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American MD-80 Lands At STL With Engine Fire  
User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2770 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19600 times:

Just on the news. No injuries reported, nothing serious.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=130669



[Edited 2007-09-28 21:34:25]


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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19600 times:

Yeah, I saw it on CNN. if I was on the ground and saw flames coming from the plane while in the sky, I would freak out...but it landed safely.


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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19566 times:

What caused the fire? Any major damage to a/c. Anything that would cause retirement?


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19538 times:

Heard on the news that it was large turkey vulture ingested into the engine. No confirmation yet.

User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19528 times:
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Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 2):
What caused the fire? Any major damage to a/c. Anything that would cause retirement?

It would depend on if it was a birdstrike, or something else internally that went wrong with the engine. It looked like there was some burn marks on the top and bottom of the engine cowling after the foam disappeared from the plane as I saw on CNN. Looks like the #1 engine is the only part damaged.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19418 times:

CNN said 142 folks on board.

Alex



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19402 times:

Glad to hear that everyone is okay. Looking at that picture, there doesn't seem to be any emergency slides deployed.
I wondered if the fire-rescue vehicles started foaming the aircraft before the plane was completely stopped.
The aircraft looks intact & repairable, but looks can be deceiving. Again, Thank God there were no serious injuries. Just a bad scare.
Regards.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19331 times:

It was STL-ORD, engine caught fire and/or ingested something on climbout.


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2770 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19296 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 7):
It was STL-ORD, engine caught fire and/or ingested something on climbout.

Yep AA1400

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19238 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 6):
Glad to hear that everyone is okay. Looking at that picture, there doesn't seem to be any emergency slides deployed.

Procedures vary, but the first task is to assess the danger to the pax. If deplaning is more dangerous than staying aboard, they stay aboard. Fire crews are trained to assess this, and considering the nature of the event, looks like they made the right call!  Smile  bigthumbsup   goldmedal   praise   relieved   santahat 

PS - I don't know why I threw Santa in there. I think it's because I'm making holiday plans already...



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18984 times:

At least that new runway is good for something. Emergency landings.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18815 times:

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 12):
NBC implies something is wrong with this a/c, because it was involved in another completely unrelated incident four years ago...

Yes, they love to "link" things, even if they're completely dissimilar events. Hell, even if the previous incident had also been a birdstrike, what would the point have been, that there's some ee-vil conspiracy by the birds to attack this one lone AA MD-80?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5600 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18674 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 14):
that there's some ee-vil conspiracy by the birds to attack this one lone AA MD-80?

SeaBosDca News has learned that a Middle Eastern-looking man was seen animatedly talking to a pigeon near STL, apparently after discovering a suspicious white and brown object on his new car. Based on this information, SeaBosDca News believes it is possible that STL birds are linked to al-Qaeda. While we have no evidence that al-Qaeda caused today's birdstrike, we urge all STL flyers to be aware of local avian activity, and to report anything even slightly suspicious to the Department of Homeland Security.

 sarcastic  wink 


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18658 times:

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 15):
SeaBosDca News has learned that a Middle Eastern-looking man was seen animatedly talking to a pigeon near STL, apparently after discovering a suspicious white and brown object on his new car. Based on this information, SeaBosDca News believes it is possible that STL birds are linked to al-Qaeda. While we have no evidence that al-Qaeda caused today's birdstrike, we urge all STL flyers to be aware of local avian activity, and to report anything even slightly suspicious to the Department of Homeland Security.

I guess that makes it official then---the DHS is for the birds...  duck 


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18658 times:

Anyone got a tail # yet?


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User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18628 times:

If it was a birdstrike, fine. But, I still try to avoid those MD-80s. It seems like every time my flight is delayed for a technical problem, it is on an MD-80.

User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18627 times:
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I have always suspected that the birds were out to get us humans!!!! What more proof do we need than this? If our leadership doesn't mobilize our military might our 'fowl' friends immediately.....then I fear for the survival of our species!

User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 626 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18564 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 17):
Anyone got a tail # yet?

N454AA



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9408 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18492 times:

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 12):
NBC implies something is wrong with this a/c, because it was involved in another completely unrelated incident four years ago...



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 14):
Yes, they love to "link" things, even if they're completely dissimilar events. Hell, even if the previous incident had also been a birdstrike, what would the point have been, that there's some ee-vil conspiracy by the birds to attack this one lone AA MD-80?

Yes. KSDK is totally implying something is wrong with the plane.

As matter of fact, it even says "there must be something wrong with this plane because a few years ago, it was involved in an incident at JFK Airport a few years ago." I'm sitting here reading it myself. And Kay Quinn even read it during the 5pm news. I called the producers myself to make sure she reads it at the 6 and that Deanne Lane has it in the 10pm and all the cut ins.

Funny thing is if they wouldn't have brought it up first, someone else here would have, and that would have been perfectly ok.



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18481 times:

454 is having a bad life lately, 454 was the airplane that the nose gear did not extend and had to make a nose gear up landing in EWR.

David



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User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18447 times:
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NBC in Chicago went out of there way to point out that there is nothing wrong with the MD80 and that despite the fact that the plane is 20 years old...they are overhauled regularly and engines are switched from aircraft to aircraft and that nothing should be read into this situation.....pretty fair report, if you ask me.

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18384 times:

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 23):
and engines are switched from aircraft to aircraft

Is that an FAA approved procedure?


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9408 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18363 times:

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 23):
pretty fair report, if you ask me

what a shame. from above posts sounds completely opposite from the end of the world as we saw above. although I must say, perhaps doing an in depth report about airlines that still have planes flying that were involved in accidents, or worse yet, employees who were involved in accidents with those planes that are *gasp* still working.

i mean, really, might as well, right?

i think Texas is a great place to start with the search. three airlines in one state and one grand old time for a Thursday at ten.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18386 times:

Quoting TheSilverBirds (Reply 10):
If this had happened to a B6 flight this thread would have reached 150+ posts already and the news coverage would be live outside Barger's office... Unbelievable...

Not any more. They are no longer the media darlings. Amazing what a few quarters of losses, some nasty cancelations, and a new, "hipper" entrant to the market can do to your status.

Now, if VX had this issue, the media would have jumped on it...  Wink

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 19):
I have always suspected that the birds were out to get us humans!!!! What more proof do we need than this?

I saw a documentary about this a while back. It was called "The Birds" by some guy named Al Hitchman or something, and it showed how birds attacked and killed people in some town or something.  Wink



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18373 times:

Quoting Rj777 (Reply 24):
Is that an FAA approved procedure?

Of course it is....  Wink

Assuming the engine was damaged, they'll truck another one into STL, drop the old one, and install the new one, plus make any other needed repairs (cowl, etc.). The damaged engine will get trucked to their overhaul facility, and will eventually be ready for re-use on another aircraft.


25 Post contains links LVHGEL : form the article: "NBC News has learned that the same jet was involved in an incident at JFK Airport in New York in 2003. In that incident, the plane
26 Post contains images OPNLguy : I hear this aircraft had a flat tire once too... No jinxes....
27 Post contains images FlyMD : Now, if they would only have another 300 or so MD-80 bird strikes we can consider getting some new domestic aircraft here out of ORD! :D
28 Post contains images Indy : The great birdie jihad continues lol. Bad week for the MD products. A DL jet lost an engine a few days ago in IND. It caught fire on taxi to the runwa
29 Post contains images PC12Fan : Saw on the news where passengers were angered by the fact that no announcement was made for about 5 minutes after the issues started. Well want do you
30 Post contains images Mattbna : " target=_blank>http://www.ksdk.com/news/gallery/pho...30682 . . There are photos of that incident on a.net that (surprisingly) no one has posted in h
31 LY204 : Glad to hear it was a safe ending for everyone...that being said, it's yet another AA technical mishap. There are lots of AA loyalists on here, but A
32 OPNLguy : I'd beg to differ, and I work for one of their competitors. This kind of event could have happened (and does) to numerous aircaft types of different
33 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : hehe, i like that one..
34 Post contains images BDL2STL2PVG : [quote=TVNWZ,reply=11]At least that new runway is good for something. Emergency landings. Looks like they landed on 30R, which is now the "middle" run
35 BDL2STL2PVG : Another factor is the fact that AA has 300-350 of these, even with the same percentage of issues there's a much greater chance it woudl be an AA Mad
36 UAL747 : I've never had a problem on an AA MD-80, though my mom and my sister were going to join me in Hartford for a horse show and they flew out a few days l
37 PC12Fan : Incorrect. They landed on 30L, the longest runway. Which additionally, is really the "middle runway". 30R is the northern most runway. It's used more
38 ATLAaron : Isn't this two days in a row for an AA MD80? I thought I read there was an engine failure yesterday at CMH. Not saying it's a big deal or anything jus
39 TrijetsRMissed : I don't remember an AA MD-82 ever having an uncontained engine failure where the blades penetrated the cabin... Seriously guys, there is no AA MD-80
40 44k : No, that was smoke in the cockpit. A minor issue as it turned out.
41 777fan : Bwahahaha! I think the reason this thread hasn't jumped to the 150 mark is because it seems like there's a MD-80 incident every other day. AA needs t
42 Ikramerica : You warn them and you warn them, but the pilots keep smoking in the cockpit!
43 ATLAaron : I've been on many AA and DL MD's and never had a maintenance delay . . . however it seems every time I am on a FL 717 something happens. Moral of the
44 Revo1059 : Worked an MD-80 flight at ORD in the early 90's where on takeoff the center cap on the fan balde on 1 engine came loose and got ingested into the engi
45 Post contains images Atrude777 : The Irony is both flights originated from STL Alex
46 Wingletsman : cool same bird as the nose gear malfuncion in new york years ago :D good job landing it safetly
47 SkyguyB727 : It's true! I've seen them on suicide missions. Those birds would repeatedly fly into the picture window in my old house. Of course, their mission alw
48 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Any ideas? Where have you been the past few years?! I wonder, what in the world will replace the 767, any new capable aircraft out there? Some on thi
49 777fan : Way to mock - I threw that in there to keep it thread-relevant. I have nothing against the MD-80, nor AA but am under the impression like others, tha
50 777STL : Oh I don't know, maybe the 738 orders AA placed and subsequently accelerated not too long that it stated was an interim replacement for the MD80?
51 Wjcandee : Uh...no reason to think that from any meaningful analysis of the data. And when they do break, they're easy to fix. One of the great things about the
52 Boeing767mech : Of the major problems with this airframe N454AA (the nose gear and the engine fire)NONE OF THEM ARE CAUSED BY MAINTANENCE OR LACK OF MAINTANENCE. The
53 Post contains links and images Plunaaircanada : Theres a short video on CNN.com here is the link. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/....evacuations.kmov?iref=videosearch plunaaircanada
54 TrijetsRMissed : I was just kidding. But MD-80 replacement has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards. It's obvious to many that it will be a mix of 738's and the
55 Pilotpip : It landed on 30L. I was sitting on the F pad waiting for my gate to open up while watching/listening as they did a single engine go around (the nose g
56 Ncelhr : Can I just add that the MD-80 is a real workhorse and has the highest number of allowed cycles of all currently used commercial aircraft, which is a
57 TrijetsRMissed : Here in the states we still have the DC-9, which I believe has a max cycle limit of 104k. The MD-80 is, what, 50k? Give or take a little. You are rig
58 777fan : Geeezzz, some of you guys are proving to be more sensitive about this than my wife is about me watching football all weekend long. At no point did I
59 AAR90 : Correct, which is why the MD80 acft receive more maintenance time/effort per airframe than any other AA acft type. Exactly as to be expected. For thi
60 HUbsnotDubs : Where do you guys think all of these airframes will go when the time finally comes?
61 Airbusted : WONDER IF A FIRE ON A REAR ENGINED AIRCRAFT SUCH AS MD82/83 OR 717 WOULD BE EASIER TO CONTAIN GIVEN IT IS NOT SITTING BENEATH THE FUEL TANKS THAN AN U
62 Post contains links and images OPNLguy : Wonder if I might impose on you to de-select your CAPS LOCK key? Thanks... To answer your question, it would depend upon what the cause of the fire wa
63 TrijetsRMissed : How long will this airframe be out of service? AA has some relatively young MD-83's in storage, perhaps one will be recalled?
64 AAR90 : Given its location, I'd guess less than a week.
65 CoolGuy : Wait a minute. So what was the cause again?
66 777STL : The aircraft had a mx issue with a "starter valve" shortly before the flight. Perhaps that had something to do with it. Or it could have been FOD, i.
67 InnocuousFox : Mad Dog Eats Bird - Develops Indegestion
68 Post contains images AAR90 : Nope. The starter valve was replace the day before in DFW. That did not fix the problem and the plane was operating with a maintenance person manuall
69 Post contains images CF6PPE : The quoted paragraph adds new light to the situation. If the "manually operated" start valve is not closed following the successful engine start, the
70 AAR90 : Nice try, but the maintenance man who physically opened the valve must physically close it (and lock it in closed position) PRIOR to closing the nace
71 AAR90 : FWIW, management finally (don't work weekends) put out an email that described the incident as "...engine fire with multiple additional malfunctions i
72 CF6PPE : Hey AAR90, thanks for explaining how its supposed to work.... Hopefully, we will all find out what really happened when the Tulsa techs and others se
73 Post contains images AAR90 : Don't hold your breath. Habitually AA tends to quickly forget about informing its employees with follow-up information.
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