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US Airways Cactus Call Sign Change Over  
User currently offlineBkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 215 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

HI there to all

I have a quick question. Now that US Airways is operating under one certificate, when does the call sign change over to cactus?

Thanks

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User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9314 times:

There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

The FAA has allowed the combined new US Airways to continue to operate with separate callsigns temporarily. Company has not inidicated a firm cutover date to the Cactus callsign yet.


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User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

Remember it was Am West that rescued US Airways. The surviving company name was US but the real company is based in Tempe and is Am West. I like Cactus and think the legacy call sign is a nice fit to a good group of people. US is a menage of varied companies and picking the ONE call sign from them all would be difficult. I would vote for the return of Carolina Blue Piedmont airplanes and call signs but I don't have a vote  Smile


User currently offlineBkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

Lazintl, thanks for the response, and information on what is going to happen! I think they should use cactus, I like it, and it shows what happened since America West is for the most part 95% gone and it is all now US Airways.

User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9233 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

I was under the impression that America West Bought USAirways, but decided to keep USAirways name. I believe that this would mean that America West is the surviving entity, and the original USAirways as a Corporation, no longer exists. Please correct me if I misunderstand the situation.



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 3):
I would vote for the return of Carolina Blue Piedmont airplanes and call signs but I don't have a vote Smile

What was Piedmont's call sign?



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3294 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9102 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

What is the basis of your statement?



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9091 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

"Piedmont" if memory serves....


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9091 times:

By the way, the HP flights still haven't switched over to the USA ICAO code as seen on Flightaware... when is this going to happen?

User currently offlineRW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

Piedmont (Henson) Airlines still uses the "Piedmont" call sign, so it's still out there...


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User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8653 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

It was Piedmont, but they also had one of the best paint schemes IMHO. If would add a photo but my skills are not the greatest with the board. But if you look at the PI scheme on the 767's and the 727's it looked really nice. It had a Carolina Blue cheatline and PIEDMONT in red above the cheatline on the forward fuselage. They also had names for all of their airplanes. They also named their airplanes Pacemankers and had some interesting names attached to them.

PI was a very nice company that always treated me well when I would either jumpseat or travel on a ID discounted ticket. I can say the same about many other carriers including US and AW but PI was a neat company.


User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 3):
Remember it was Am West that rescued US Airways.

Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.


User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8577 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

I thought it was Hansen?


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 5):
I was under the impression that America West Bought USAirways, but decided to keep USAirways name. I believe that this would mean that America West is the surviving entity, and the original USAirways as a Corporation, no longer exists. Please correct me if I misunderstand the situation

You are 100% correct! I hope they keep the cactus call sign.



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User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8374 times:

America West was based in Tempe. The word "Cactus" ws not in the airline's name at all. It merely reflected the airline's southwestern location and heritage. It fit for that reason.

US Airways is now based in Tempe... the southwestern USA, a place characterized by its abundance of cacti. Though I believe that keeping "Cactus" is a nice nod to HP and the past, this callsign also still fits a carrier based in Tempe.



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User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 3):
Remember it was Am West that rescued US Airways.

This isn't exactly right. Nor is the statement 'America West bought US Airways'. In actuality they rescued each other. US was in bankrupcy, and HP was on course for a bankrupcy filing. By agreeing to merge, and using the US bankrupcy as a vehicle to shed unwanted or duplicate assets, investors materialized with capital to fund the merged entity.

The merger agreement included retaining most of the HP management team and making the new company's headquarters Tempe, AZ instead of Arlington, VA. Bruce Lakefield (former US CEO) never had long term plans to run US, as I understand it. He was brought in to save whatever could be saved of the airline.

On the perception that HP bought US:

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.

You are correct to state that saying this will touch a sensitive nerve with a US east pilot. Not only because the statement is false, but also due to the fact that this pilot group feels mis-treated by the combined company. They weren't simply acquired by another airline, putting them at the whim of the purchasing party. They were an equal partner in putting the new and profitable company together. To date, the east pilot group does not feel like their contributions have been fairly rewarded.



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8303 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
There are several other topics on this. It is not a gaurentee that it is going to be cactus. It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists. If they took the USAirways name they should also take the call sign

I tend to disagree. The West guys have adapted to the US Airways name, so the East guys really can adjust to the cactus call-sign. I think it's only fair that the west guys get to keep a little piece of that past.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 5):
I was under the impression that America West Bought USAirways, but decided to keep USAirways name. I believe that this would mean that America West is the surviving entity, and the original USAirways as a Corporation, no longer exists. Please correct me if I misunderstand the situation.

Seems a lot of folks are forgetting this.

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.

Don't tell them anything. They have quit listening.

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 19):
They weren't simply acquired by another airline, putting them at the whim of the purchasing party. They were an equal partner in putting the new and profitable company together. To date, the east pilot group does not feel like their contributions have been fairly rewarded.

I think it's hard to say they were equal partners when East was in bankruptcy. They were and are an important party to the agreement. They are necessary.

"To date, the east pilot group does not feel like their contributions have been fairly rewarded.[/quote]"
And they never will. The days of pay and glory they want are gone for now. Maybe in time crew salaries will come back, but the reality of TODAY is what it is. We ATC types got this message delivered to us last year as well. Pay freeze, new hires on poverty level scales. It sucks, and, the East folks need to get on with things and be a part of the growth that is possible. They could already be getting West scale, be a single Bargaining Unit, and working together on the next contract.

As for the theory HP would have been in bankruptcy before long as well without US,.... possibly. Maybe someone else had plans to take HP the way HP took US. We will never know.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8094 times:

As usual, a conversation about the name diverges into an argument over whether US rescued HP or vice versa.

FACT: using "Cactus" as the call sign only makes sense as a throwback to the old HP, a southwestern airline. It doesn't make sense otherwise for an international airline with the stately name "US Airways" to use Cactus. Does that make it wrong? No. BUt is that going to confuse a lot of people in Zurich? Probably.

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User currently offlinePExDCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8056 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
"Piedmont" if memory serves....

I may be totally mistaken or perhaps having an early memory lapse, but didn't PI (or maybe it was one of their commuters) use something like "Pacemaker" or "Pacesetter" or something like that as a call sign at one point???



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8045 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
BUt is that going to confuse a lot of people in Zurich? Probably.

I doubt it. Not many carriers over there use the company name as the callsign. The "stately" British Airways uses Speedbird. FlyBe uses Jersey.



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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8021 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 1):
It shouldn't be cactus as the airline that used cactus no longer exists.

Um... if memory seves, which sometimes it doen't, HP bought out US, not the other way round.

Also, I think cactus is a disgusting callsign, nearly as bad as critter.

I think US Air is by far better. BTW . . . Speedbird is the best call sign out there.



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User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7995 times:

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
Try and tell that to a USAir pilot.

You can't tell a US pilot anything!  Wink  Smile That is just a joke....I have several good friends that are US pilots. Most of them acknowledge that US was on the ropes of liquidation when Amwest stepped into the white knight role.


User currently offlineSWAOPSusafATC From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 14):
Quoting Whappeh (Reply 6):
What was Piedmont's call sign?

I thought it was Hansen?

Negative "PDT" (Henson flying service) is "Piedmont"


25 Post contains images Travatl : Cactus is totally appropriate for any airline. Like most cockpits, cacti are full of pricks. Sorry, couldn't resist....
26 RW170 : I think they titled their airplanes "Piedmont Pacemaker."[Edited 2007-09-28 23:17:45]
27 IAHFLYR : Bring back the punch, get a Boeing with the Piedmont livery on it and off the Bus, PI never had any Bus.... That is correct, but back in the PI day wa
28 PExDCA : They did, but for some reason I thought they used "Pacemaker" as a call sign too. Like I said, I could be wrong... it has happened before!
29 Chris133 : Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe "Piedmont" as a call sign is still used by Piedmont Airlines (flying as US Airways Express based in SBY)
30 OPNLguy : Yes, it is. To recap, again.. In the 1980s.. Piedmont-Piedmont Henson-Henson Piedmont goes into USAir(ways) Henson takes the Piedmont callsign at som
31 Srbmod : While the merger was a reverse merger (the buyer takes the name and associated marks of the company they're buying), keeping the Cactus call sign inst
32 Freshlove1 : True but HP no longer exists it is now US Airways. If HP still existed then the airline would be called America West not US Airways. If your gonna ta
33 Sh0rtybr0wn : Yes Cactus is a much cooler name and all the HP pilots are attached to it etc. But isnt it better to have a USAIR call sign on USAirways planes? This
34 Cactus739 : Please indulge all of us who live in the desert southwest what is *disgusting* about Cactus being used as a callsign?
35 N710PS : I cannot think of anything really. It might suck to fall or sit on one though. Now that might be painful and disgusting though.
36 CactusHP : Then by using your logic, using "Air Shuttle" as a call sign for Mesa Airlines should not be used, since the name itself can be confusing. Air Traffi
37 Maverick623 : You're comparing apples to oranges. The airline took the US Airways name because it will have more recognition as a national carrier with consumers.
38 PHXmd80 : Acutally you're wrong. It was a complete buy out of US Airways stock by America West Holdings, the parent company of HP. America West Holdings then m
39 Putnik : What about embracing "U-S-CACTUS" call sign and try to make everyone happy? That could be a win-win solution...
40 Jmc1975 : You gotta be kidding! Two syllable callsigns are always better than three. The pilots who have a problem with it need to find another job that'll pay
41 Post contains images Ouboy79 : I love these who bought who arguments. Everything that has been stated is part of the truth, so you really have to take all comments and put them toge
42 Vega : Any other than the above explained historical timeline is incorrect. I and a few others have presented proving references and explanations on a-net r
43 BOSSAN : How about changing the callsign to something new? Names from the past: Smiley (PSA) Allegheny Mohawk Lake Central MetroJet Names from current services
44 Post contains images SPREE34 : Recognizable to who? PAX don't know and don't care. ATC could care less as long as they answer. Bingo! Thus, "Speedbird, Citrus, AmTran, Longhorn, Mi
45 Post contains images EA CO AS : Oh thank God - the voice of logic and reason also points out that people buy tickets based on callsigns...
46 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Cactus is one the most recognizable radio telephony labels ever! AWE as controllers would see on their display or flight strips was a soothing of the
47 WesternA318 : Ahh... He who haveth the money (or HADeth the money) maketh the rules....
48 USA9195 : Why oh why another thread about the stinking call sign? It will be what it will be when it is announced from corporate. Lets end these discussions ab
49 AlexPorter : When are they going to use one ICAO code? I thought that would happen when the certificates merged, but the west flights are still coded as AWE.
50 Freshlove1 : No I am saying if your gonna take the US Airways name for your company then keep the whole package, call sign and all. The customers don't give a rat
51 Post contains images N353SK : Hence the USair and Cactus callsigns .....
52 N710PS : The ego of west pilots over the merger and contract is amazing. If any of those guys had more than a few rocks and cells mixed together upstairs about
53 AlexPorter : So callsign necessarily equates with ICAO code, but certificates don't?
54 HPRamper : Recognizable to whom? ATC? If ANY pilots really care about this as an issue, then they are more pathetic than I previously thought. Total bull.
55 N353SK : Yes, USA as it appears on radar is "US air" and AWE is "Cactus" for ATC purposes
56 Mcdu : Does British Airways have a "speedbird" on the side of their airpalnes? Does South African have a "springbok" on theres? How about a "Citrus" on the
57 Post contains links BOSSAN : It's changed into the "speedmarque", but that ribbon on the side of the plane is the descendant of the Speedbird. All of Pan Am's aircraft were named
58 Sh0rtybr0wn : Those were the old days. Everything is different now. America West had slightly over a hundred "Cactus" call sign jets, Usairways had hundreds of USA
59 Post contains images SPREE34 : ATC could care less, anywhere in the world.
60 Burnsie28 : how about a combined call sign, US Cactus.
61 Mcdu : Right but the poster was looking for a literal parallel between what is written on the aircraft and the call signs. While the ribbon and the previous
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