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Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26011 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 10409 times:

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Virgin America To Unveil Two New Cities By Yearend
09/28/2007

Two new destinations should show up on Virgin America's route map within the next three months as the airline's fleet grows to 12 aircraft by the end of November.

Airline VP-Planning and Sales Brian Clark told The DAILY at the launch of the SFO-IAD service that while the carrier couldn't detail the next destinations, metropolitan areas such as New York, Washington and Los Angeles fit well with the Virgin brand.

Virgin America CEO Fred Reid took a broader view noting that flying to nine of the 15 top markets from both Los Angeles and San Francisco has "S curve attributes" -- meaning these markets can sustain cycles of a slow start, rapid growth and then a leveling off.

Operationally, Virgin America is on aggregate performing better than market competitors in terms of controllable delays, Reid noted. He added that during the first month of operations the carrier's planes were more than 80% full.

Comparing Virgin America to U.S. legacy carriers, Reid claims the upstart's unit costs are 30%-60% lower. But he pays attention to JetBlue and Southwest "more than anyone else," due to those carriers' cultures and treatment of customers.

Reid is also pushing for Virgin America to find multiple partners for its Elevate frequent flyer program -- and eventually reach codeshare deals -- early next year.


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http://www.aviationnow.com/publicati...+Unveil+Two+New+Cities+By+Yearend+


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

Hopefully there will be at least one city in Texas... Maybe DFW, IAH (or HOU) or AUS???  crossfingers 


"Drunk drivers run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Well, SAN is a given since they have posted a station manager's position. I would guess BOS or MIA would be next.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10059 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Well, SAN is a given since they have posted a station manager's position. I would guess BOS or MIA would be next.

...and SAN was to be part of the original 6 start-up cities! (Manager's position has been posted since mid-August so I would imagine it is close to being filled; SAN station Supervisor's position has been posted since the end of August.)

And, if this article is to believed, it looks like my hope of service this year will come true.

I would expect SEA or MIA are pretty high on the "next stations" list.

Drop the suspense all ready, Virgin; let us know who, where and when!

bb


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26011 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10040 times:

Taking Fred Reid's comment about the 15 top SFO & LAX markets new cities should be among these;

From LAX
NYC-already served
Bay Area-already served
CHI
LAS
PHX
ATL
SEA
DFW
DEN
DC-already served
HOU
MIA/FLL
PHL
SMF
BOS
PDX
MCO

From SFO
NYC-already served
LA-already served
LAS-already served
BOS
CHI
DEN
DC-already served
SEA
ATL
MSP
DFW
PHL
SAN
PHX
MIA/FLL
DTW
PDX
MCO

So.... Common unserved destinations from both cities are;
CHI, DEN, SEA, ATL, DFW, MIA/FLL, PDX, PHL PHX, MCO

 scratchchin 



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9991 times:

I would say SAN and MIA.
AA has a monopoly on MIA-LAX/SFO plenty of room for another airline and maybe a MIA-JFK too?



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9944 times:

SEA... then ANC!!!!!!!...


SEA for sure soon... ANC is a dream.... but one can hope!!

SEA is what AS is concerned about of course... things to get interesting... Yes...???

I want to see what AS will do to compete.....

Hmmm ... SEA-SFO... SEA-LAX... SEA-SAN.... let the games begin...



Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33179 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

San Diego is one of them. The other is up in the air, I say Boston, Miami, or Seattle. However, for what it is worth, about two weeks ago Virgin America set up a local office and phone number in Miami, next to MIA.


a.
User currently offlineGreenguy01 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

I thought that I heard the Virgin America had advertisments up in Chicago.... anyway I think that Chicago is on that list if they can acquire slots which are hard to come by without some arm twisting.


Never argue with an idiot. They drag you to their level and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5552 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9658 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
So.... Common unserved destinations from both cities are;
CHI, DEN, SEA, ATL, DFW, MIA/FLL, PDX, PHL PHX, MCO

I think you left out BOS.

So among those cities, Virgin Atlantic flies to ORD, BOS, MIA, and MCO - if you want to narrow the likely prospects further.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9531 times:

Quoting Lono (Reply 8):
SEA... then ANC!!!!!!!...

Keep in mind any flying outside the Lower 48 requires a change in certificate.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
San Diego is one of them. The other is up in the air, I say Boston, Miami, or Seattle. However, for what it is worth, about two weeks ago Virgin America set up a local office and phone number in Miami, next to MIA.

Is looking that way; will report back for sure when I am on campus.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4706 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9489 times:

How many carriers are on the BOS-SFO/LAX market?

i think theres at least 3 airlines and LCC service from BOS-SFO/LAX already, NYC its easy to do, BOS might be a little harder. MIA pulls from a smimilar sized area as BOS but with alot less competition.

Of course they could always do PVD for their New England entry  Wink



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
How many carriers are on the BOS-SFO/LAX market

There are 3 carriers on BOS-SFO. UA has 5 x daily flights, AA has 2 x daily flights, and B6 has 1 x daily flight.

There are 3 carriers on BOS-LAX. UA has 3 daily flights, AA has 4 x daily flights and DL has 2 x daily flights

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
i think theres at least 3 airlines and LCC service from BOS-SFO/LAX already, NYC its easy to do, BOS might be a little harder. MIA pulls from a smimilar sized area as BOS but with alot less competition.

NYC has a ton of demand, but then again, you have a ton of competiton. CO, UA, AA, DL, and B6 all are in the market offering at least 2 x daily flights a piece.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26011 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9420 times:

Quoting B752OS (Reply 14):

Need to also thrown in the B6 BOS flying to OAK/SJC & LGB

BOS-OAK 2x, BOS-LGB 2x, BOS-SJC 1x

LAX & SFO transcon pricing is often driven by what B6 does at these other airports.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9347 times:

VRD224 A320 John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) San Francisco Intl (KSFO) Fri 06:28 PDT Fri 12:16 PDT
VRD231 A320 San Francisco Intl (KSFO) John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Fri 09:08 PDT Fri 14:04 PDT
VRD235 A320 San Francisco Intl (KSFO) John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Fri 07:21 PDT Fri 12:16 PDT
VRD238 A320 John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) San Francisco Intl (KSFO) Fri 04:56 PDT Fri 10:41 PDT
VRD311 A320 John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) Fri 04:46 PDT Fri 10:22 PDT
VRD318 A320 Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) Fri 09:19 PDT Fri 14:06 PDT
VRD466 A320 Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) San Francisco Intl (KSFO) Fri 05:20 PDT Fri 10:46 PDT




I for one hope new cities open...because dispatching transcons is sure to get repetitive!


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3418 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

you'd have to dump a bucket of cold water in me if they even decided to come to PVD. As awesome as that would be, I'd think they would go right to BOS.

Having said that, there is always a small chance. PVD has 'OK' numbers to both the bay and the basin and ZERO nonstop competition AND the ability to draw a little traffic from the BOS area. The other X-factor is that the current O&D numbers to those markets from PVD are highly supressed due to heavy leakage to BOS - Virgin could easily be the cause for many of those pax to use PVD instead of treking up to Logan. Now that WN has shown their hand in terms of not doing much long haul flying, Virgin could take some comfort there since the likes of UA, AA, and/or DL won't touch PVD-Cali with a ten foot pole either.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9332 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 15):
Having said that, there is always a small chance. PVD has 'OK' numbers to both the bay and the basin and ZERO nonstop competition AND the ability to draw a little traffic from the BOS area. The other X-factor is that the current O&D numbers to those markets from PVD are highly supressed due to heavy leakage to BOS - Virgin could easily be the cause for many of those pax to use PVD instead of treking up to Logan. Now that WN has shown their hand in terms of not doing much long haul flying, Virgin could take some comfort there since the likes of UA, AA, and/or DL won't touch PVD-Cali with a ten foot pole either.

I'd venture to say BDL has a better chance than PVD for new service.


User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
So.... Common unserved destinations from both cities are;
CHI, DEN, SEA, ATL, DFW, MIA/FLL, PDX, PHL PHX, MCO

I doubt ATL. Aren't they short of gates anyway? Isn't that why Air Tran has been deferring orders? Hopefully in the midwest. More likely, it seems, BOS



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4706 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 16):
I'd venture to say BDL has a better chance than PVD for new service.

PVD and BDL dont compete... PVD and BOS do ( to an extent).

PVD can service probably abour 35-40% of the BOS catchment area with the same level of airport (not service/nonstop) convenience as BOS. This will increase once the train station opens.

BDL has a lrge independant catchment area, but is not a convenient alternative for BOS or NYC (if those are your destinations).



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9246 times:

First of all, VX, at least so far, has not been shy about entering highly competitive and well-served routes. Second, they have certainly not taken a "SkyBus approach" to their route map by going for secondary airports. And finally, we have not seen enough growth and expansion yet to know what kind of route structure they are really developing so I think it's too early to simply say they will serve all kinds of cities from, and only from, SFO, LAX and maybe JFK. (Despite the implications by Reid in the cited-article at the beginning of this thread.)

I've been kind of surprised by their timetable and a/c utilization to this point. From the actual start-up date of 8/08, thru let's say 4 months (early December) they will be serving a total of 5 cities over 7 routes and using 10 a/c (8x 320s and 2x 319s.) In fact, their current 2/12/08 schedule uses a total of 12 a/c (9x 320s and 3x 319s.) Since I don't know their a/c delivery schedule, I have no idea how many additional a/c they will have when these 2 additional cities are added to the network.

It seems like a rather slow start to me. Their actual start-up seemed to take a while longer than it should have also. I just wonder if they are encountering more problems than anticipated or are just being extremely methodical, careful, and low profile.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing them kick it up a few more notches, especially when my city should be on-line soon! Of additional interest will be the reactions of their current and future competition.

bb


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

SAN and MIA are going to be the two new cities IMO.

I'd hope FLL would show up too, or PVD, but I think those are further down the pike.


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9169 times:

Small question to throw in on this thread, where are their A319s that they have (N523/524VA) flying to at the moment, and also, what is the timeframe on bringing N521/522VA back from Skybus?

JSD



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9155 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 20):
SAN and MIA are going to be the two new cities IMO.

...and I hope Virgin connects the 2 cities with a nonstop while they're at it...  Smile

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33179 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9110 times:

Any insiders here know when we might hear an official word? As somebody who flies LAX-MIA monthly, my fingers are crossed.


a.
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9024 times:

I wonder if VX is changing their hiring procedure. The SAN positions were posted on the web site (as were the previous 5 city's job openings) -- and are still there. But no additional city (e.g., MIA or SEA or BOS, etc.) has appeared yet. And Virgin is claiming both cities will be started within 3 months. AND, MAH' reported seeing a MIA address for VX.

I wonder if they are switching to newspaper adds for newer cities (a little less public than the internet?) or at least some other way of getting the word out that they are hiring. Of course maybe they already have a complete staff ready to go in the elusive 8th city...

If they've had SAN posted since mid-August -- and it's still posted -- and plan on starting service in maybe December ("within 3 months") yet the other city to be started in the same time frame has not even been posted yet... It just makes me think... stealth...?

And I have to admit that the thought has occurred to me that maybe SAN is a red herring and they will do something entirely different. (I sure hope not.)

Has anyone out there on A.net seen any other advertising for jobs by VX in your locality? (Especially Miami?)

I'd sure love to be able to snoop around Lindbergh Field and look for any signs of something being installed or changed or remodeled...

One thing is for sure: the suspense of all of this is, stupidly, right up there with a good Ludlum novel (or whomever actually writes them these days since he's been dead for several years now...  Wink )

bb


25 Iaddca : Good to hear about eleVAte. I'll gladly pay a 10-20% premium to fly an LCC that doesn't wipe out your miles in 12 months.
26 SANFan : Oooops, my bad (should have counted using my fingers rather than toes): that should read "5 cities over 6 routes." In any case, bad arithmetic aside,
27 Cubsrule : Just VS, AFAIK. ORD slots wouldn't be hard to get. They're a new entrant, so the FAA will make room. Gates, OTOH, are not so easy to get. MDW has far
28 SANFan : Oh I know. I'm by no means a proponent of furious growth (at the beginning or anytime in an airline's life) but in a case like Virgin's, with all the
29 Post contains images KPDX : Please be PDX...PDX...PDX..PDX Shut up you guys! One can dream.
30 Laxintl : Dont know if it means anything, however UA will be dropping its mainline flying between LAX-PDX in February to be replaced by UAX.
31 Steeler83 : I guess since nobody else posted this, but PIT. US is the only carrier, and with a daily A319. I know they're on the radar screen. I guess if PIT isn'
32 MAH4546 : It will likely be at least three years before they are at PIT. They have a lot of more important markets to cover. Miami, Boston, Chicago, San Diego,
33 ChrisNH : another reason why Boston might be a chosen city: It was one of the finalists for their HQ, way back when. Chris in NH
34 Af773atmsp : Come on Virgin America come to MSP, we need more air service! Wasn't UA going to start MSP-SFO, what was the reason why UA didn't start that route? Si
35 Steeler83 : Well it was worth a shot... They are on the radar screen, but that is the ACAA's words... I suppose that means zilch too, given they'll post anything
36 ERJ170 : What's the largest market WITHOUT SFO service currently? perhaps they will go that route?
37 Post contains images Steeler83 : This is a bit of a sarcastic statement, but with the way things are going for US at PIT, it wouldn't surprise me if they lose the only A319 (only pla
38 MAH4546 : Raleigh is at least 3-5 years away, if ever.
39 ERJ170 : PIT still has service.. doesn't count.. I was just wondering what the largest market was without SFO service.. It was not a "RDU should be next" ques
40 Steeler83 : D'oh! I still say that SFO days of service is numbered. It may have service now, but I don't see it lasting. I think's it's only a matter of time bef
41 MAH4546 : The largest market is RDU, or possibly FLL, but I'm pretty sure it is RDU.
42 Post contains images RICARIZA : I just hope that all your predictions come true! Can't wait to test Virgin America from MIA...
43 AS739X : They have been anything but shy away from competitive routes; SFO-JFK UA/DL/B6/AA w/ CO to EWR LAX-JFK The same SFO-LAS UA/US/WN All very competitive
44 LACA773 : Oh my! I would never have thought UA would drop LAX-PDX. They have flown this for a very very long time. Were the loads just not there anymore? Will
45 LACA773 : Oh my! I would never have thought UA would drop LAX-PDX. They have flown this for a very very long time. Were the loads just not there anymore? Will
46 Laxintl : Becoming Skywest CRJ-700s with the ExPlus product.
47 Post contains images SQ452 : If they went to PVD it would almost be like taking a page out of Southwests or Skybus's playbook (serving Boston WITHOUT serving BOS if you know what
48 JamesJimlb : yes, yes, yes, YES!!!! NO!!!!! i want iah, hou, sea, and mco!
49 Lono : Eh????? Change of certificate...???? please explain
50 Laxintl : Its likely the poster meant that the VX FAA Ops Specs restricts its operating environment to the lower 48 states. If the carrier were want to operate
51 ElmoTheHobo : San Diego and Miami.
52 Flighty : MIA-JFK and MIA-LAX and MIA-SFO are premium markets. Virgin is a premium airline. So they must serve MIA from its existing points. Agreed. Big premium
53 ConcordeBoy : IINM, wasn't their original intention to have their HQ in New York, but their hub in San Francisco? What became of that-- as it seemed to hold until
54 Laxintl : The three finalist cities were Boston, San Francisco and Washington DC (Herndon). At the end of the day SFO won out based on economic incentives from
55 ERJ170 : Huh? less pax but more O&D? how is that so?
56 Copaair737 : I would imagine Sioux Falls would be in line to get service. FSD and RDU...both at the front of the line I'd say. (end sarcasm)
57 ConcordeBoy : easy, though I'm somewhat shocked I'd have to explain this to you.... RDU has significantly more transfer pax than ya might think. Even MSY is not a
58 ERJ170 : Okay.. I must be crazy or having a brain fart.. but the numbers on faremeasure.com and bts stats are for O&D numbers only.. so whether they connect R
59 Lono : I was not aware that FAA had differing regulations for different states... perhape ETOPs... but that is all I was aware of...
60 Vega : Not really. Less than 9% of all commercial passengers using RDU during 2006 were connecting - i.e., 91+% were O&D.
61 AS739X : What"s the chance of Houston? ASSFO
62 SANFan : Just in case anyone is still in doubt as to the next city to be added by VX, today on the website, in "Careers", a third position for SAN appeared: "A
63 MAH4546 : As one of the next two destinations? Pretty close to zero. In the future, I would think chances are pretty good, but I bet Virgin America starts on t
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