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Southwest...To Europe?!  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12054 times:

Today, I was searching the internet and I stumbled across the Wikipedia WN page. One of the articles I found intresting was


International service
Southwest Airlines has set a goal to begin international services or ticket international flights in 2009. Destinations may include Canada, the Caribbean, and Mexico. In 2010, plans to partner with other carriers for transpacific flights. EUROPEAN SERVICE MAY BE OPERATED BY WN.

Link: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...uthwest-International-Flights.php/

I was shocked! I know they want to provide International service, but i didnt know EUROPE! If they want to begin in 2009 what aircraft will they operate? To Where?

I could see:
CUN,SJU,London City, Paris Orly,NAS,FPO,Aruba,STT, etc...


E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1649 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12011 times:

Although this is interesting, it wouldn't be WN metal. The article states they could sell it through their codeshare with ATA. It would be cool though.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

No, as listen to this Kelly said SOUTHWEST will offer service from Baltimore-Washington International Airport to Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean by 2009 and to Europe soon after, once Southwest completes work on modernizing its computer systems. He made the comments at a BWI business group's annual meeting.


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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11899 times:

Baltimore may also be the jumping point for code share to Europe.

There are several dormant routes to Europe from BWI. They're just
waiting to be flown!

I also believe the State of Maryland would be willing to pony up a
tidy sum of cash to make it happen too.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11693 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
No, as listen to this Kelly said SOUTHWEST will offer service from Baltimore-Washington International Airport to Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean by 2009 and to Europe soon after, once Southwest completes work on modernizing its computer systems. He made the comments at a BWI business group's annual meeting.

Incorrect. From the article you linked:

Quote:
Southwest Airlines Co. is planning to sell seats on ATA Airlines flights from the East Coast to the Caribbean by 2009 and later to Europe, Southwest's CEO told a business group in Baltimore.

Southwest has been upgrading its computerized reservations system for international service on ATA by 2009 for some time. But Chief Executive Gary Kelly's comments Monday appeared to be the most detailed look at the airline's plans for connecting to foreign destinations.

It's just an extension of the codeshare arrangement WN already has with TZ. WN would be selling seats on TZ flights to the Caribbean and eventually Europe. WN flight numbers will be on those flights, but they will not be operating to the Caribbean or Europe.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11629 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
London City

London CIty? In case you are indeed referring to LCY, thats impossible. LCY's runway can't handle tatl flights, plus, i think the largest airliner currently certified for LCY is the A318.


User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11608 times:

WN to Mexico next year with their own aircraft. You heard it here first.

User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

Well it really depends on who Kelly's audience is and his "real" agenda:
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines..._to_add_international_service.html
If ATA is the partner mentioned for the international feed, BWI would be better than PHL mostly because there would be essentially no competition at BWI. On the other hand if WN code shares with a major international carrier, it would more than likely have to be PHL. I can't fathom WN/ATA supporting the complexities of European services from Both BWI and PHL. Starting in April of next year (Open Skies) things could improve internationally for BWI (external to WN/ATA) as European (and U.S.) carriers test the waters of secondary airports


User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
London City

Not with B737's they won't be. It wouldn't be able to land. (Well, it would, but i would bet your ass they'd have to strip it out and use full power for a flight to LHR to get it out again)


User currently onlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11245 times:

Does ATA even have any scheduled trans-Atlantic service anymore?


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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11202 times:

No I dont think TZ does. All their 757s are hawaii or charter along with all other larger trans-atalantic capable a/c.


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User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11158 times:

Well I would definitely believe this except for the source. You do realize that these pages can be edited by ANYBODY? A few days ago I was looking at the page for KBL and it had AA listed for 12 cities when no carrier in their right mind would ever serve any of those routes (Kansas City was one of the listed).

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9181 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Would BWI be the only airport they'd launch service from? I have no qualms with BWI. It would give PIT travelers a much better alternative to European travel over JFK and PHL... and the likes of US...


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11053 times:

I have an actual source Link: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...uthwest-International-Flights.php/ its not wikipedia


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9181 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):

Uh, the link did not work...



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11013 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 9):
Does ATA even have any scheduled trans-Atlantic service anymore?

No. The only transatlantic flights TZ has are the AMC charters to Europe and possibly also the Middle East.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11013 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
ondon City



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 5):
London CIty? In case you are indeed referring to LCY, thats impossible. LCY's runway can't handle tatl flights, plus, i think the largest airliner currently certified for LCY is the A318.



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 8):
Not with B737's they won't be. It wouldn't be able to land. (Well, it would, but i would bet your ass they'd have to strip it out and use full power for a flight to LHR to get it out again)

Additionally, you wouldn't get LCC's landing there.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 14):
Uh, the link did not work...

Try this one:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...uthwest-International-Flights.php/

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 11):
Well I would definitely believe this except for the source. You do realize that these pages can be edited by ANYBODY? A few days ago I was looking at the page for KBL and it had AA listed for 12 cities when no carrier in their right mind would ever serve any of those routes (Kansas City was one of the listed).

See the above link. Yes we all know that Wikipedia is a bastion of inaccurate info, but there are parts of articles that are rooted in truth and are linked to an actually legitimate media article.

[Edited 2007-09-29 05:12:54]

User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 6):
WN to Mexico next year with their own aircraft. You heard it here first.

Yeah....I think so....I think they'll do from Texas....but which airport? DAL is out because of the stupid new AAmendment to Wrong Amendment. HOU is not possible because they don't have FIS (or is that FAS?).

The reason I picked Texas because it's WN's home state. And Texas bordered with Mexico...so no worry about ETOP.

Maybe out of PHX. But my bet is out of Texas first.


User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10739 times:

LAS and LAX could also be good launching points for service to Mexico. I could see a good deal of service to Canada such as YYZ-MDW, BWI, PVD, MCO, STL, MCI

User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10717 times:

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 18):
The reason I picked Texas because it's WN's home state. And Texas bordered with Mexico...so no worry about ETOP.

Maybe out of PHX. But my bet is out of Texas first.

I don't know, CO flies to nearly every dirt strip available in Mexico  Wink from Houston, and AA has okay service from DFW, not to mention the Mexican airlines. Market could be there but more likely from AUS or SAT.

I would just take a wild guess and say WN would go from a farther market first; just a guess.

Ciao,
AWACS


User currently offlineAveugle From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10134 times:

Quoting Vctony (Reply 19):
LAS and LAX could also be good launching points for service to Mexico.

Maybe SAN too? It would be unfortunate for us here in SD to have to fly out of our way to catch a flight to Mexico.

I look forward to WN going to Europe even if it is code share. From the west coast they would definitely need to have some sort of IFE or wifi in place for the trip to be bearable though...


User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

I would not be suprised to see WN proposing to launch MHT-Great Britian flights. MHT being a small (relatively speaking) airport that from WN current markets is closet to Europe. It would probably also cut down on any weight restriction needed to get all the av fuel loaded.

WN would have to work the motions to get ETOPS on the birds selected for these international, overwater routes and there may have to be a reduction in capacity for the fuel, or retro fitting the planes with extended range tanks.

My 0.02cents



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User currently offlineUSAirways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Southwest is smart enough to know, they would never survive in Europe against Ryanair, but Southwest has stated they are not interested in anything outside of the U.S. so they will just the codeshare they have with ATA.


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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

I wonder why nobody puts ISP on "the list" ...

Here in Europe it´s already known that MOL (Michael O´Leary / RYANAIR) is in talks with ISP to serve the NYC-market !
But the big Q is what type of a/c FR will use - since the distance (don´t forget ETOPS) is a bit "stretched" for a 737-800 at MTOW.

Btw.: nobody knows if there are any ties / talks between FR / WN / TZ to set up something ... (it´s not so unlikely as some may believe ! )

Judging the actual situation BWI and ISP are serious candidates on the U.S: side and DUB / SNN / HHN - RYANAIR wise.



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25 Post contains images Cloudyapple : No they wont. The certification is about being able to follow the steep 5.5deg glidepath. No Boeing jets have that ability.
26 Joost : Cloudyapple says it's right, the runway length isn't the main concern. It has a length of 1500m, not terribly long, but long enough for short intra-E
27 USAirALB : How can Canada - PVD work? It would be cool to see it, but Air Canada can barely keep a B190.
28 Jawake : How probable would it be that WN buys TZ? Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time. Call the new fleet, their internaitonal opo
29 USAirALB : Quoting Jawake: How probable would it be that WN buys TZ? Many analysis keeping saying mergers are only a matter of time. Call the new fleet, their in
30 Columba : Subsidiary with 787s ??????
31 Post contains images Jawake : Sorry about the spelling Southwest International Operations
32 IFlyATA : I think you're much more likely to see BWI - Europe then from MHT, PVD or PHL. WN and TZ won't be merging anytime soon, you can take that to the bank.
33 RoyalAtlantis : We NEED some discount carriers here in Vancouver - even the AA flights to DFW are packed for much of the year. UA to ORD, packed. If Southwest could b
34 Post contains images SWALoveField : How many times have people / airlines said that about WN? I'm not saying you are wrong, but WN counts on people / airlines underestimating them. Thei
35 Srbmod : They could afford to do it, but if they were to do it, they would have done it when they had the chance to do it on the cheap. When TZ was in Chapter
36 Post contains images Express1 : correct, Southwest Airlines only have B737s (correct me of i'm wrong) and yes the only airliner curently certified is the A318,so no SWA cannot use L
37 Jawake : Your absolutely right, however, their interest in Europe may only recently developed with the approval of the Open Skies Agreement between Europe and
38 Catdaddy63 : I could see WN taking a majority share in TZ and operating it as a seperate entity. Though I believe they would need something besides the ex NW D10's
39 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Yep. the very agreement that Southwest Airlines co-authored, signed and promoted.
40 N908AW : Funny joke...while they are codesharing, WN could/would never take ATA for their own. Totally different operation.
41 Post contains images StarGoldLHR : ATA has a lot of flights in Europe right now, here's one I took in Krakow on an Army flight. (not sure if it was going to / from US or Iraq/Afghanist
42 Jawake : I am not pushing for this, but here is my reasoning. I know they are a different operation, just like EI is different from FR, yet FR is trying to bu
43 StarGoldLHR : Although people berate FR for all it does.. there's no escaping the airlines sucess. If FR fired half the EI staff Sold the A320's Took over the EI E
44 XT6Wagon : WN had a chance to buy TZ on the cheap. Instead they removed their partial ownership. I very much doubt WN has thought it was a mistake even once. Ri
45 Steeler83 : I would like to see that as well. What is the smallest model of the 787s? It would be sweet to see them with the 757-equivalent version of the 737RS,
46 XT6Wagon : the 788 is the smallest model, but I think it would be just a hair short in room to do 2x 737RS loads. WN's longer pitch burns up floor space. So a 7
47 Steeler83 : Ah ok. I guess I am not sure if WN would want a plane that large to go over seas, as if they'd have any trouble of filling one. However, the majority
48 StearmanNut : LCY can't handle anything larger than a BAE 146. Hardly a bet for Intl service base. Now Luton...
49 Post contains images Srbmod : The A318 and the E-170 are both certified for use into LCY. I doubt an airline would fly from the US to LCY with an A318 or E-170.
50 Post contains images Steeler83 : US to Europe in an E70? Who woulda thought...
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