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Cancun Start-up Airline To Lease 4 BAe 146-200s.  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Quest Airlines or Ka' an Beel Air (Mayan for Skywalker), will lease 4 BAe 146-200s aircraft to launch operations in 2008. The airline will fly charter and schedule flights, and will concentrate its operations in the Yucatan peninsula, Central America and the Caribbean. Flights to more Latin American countries are a possibility in the future.

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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

Any word on routes....a BZE-CUN 4Xweekly would be nice especially if times to some european deaprtures and a departer to HAV.....lots of BZE-HAV traffic..all drive to CUN from BZE right now....


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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Yes, I always thought the " Ruta Maya " ( Mayan Route ), a multinational tourism marketing and promotion project by Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, needed a dedicated airline. Every single airline, until now, has been neglecting the true potential of this magnificent project.

Cancun has a great potential to become the " hub of the Caribbean ". Just hope this new airline really develops an adequate and successful marketing and sales strategy.

Only thing I don´t like, is the BAe 146s. They´re quite expensive to operate, from what I know, unless, of course, Quest had secured a bargain leasing tag for the frames.

All the best to Quest !!!

Best regards



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User currently offlineMach3 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Just whats needed south of the border! Another HOOKER of the Airways!


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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Thanks for the heads-up, Juventus.

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
will concentrate its operations in the Yucatan peninsula, Central America and the Caribbean. Flights to more Latin American countries are a possibility in the future.

Lots of potential there. As per Boeing, air transportation in Latin America will grow at 5.5% per year during the next twelve years. This growth rate is second only to that of China.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 2):
Only thing I don´t like, is the BAe 146s. They´re quite expensive to operate,

They are. A new start-up with old a/c - not good from a marketing perspective... If governmental support is available, they should shoot for ERJs (145, 170s, 190s).

Quoting Mach3 (Reply 3):
Another HOOKER of the Airways

And your point is...?

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User currently offlineMach3 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

_AD if you can't read between the lines you need help!


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting XA744 (Reply 2):
Only thing I don´t like, is the BAe 146s. They´re quite expensive to operate, from what I know, unless, of course, Quest had secured a bargain leasing tag for the frames.

I would imagine they are picking up the 146's at a fraction of what they would pay for a newer aircraft. I personally like the 146, and it may just be the ticket for them to fly into harder to reach places that say a 757 could not fly into. I wonder if they might be looking at the AVRO's that NWA just dropped, or perhaps they are looking at AWACS 146's they retired. Great airplane, and certainly a treat for the eyes of our neighbors down south of us.



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User currently offlineCGOJZ From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 6):
I wonder if they might be looking at the AVRO's that NWA just dropped, or perhaps they are looking at AWACS 146's they retired. Great airplane, and certainly a treat for the eyes of our neighbors down south of us.

All four aircraft are from the Canadian leasing firm Avmax, and are ex-Jazz, having been withdrawn from service in 2005.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 6):
I would imagine they are picking up the 146's at a fraction of what they would pay for a newer aircraft. I personally like the 146, and it may just be the ticket for them to fly into harder to reach places that say a 757 could not fly into

Good point. But also, I don't think any airline can fill up anything bigger than 737 in that region. An airplane the size of the BAe 146 is good enough for flights between Cancun and Central America.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 2):
Yes, I always thought the " Ruta Maya " ( Mayan Route ), a multinational tourism marketing and promotion project by Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, needed a dedicated airline. Every single airline, until now, has been neglecting the true potential of this magnificent project.


Agree. And after Chiche Itza was named one of the wornders of the world, the Mayan tourism potential will only increase. Good luck to this new venture.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3765 times:
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I remember when i stayed in Cozumel in 1992...

My flight from Europe was an Spanair 767-300 directly from Barcelona and to Cancun. From there, we board in an Aerocozumel Fairchild F-27.

The flight was short and interesting but very noisy.

Will be very interesting to see these planes operating from CUN to CZM, if this route is planned for this new start-up airline...

Gerard



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1315 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 9):
Will be very interesting to see these planes operating from CUN to CZM, if this route is planned for this new start-up airline...

Would be a short flight and would compete with ferrys, but perhaps connecting tourists would generate revenue.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 4):
They are. A new start-up with old a/c - not good from a marketing perspective

If the aircraft are in good condition I don't forsee much of a problem. Click operates with Fokkers, no problems there. However, from what I know, BAe's are awfully expensive to operate, high CASMs.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 11):
from what I know, BAe's are awfully expensive to operate, high CASMs.

That's the rumor, and I tend to agree. 4 engines for an airplane that size, WOW

Another question, which routes in this area can support an 85 seat airplane?? perhaps

CUN-BZE
CUN-GUA
CUN-HAV
CUN-SJO


User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3641 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
Another question, which routes in this area can support an 85 seat airplane??

I run a travel agency in Cancun which is even quoted in the Lonely Planet so I get plenty of enquiries particularly from backpackers.

From my experience of almost 5 years at the helm here in Cancún, the routes requiring attention are Cancun-Belize, Cancun-Flores-Guatemala, Cancun-Tuxtla Gutierrez (today, for example, the single non-stop by Aeromar ATR was fully booked and ditto for tomorrow Sunday !), Cancun-Roatan and Cancun-Veracruz.
Cancun to Guatemala services, as a side note, require skilful marketing and the right type of fares. In October 2003 we had Tikal Jets trying to compete with TACA's rather poor service and the airline folded less than a couple of years later. Guatemalan taxes and airport charges are a big deterrent... makes more sense for the new airline to get Guatemalans fly to the beaches and night life of safe Cancun than foreigners flying to Guatemala as most opt for a bus ride at a fraction of the cost.

As a matter of fact, there is a tremendous potential for feeder international traffic from Campeche, Villahermosa, Tuxtla and Veracruz (international tickets to the USA and Europe are usually more affordable from Cancun than from Mexico City which is where the people from these cities usually head for) if they play it smart and at the right level of fares. Equally for Belize and Honduras (international services to Europe, for example, are rather poor or non-existant).

I am very eager to welcome this new airline and wish it well. We have had a share of terrible experiences with the likes of AeroCancún and Allegro in the past ten years. Perhaps this time the lessons have been learnt and the obvious market niches available are more carefully and successfully exploited !

Greetings from Cancun !


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