2457 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

what about MIA? will it recieve 77Ws or A380s? When will the 744 stop flying to MIA?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 10):
what about MIA? will it recieve 77Ws or A380s? When will the 744 stop flying to MIA?

MIA is a very touristic market with a low yield. The offer in seat, with the B744, is only 40J (business) for 396Y (Economy) daily, so it seems more than unlikely to see the AF A380 in MIA, no more likely to see the 3-classes B77W operated by AF at the moment.
MIA, along with GIG, BKK, SFO, will see their B744 service replaced by the new B77W ordered recently that will be also configured in a 2-Class only J/Y, just like the B744 they are due to replace.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2457 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

From when will these new 77W replace the 744 on that route?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

After F-GISA and F-GISB earlier this year, a third B744 (F-GISE) will be retired from service next month to be converted into a freighter, leaving only 13 B744 in service.
Their replacement should start as early as the end of 2008/early 2009 and they should all be gone by 2011, replaced by the additional 13 B77W ordered last May.

User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 13):
Their replacement should start as early as the end of 2008/early 2009 and they should all be gone by 2011, replaced by the additional 13 B77W ordered last May.

So after 2011, DEL can expect a 77W on their daily AF148/147 service???

Also, AF28/39 to IAD is a 77W, will it be changed to its usual 772ER for the winter months??

Thanks in advance!!


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User currently offlineCDG From France, joined Sep 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 5):
DEL not a premium ( i mean F class pax)



Quoting Mk777 (Reply 14):
So after 2011, DEL can expect a 77W on their daily AF148/147 service???

Hi !!

Strange i think....

BOM & BLR can handle F, how come DEL is not served by a F class aircraft ??
With Gurgaon, Noida, being a Capital, Governement traffic...

What about other carriers to DEL do they all have F ?

CDG

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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 14):
AF28/39 to IAD is a 77W, will it be changed to its usual 772ER for the winter months??

During the winter, IAD is served by 2 x Daily flights. AF028/039 & AF026/027. Both of them will be operated by a B772ER next winter.

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