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AA To End Elite Status Bonus For BA Flights  
User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Haven't seen this yet on A.net:

Effective March 1st, 2008, AA won't offer elite status bonuses on BA flights. If an AA codeshare, there is no change. It doesn't look like the bonus changes with any other One World members as of right now:

http://www.aa.com/elitestatusbonus

[Edited 2007-09-28 15:47:52]

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11976 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Another cheap devaluing of the product. AA knows that their product is just no match for BA's, especially up front, and thus they know that if they give their members the ability to get status bonuses on BA - especially if they are about to allow AAdvantage earn/burn across the Atlantic ex-London - nobody will fly AA any more!

Real smart strategy, AA: limit the amount of places you fly to in Europe under the guise that you are strategically choosing to distribute passengers across Europe via codeshares, but then take away one of the only major incentives left for your customers to book with you and your codeshare partners versus other U.S. airlines that can get them to their European destination nonstop!

I'm starting to think that AA's management just enjoys giving Trans-Atlantic business to Delta and Continental.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

AA's product across the Atlantic is still superior to CO and DL's (they actually still have 3-class aircraft making the hop), and that will only improve with a solidified post-open skies alliance with BA. Not to mention that oneworld incentives are still much better than Star Alliance or SkyTeam, and AA rewards are much easier to redeem than CO or DL's.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
solidified post-open skies alliance with BA

But I don't see how this matters if AA members can't earn medallion miles on BA. If I'm a biz traveler paying attention to my requalification, I just requested a status match and moved my business to Skyteam (AF and KL give me the same connections) or Star Alliance (same for Lufthansa).

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Not to mention that oneworld incentives are still much better than Star Alliance or SkyTeam


What are the better incentives?

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
AA rewards are much easier to redeem than CO or DL's.

Based on? I don't have data that proves the converse but I had struggled for 2 years to dump my AA miles on flights to Europe that I finally just transferred them to Hilton Honors. Amazingly, Delta was a walk in the park to book a trip.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11976 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
AA's product across the Atlantic is still superior to CO and DL's (they actually still have 3-class aircraft making the hop)

No doubt about it, but saying that AA's product to London is better than CO or DL isn't saying much when compared with BA, which is pretty much at the top of global airlines in terms of onboard product and service levels. Measured against that yardstick (and, indeed, that is the opportune yard stick as AA and BA are pretty much the biggest players from the U.S. to London, along with Virgin), AA's offerings are pretty embarrassing.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
that will only improve with a solidified post-open skies alliance with BA

I agree with that - there really isn't anywhere for AA's product to go but up, since it has been so cut back in the last six years. I am hopeful that perhaps AA may in the near future begin to restore some of what has been cut.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
AA rewards are much easier to redeem than CO or DL's.

Again I agree, however, at some point, the question must be asked: if AA continues to insist on sending all of its Europe-bound customers not going to major cities onto BA codeshare connections over London, while CO and DL can get them to said cities nonstop, and AA is now reducing the incentive for people to book with AA and said codeshares, what really benefit is there now to flying AA to Europe? Now, I have argued at length with others here on A.net about the divergent AA vs CO/DL strategies regarding Europe: and I stand by what I have said in the past, that neither is better or worse, just different. I am not suggesting that AA become DL and starting adding flights to just about every landing strip east of the Prime Meridian that can handle a 757 or 767. However, AA is going to have to do a bit better than reducing FF incentives if they are going to be able to continue to convince their loyal customers to take connections over Heathrow (and we all know how fun that can be) when they could be going right to their final destination on competitors.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Well that sucks....
Surely all AA needs to do is say that you dont get miles on BA flights across the atlantic to North America. That way people will still need to travel on AA to get the miles on competing flights and other BA flights are still avaiable for Elite Status Bonus...

AA surely are being the biggest pain in the arse!!


User currently offlineJonnyWishbone From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

I personally feel the two airlines are a million miles apart in terms of service and they always will be, because air travel in the US is like catching a bus, except more stressful!

I arrive at ORD changing to a first class AA onward flight and find that as a One world emerald, I have to buy a drink in the lounge, which is like getting into Alcatraz in the first place. You lucky buggers get to go in the BA First lounge for onward connections in London and quaff free champagne like it's going out of fashion.

I think AA and US airlines in general need to take a long hard look at the rest of the world and realise that other people are giving consumers a much pleasanter experience and with cross fertilization of FF schemes, the true flyers will soon go elsewhere: $ 4000 for a JFK-LHR ticket on both AA in that 'new' dreadful 1990s throwback J Class or BA's Club World, especially when you will eventually earn points too?

It's FAR from being One World, is it not!??


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Not to mention that oneworld incentives are still much better than Star Alliance

Having a laugh aren't you? Oneworld incentives suck compared to Star  Smile




Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

I wonder why this decision was made. I'm not so sure it was a AA decision alone, BA could have been a factor as well.

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 6):
I think AA and US airlines in general need to take a long hard look at the rest of the world and realise that other people are giving consumers a much pleasanter experience

Too bad, get over it. I have a feeling that this is where the airline industry is heading worldwide with time...  Sad


User currently offlineJonnyWishbone From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Quoting 44k (Reply 8):
Too bad, get over it. I have a feeling that this is where the airline industry is heading worldwide with time...

In a way, I agree, but at the end of the day, when you pay top dollar for a flight, you expect a certain level of service both on and off the ground, something I never feel I get when you compare a 'legacy' american airline to an Asian airline or BA.

You pay 30 bucks to fly anywhere, you takes your choice and live with your decision, it's not that dissimilar on our beloved Ryanair!  banghead 


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
AA's product across the Atlantic is still superior to CO and DL's

- didn't quite notice that. But AA is absolutely unique in F/As being rude and unfriendly, even to kids. Had similar experience only in old Soviet SU (on flights with crews from outside Latvia - Latvians were "Europe" even by then, so my first intra-US flight experience, with AA, was quite a shocking downgrade  Smile).

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 6):
the two airlines are a million miles apart in terms of service

- you can't talk about "difference in service" while "service" can be applied only to one of them  Wink.

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 6):
AA and US airlines in general need to take a long hard look at the rest of the world

- well, as for UA, DL, CO - they are just pretty average, nothing outstanding, but not bad at all - I'd even take any of them rather than LH (based not only on my experience with the latter). But, overall, I hope they will have to "take a long hard look" with open skies.


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2264 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Quoting 44k (Reply 8):
Too bad, get over it. I have a feeling that this is where the airline industry is heading worldwide with time...  

Not if BA,LH, and other foreign carriers recent upgrades are an indication. They are getting better, and with few exceptions, the US carriers are getting grungier.

SPREE34
BA Executive Club Member



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineJonnyWishbone From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

I was expecting a deluge of defence towards the US carriers, I can believe you are actually siding with Jonny Foreigner here!!!

 biggrin 


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 12):
you are actually siding with Jonny Foreigner here!!!

C'mon, yo... we here adore that ol' good European stuff  Smile (however, European cars, still better than average lousy American ones, are getting worse from value-for-price point... quite a disappointment! Happily, we have third player, Japan - by far No 1 by all measures. But then, aren't Asian airlines bettter too  Wink?)


User currently offlineBOSSAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 5):
Surely all AA needs to do is say that you dont get miles on BA flights across the atlantic to North America.

That has been the case since AA and BA began codesharing, as the DOT decision in 2003 allowing them to share codes specifically excluded US-London routes.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
and AA is now reducing the incentive for people to book with AA and said codeshares

The original post states that AA codeshares on BA metal are not affected:

Quoting RafflesKing (Thread starter):
Effective March 1st, 2008, AA won't offer elite status bonuses on BA flights. If an AA codeshare, there is no change.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

This is a blessing in disguise. BA and AA frequent fliers currently cannot earn miles on routes where the two compete. This is the first step towards changing this, and while it is a shame that we won't be able to get the extra few thousand miles, I'll still take BA over AA.

User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Real smart strategy, AA: limit the amount of places you fly to in Europe under the guise that you are strategically choosing to distribute passengers across Europe via codeshares

BA probably have a hand in it. If not all the hand. My understanding is that the miles earned on partners are at the whim of that airline, this is why you see anomalies in miles earning tables. BMI Diamond Club members earn 3x miles on the majority of Star Alliance carriers in First, yet SQ is only 2x.

Either way if you look at it from the other side of the coin, BA elites don't earn any elite bonuses unless flying QF or BA.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 5):
Surely all AA needs to do is say that you dont get miles on BA flights across the atlantic to North America.

Errr, hate to break it to you but they don't. AA members can earn BA miles on flights between London and Canada/Mexico but not USA.

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 6):
I arrive at ORD changing to a first class AA onward flight and find that as a One world emerald, I have to buy a drink in the lounge

That shouldn't be the case. For one, at ORD you should have used the Flagship Lounge with its open bar, and as a oneworld Emerald (you've mentioned you're a BA Gold before) they should give you drinks chits if you go to Admirals Clubs.

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 7):
Having a laugh aren't you? Oneworld incentives suck compared to Star

Eh? *A Gold is only roughly equivalent to oneworld Sapphire (I don't know enough about Skyteam). As a Star Alliance Gold and oneworld Emerald myself I get greatly improved benefits flying on oneworld airlines than I do within Star Alliance.

As a BA Gold I get to use First Class checkin internationally, use of First Class lounges flying oneworld, use of BA lounges even when I'm not flying oneworld...plus other niceties like massages at LHR/JFK when flying longhaul etc etc.

I don't get any of that as a *A Gold. Admittedly *A Gold can get some of these and other good benefits but only if you're LH Hon Circle, SQ PPS Solitaire and that is only a very small percentage of *Gs. To rub salt in the wound at major hubs I'd say only a handful of *A Gold lounges come close to even the most average oneworld Business Class lounge. Compare a UA RCC at ORD with any of the Terraces at LHR, or the Wing at HKG...light years apart.

Quoting RIX (Reply 10):
But AA is absolutely unique in F/As being rude and unfriendly, even to kids.

A gross generalisation. With so many thousands of FAs to label any airline as having rude and unfriendly FAs is crass at best. I've had some of the very best FAs I've had on any flight onboard AA, and I've flown BA in every class of service from UK Domestic to Concorde. I've had some rude, unfriendly and uninterested FAs on every carrier I've flown....except Liat!   

[Edited 2007-09-30 01:35:05]


"My first job was selling doors, door to door, that's a tough job innit" - Bill Bailey
User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 16):
A gross generalisation.

- I had enough flights with both to have my opinion, man. I don't want to go to details what exactly happened each time I refer to. But it was worth to be called unique. You had nice experience with one airline and bad with another, and vice versa - me too. But what I'm talking about is exactly what I mean. Having flown with about 30 airlines, having some quite negative experience with many of them, I still know what I mean when I say what I say about that particular one. Still, I would fly with them again, no black lists for me - just because I don't generalize.

Cheers!


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 16):
To rub salt in the wound at major hubs I'd say only a handful of *A Gold lounges come close to even the most average oneworld Business Class lounge.

This is 100% true. I had the "pleasure" of being invited into *A lounges and find the oneworld ones much better as a general rule.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
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