Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2882 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4765 times:
I was interested to know a little more about NWA's hub at AMS and exactly how it works...
I was interested to know what exact type of aircraft and routes are flown by NWA metal, as it is extremely difficult to differentiate them from KLM flights. Does NWA genuinely base aircraft at AMS, and fly to non NWA hubs in the USA?
Also does NWA fly to any non US destinations from AMS, or is it purely a hub to connect on to the KLM flights to other worldwide destinations?
Does NWA employ Dutch flight crew and cabin staff? Do they also maintain aircraft their?
Im just interested to see how AMS compared to their own US bases like DTW and MSP.
NWA757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 298 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4662 times:
AMS-DTW/MSP/MEM - Mix of 330's and 757's out of DTW.
AMS-BOS/BDL/SEA - BOS operated with 330 and 757. BDL operated with 757. SEA operated with 330.
AMS-IAD/EWR/JFK - KLM and NW take turns using their own metal on these routes. Depending on availability of equipment they will fill in for each other.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4652 times:
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 5): The BOM flight is IIRC the SEA-AMS-BOM-AMS-SEA.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4593 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 7): Well, PHL is rumoured and if it happens will be operated by 752, but I have to see it to believe it.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4506 times:
AMS-BLR was to be flown by NW metal a few years ago but it was cancelled before it started.
No NW aircraft are based in AMS, they all are scheduled in a manner that they routed back through the US. DTW, MSP, & SEA act as A330 bases, and DTW as the 752 TATL base. The other cities act as outstations but the aircraft are rotated back through the hubs every few days.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5979 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4382 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11): Also, I imagine the NW station manager has quite a fun job...and a good working relationship with KLM...
There is no Northwest station manager in AMS, just like there are no KLM station managers in the US. Except for cargo it is all NWA in North America and all KLM in Europe. NWA does have a VP at KLM Hdq and likewise KLM in the US.
Flavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4279 times:
NW use to serve DEL and was looking at starting Chennai, India from AMS before they entered bankruptcy. I hope now with final 330's delivered that they bring back these flights. Personally I would rather see more India flights than Europe, and a round-the-world flight would be great again. BTW the United RTW flight routing was SFO-NRT-HKG-DEL-LHR-ORD-SFO, IIRC.
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2882 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
Can passengers board at AMS to fly on the SEA-AMS-BOM? Even though the route is not non-stop, this must be one of the longest A330 routes operated...
Surprised there is no other routes beyond AMS other than to the USA and India.
NWA refers to AMS as a hub, but it is not really any more than a large station where KLM is the handling agent. American Airlines at LHR has a larger number of rotations between the US and London (17 a day), but they do not go on about it being a hub!
JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4598 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4153 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21): Can passengers board at AMS to fly on the SEA-AMS-BOM? Even though the route is not non-stop, this must be one of the longest A330 routes operated...
Yes, they have full 5th freedom rights.
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21):
NWA refers to AMS as a hub, but it is not really any more than a large station where KLM is the handling agent. American Airlines at LHR has a larger number of rotations between the US and London (17 a day), but they do not go on about it being a hub!
In a sense, it is a hub, since they connect various US cities with BOM. And of course the integration with KL is seamless.
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B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4136 times:
Quoting JRadier (Reply 22): In a sense, it is a hub, since they connect various US cities with BOM.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5979 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4047 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21): NWA refers to AMS as a hub, but it is not really any more than a large station where KLM is the handling agent.
Northwest connects to dozens of KLM flights in AMS to Europe, Africa. and the Mid-East that carry a Northwest flight number.
Northwest and KLM have ATI and split revenue.That is not true of AA at LHR.
AmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4018 times:
Quoting JRadier (Reply 22): Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21):
Can passengers board at AMS to fly on the SEA-AMS-BOM? Even though the route is not non-stop, this must be one of the longest A330 routes operated...
Yes, they have full 5th freedom rights.
It been a while I remember what 5th freedom rights -- does this means NWA can fly anywhere from AMS like Africa, Spain, etc?
Also, did NWA got permission to fly to Iraq? If so, was NWA going to fly into Baghdad from AMS?
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 12): NWA uses the Golden Tulip City North in Amsterdam for all it's crew. NWA has a deal for 266 rooms per day. All crew stay for 1 night before returning home.
Quote: René Buitelaar is the General Manager by it since 1 April jl. open Counted Tulip City North, formerly the Galaxy Hotel to Amsterdam. In the time that the hotel yet the Galaxy was named, was it especially directed on groups of tourists. Now is the Counted Tulip City North mainly directed on the Crew of Northwest Airlines (NWA).
This airline sought a hotel where the entire crew wanted to become housed, in spite of the arrival or the departure. The Counted Tulip City North could this offer and therefore have NWA and the Counted Tulip City North an agreement for increase years closed. NWA rents the entire year through 266 rooms per day. The crew stays the night always 1 night and flies the day after it prevent back to America. Because the hotel with name directed is on the crew of NWA is there also bill loved with the wishes NWA. All rooms are sounds inconvenience court and be foresee for instance of an ironing board. Further have they a 100% darkening because the crew by day sleeps.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3872 times:
Since SRB mod thought that my original post was worthless.
Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 13): NW use to serve DEL and was looking at starting Chennai, India from AMS before they entered bankruptcy
They had to stop flying it because the US governement didn't want US aircraft to overfly Afghanistan after the war started.
Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 18): It been a while I remember what 5th freedom rights -- does this means NWA can fly anywhere from AMS like Africa, Spain, etc?
SilentObserver From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
what is the routing for 332 going in/out of MEM, do they fly a domestic leg to DTW or MSP or simply back to AMS and then to a US base? i have to admit i was a bit surprised when i was at MEM last week and saw a 332... is there a small 332 pilot base at MEM as well?
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Quoting SilentObserver (Reply 22): what is the routing for 332 going in/out of MEM, do they fly a domestic leg to DTW or MSP or simply back to AMS and then to a US base? i have to admit i was a bit surprised when i was at MEM last week and saw a 332... is there a small 332 pilot base at MEM as well?
A330 pilots fly both the -200 & -300.
The A330 crew bases are at DTW, MSP, & SEA. MEM acts a spoke outstation in regards to the A330. There are no scheduled domestic A330 legs, however there were a number of doemestic A330 routes flown this past summer with the shortage of narrowbody crews.
25 SilentObserver: so the crew trips are (something like): Day 1: DTW/MSP/SEA-AMS Day 2: Rest Day 3: AMS-MEM/BOS/EWR Day 4: Rest Day 5: MEM/BOS/EWR-AMS Day 6: Rest Day
26 Steeler83: PIT was also rumored, but as always, this isn't likely... PHL, who knows, it does look good...
27 Viscount724: Since KL and NW have US antitrust immunity they can basically operate as one carrier and agree on capacity, scheduling, pricing, revenue sharing etc.
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