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TAM Finally Flies To CCS!  
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Hey guys!

Just saw on the net that TAM starts flying to CCS from GIG and connecting in MAO this coming Saturday 29th.

The flight will land in CCS at 05.55 and fly back to Brazil at 08.20.

A.netters Cybergus, Orl777 and me will meet to spot the event!

Anyone willing to join, is welcome!

Cheers

[Edited 2007-09-28 04:10:12]


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User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 269 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Just saw on the net that TAM starts flying to CCS from GIG and connecting in MAO this coming Saturday 29th.

The flight will land in CCS at 05.55 and fly back to Brazil at 08.20.

Finally some Competition in this market!!! just interesting now, Also a new Airline to CCS!!! Just nice!!

the flight will be Daily and A320 as a Machine


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2681 times:
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Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Just saw on the net that TAM starts flying to CCS from GIG and connecting in MAO this coming Saturday 29th.

Wish success and the best for TAM !

Will be a good competitor for RG.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

The flight starts today 28th. The return from CCS will be tomorrow 29th.

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Good news. Always glad to see more connections between South American cities.

User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2531 times:

Something around USD 800 for BSB-MAO-CCS-MAO-BSB....not a price champion though.


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User currently offlineMaracucho85 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2007, 50 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Hey guys!! I just read the post! I would have liked to go down there to CCS to spot the event!! Did you get to see the V0 340 sitting at the end of the runway? (Close to where the DHL aircraft sit)

It´s great to see more competition coming to CCS! Still waiting for NK!

Best regards,

Alberto


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

ah friends, also just saw the post.... well next time send me please a message  Smile

well I am pritty sure TAM will do very good with the flight as the fares seems pritty good. Well maybe there is a chance for an uprgrade to an A330 in the future... would be great!!! specially as there is a lot of grow in the brazil-venezulean market, its amazing to see the increase of the aircargo market on the brazil-venezuela route.

Last week I was invited to the TAM opening event in CCS, well the event was really amazing, I am sure TAM will do very good in this new marekt.

cheers
Avianca



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

There are plans to code-share with Conviasa and than TAM could operate between CCS/MIA/CCS with traffic rights and maybe the "national" Venezuelan carrier changes from "AA" or "AV"...it is quite early to get this solved as the flt just started yesterday, but conversations with Conviasa will happen.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 8):
There are plans to code-share with Conviasa and than TAM could operate between CCS/MIA/CCS with traffic rights and maybe the "national" Venezuelan carrier changes from "AA" or "AV"...it is quite early to get this solved as the flt just started yesterday, but conversations with Conviasa will happen.

well as I understand the code-share deal for connections within Venezuela was already signed... regarding traffic rights for CCS-MIA-CCS would be a surprise. What to you mean with the national Venezuelean carrier changes from AA or AV???



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
What to you mean with the national Venezuelean carrier changes from AA or AV???

This is a joke about what I heard while I was in CCS about 2 weeks ago...a lot of people in the aviation industry said as a joke that the national carrier of Venezuela is AA or AV...meaning there is no strong presence of a Venezuelan carrier.


User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 269 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
ah friends, also just saw the post.... well next time send me please a message

Hey, yep sorry about but for my example I don´t have your phone number so if you can send me by a PM would be nice, the flight departed with 20 minutes delay but just excellent that finally we have TAM here in CCS today the A320 was PR-MAK

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
well I am pritty sure TAM will do very good with the flight as the fares seems pritty good. Well maybe there is a chance for an uprgrade to an A330 in the future

Yes for one reason I thinking that TAM will do an Excellent job here in CCS and Maybe we will have an Upgrade to A330

Saludos


User currently offlineSAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting Orl777 (Reply 11):

TAM will do fine until Varig returns with the non-stop flight. It's still beyond me why TAM chose to fly via MIA as well. There isn't that much traffic between MAO and CCS to justify that stop. Besides, I'm pretty sure the 320 is capable of flying non-stop. Time will tell how the flight will perform. Wouldn't expect that much though, especially with Varig returning the non-stop flight briefly.

Cheers,

Marcelo



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2190 times:

Guys,

An excellent way to spot the first flight departing from CCS. The morning was at its best, with an awesome amount of light and the A320 became airborne with not much effort.

I will upload the photos as soon as I can.

Let's hope they do fine on the route and upgrade to an A330 or perhaps, 777  Smile

Cheers

PS.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
ah friends, also just saw the post.... well next time send me please a message

Andreas I lost your number! Send me a PM to get in touch again!



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

I got this photo from our staff at CCS of the very first arrival at Maiquetia.

Big version: Width: 2048 Height: 1536 File size: 1506kb


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Quoting Orl777 (Reply 11):
Hey, yep sorry about but for my example I don´t have your phone number so if you can send me by a PM would be nice,



Quoting 797 (Reply 13):
Andreas I lost your number! Send me a PM to get in touch again!

ok, guys, send you just the pm with the details....  Smile see you soon in CCS or MIQ enjoying a bottle of Buchanans  Smile



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3705 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 12):
TAM will do fine until Varig returns with the non-stop flight. It's still beyond me why TAM chose to fly via MIA as well. There isn't that much traffic between MAO and CCS to justify that stop. Besides, I'm pretty sure the 320 is capable of flying non-stop. Time will tell how the flight will perform. Wouldn't expect that much though, especially with Varig returning the non-stop flight briefly.

Cheers,

Marcelo

The thing is that the bilateral does not allow TAM to fly nonstop.


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 8):
There are plans to code-share with Conviasa and than TAM could operate between CCS/MIA/CCS with traffic rights

An agreement was signed already but its of a different nature, V0 will connect the TAM flight with the different national destination it serves.
Nothing about a CCS-MIA agreement, though.

[Edited 2007-10-01 06:02:39]

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Hey guys,

Just finished editing the photo, here it is!

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/enriquep100/TAM-1535-EJPP-magazino.jpg

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 14):
I got this photo from our staff at CCS of the very first arrival at Maiquetia.

Was that photo taken at its arrival or departure?



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 18):
Was that photo taken at its arrival or departure?

During arrival.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 17):
Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 8):
There are plans to code-share with Conviasa and than TAM could operate between CCS/MIA/CCS with traffic rights

An agreement was signed already but its of a different nature, V0 will connect the TAM flight with the different national destination it serves.
Nothing about a CCS-MIA agreement, though.

You are right...but as I said, there are plans...so still not implemented.

Cheers.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Any information on the loads for the first departures out of Manaus and Caracas??


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1951 times:
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Quoting Orl777 (Reply 11):
Yes for one reason I thinking that TAM will do an Excellent job here in CCS and Maybe we will have an Upgrade to A330

I don't believe in such upgrade because it demand a stop in Manaus which already receives an A332 during the morning.
Looking for cargo, could be interesting (on São Paulo-Manaus leg), but also a waste of valuable A332 during the night as they could even fly non-stop to destinations like MIA where pax yields are higher.

The problem is that, selling cargo from Rio and São Paulo to Caracas has limits because of the land in MAO, and the cargo demand MAO-CCS is not that high to justify the A332.

Felipe



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 18):
Hey guys,

Just finished editing the photo, here it is!

Hey Enrique, great shot!! Do you have any shots with CCS on the background? Plane taxiing and stuff like that? Would be great  Smile Take care bro!

Saludos desde Monterrey,
Luis


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
I don't believe in such upgrade because it demand a stop in Manaus which already receives an A332 during the morning.
Looking for cargo, could be interesting (on São Paulo-Manaus leg), but also a waste of valuable A332 during the night as they could even fly non-stop to destinations like MIA where pax yields are higher.

The problem is that, selling cargo from Rio and São Paulo to Caracas has limits because of the land in MAO, and the cargo demand MAO-CCS is not that high to justify the A332.

well there is demand for cargo on the route MAO-CCS with an very high yield as lack of service cargo is normally moved via MIA. And well Absa flights from VCP into CCS are always full and I am sure TAM would do a very good business using an A332 on the route.

well lets see.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 23):
well there is demand for cargo on the route MAO-CCS with an very high yield as lack of service cargo is normally moved via MIA

Avianca,

MAO is strong in cargo from LAX, MIA (because of electronic components), GRU and GIG (because of food and others), BSB and BEL (fruits and also food). The outgoing cargo in general are for GRU, GIG and BSB (electronics). This is why cargo planes run MIA-MAO-XXX-MIA
It's because of Manaus Free Trade Zone, good to produce electronics and all stuff, that they sell all around the country, but it's not enough to compete against China and others for Latin America country, as well as the current BRL x US$ rate does not help manufacturers that much. It's good to importers, bad to exporters.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
25 SAOAP : Aha, I did not know that... Thanks for the update! Cheers, Marcelo
26 797 : Luis! Dude where have you been!? No, unfortunately we couldn't take any photos of the aircraft in the Tarmac. The airport is facing the construction
27 Avianca : yes MAO is mainly an import market, but there is also some export cargo and that cargo has a very high yield due the lack of flights ex MAO to citys
28 LipeGIG : You could be right, but it's not that huge demand. Felipe
29 Avianca : Lipe, yes its not a very huge demand. but the rates are healty so also with a small load it would help the flight... Anyway TAM would fill up the fli
30 LipeGIG : Avianca, cargo is not a focus on TAM A320's flight. If you look into DOT reports for example, Cargo numbers for the MAO-MIA are terrible ! Due to A32
31 Maracucho85 : Hey Guys!! Very good to see this post still up there! By the way very nice pic Enrique!! As I said before, please count me in next time!! Can I be par
32 Post contains images A388 : I would also love to go aircraft spotting in CCS for a few days but I don't know where to go and CCS what I read is not the safest place to walk arou
33 Orl777 : Hey Alberto, yes If you want to go down with us you can of course, and for the next time I will count you Saludos Hello, yes Is a little bit true but
34 Cybergus : Finally I took a time to reply to the thread. The day that time arrived was simply AMAZING. That A320 just blast off the runway in front of our noses.
35 Post contains images Luisde8cd : Hey Enrique! Haven't seen you seen I left your apartment in Rome in the middle of a thunderstorm! That night I had to take a cab to Termini because t
36 797 : Epale! Thanks bro! Sure dude, just send me a PM with your number and I'll make sure to include you in our next spotting day down at CCS... Hello my f
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