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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3047 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

I was interested to know a little more about NWA's hub at AMS and exactly how it works...

I was interested to know what exact type of aircraft and routes are flown by NWA metal, as it is extremely difficult to differentiate them from KLM flights. Does NWA genuinely base aircraft at AMS, and fly to non NWA hubs in the USA?

Also does NWA fly to any non US destinations from AMS, or is it purely a hub to connect on to the KLM flights to other worldwide destinations?

Does NWA employ Dutch flight crew and cabin staff? Do they also maintain aircraft their?

Im just interested to see how AMS compared to their own US bases like DTW and MSP.

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Also does NWA fly to any non US destinations from AMS

I believe NW flies to India through AMS with full 5th Freedom Rights.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3388 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5248 times:

Here's a list of todays flights operated by NW. You'll see there is one flight going outside the USA, the Bmobay flight.

NW0040 DTW A333
NW0098 BDL B752
NW0042 MSP A333
NW0033 BOM A332
NW0068 DTW A333
NW0034 SEA A332
NW0038 BOS A333
NW0054 DTW A333
NW0046 MSP A333
NW0060 BOS B752
NW0058 MEM A332
NW0036 DTW B752
NW0048 DTW A333
NW0056 MSP A333

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Do they also maintain aircraft their?

KLM does that for them at Amsterdam.



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User currently offlineNWA757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
what exact type of aircraft

757-200s, A330-300/200s

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
routes are flown by NWA metal

AMS-DTW/MSP/MEM - Mix of 330's and 757's out of DTW.
AMS-BOS/BDL/SEA - BOS operated with 330 and 757. BDL operated with 757. SEA operated with 330.
AMS-IAD/EWR/JFK - KLM and NW take turns using their own metal on these routes. Depending on availability of equipment they will fill in for each other.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
does NWA fly to any non US destinations from AMS

AMS-BOM - Operated with 330.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Does NWA employ Dutch flight crew and cabin staff?

No.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Do they also maintain aircraft their?

KLM handles all of NW's maint. and ground support services in AMS. NW does the same for KLM in the US.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17122 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Quoting NWA757300 (Reply 3):
757-200s, A330-300/200s

Which destinations gets the 757 and which gets the A330.

Can we see NWA base more a/c in AMS???.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Can we see NWA base more a/c in AMS???.

NWA doesn't base any aircraft in AMS. The BOM flight is IIRC the SEA-AMS-BOM-AMS-SEA.

KL911


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17122 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
The BOM flight is IIRC the SEA-AMS-BOM-AMS-SEA.

Okey, I see.

But can we see more flight out of AMS with NWA.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
But can we see more flight out of AMS with NWA.

Well, PHL is rumoured and if it happens will be operated by 752, but I have to see it to believe it.

KL911


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17122 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 7):
Well, PHL is rumoured and if it happens will be operated by 752, but I have to see it to believe it.

And any cities outside the U.S??

PHL sounds as a good city to serve.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):

NWA doesn't base any aircraft in AMS. The BOM flight is IIRC the SEA-AMS-BOM-AMS-SEA.

correct. BDL is BOS-AMS-BDL-AMS-BOS



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7699 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
And any cities outside the U.S??

AMS-BLR was to be flown by NW metal a few years ago but it was cancelled before it started.

No NW aircraft are based in AMS, they all are scheduled in a manner that they routed back through the US. DTW, MSP, & SEA act as A330 bases, and DTW as the 752 TATL base. The other cities act as outstations but the aircraft are rotated back through the hubs every few days.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Are any NW F/As based in AMS? There must be a large amount of crew in the city on any given day! I wonder if they all use the same hotel?

Also, I imagine the NW station manager has quite a fun job...and a good working relationship with KLM...


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
Also, I imagine the NW station manager has quite a fun job...and a good working relationship with KLM...

There is no Northwest station manager in AMS, just like there are no KLM station managers in the US. Except for cargo it is all NWA in North America and all KLM in Europe. NWA does have a VP at KLM Hdq and likewise KLM in the US.


User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

NW use to serve DEL and was looking at starting Chennai, India from AMS before they entered bankruptcy. I hope now with final 330's delivered that they bring back these flights. Personally I would rather see more India flights than Europe, and a round-the-world flight would be great again. BTW the United RTW flight routing was SFO-NRT-HKG-DEL-LHR-ORD-SFO, IIRC.

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3047 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

Can passengers board at AMS to fly on the SEA-AMS-BOM? Even though the route is not non-stop, this must be one of the longest A330 routes operated...

Surprised there is no other routes beyond AMS other than to the USA and India.

NWA refers to AMS as a hub, but it is not really any more than a large station where KLM is the handling agent. American Airlines at LHR has a larger number of rotations between the US and London (17 a day), but they do not go on about it being a hub!


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21):
Can passengers board at AMS to fly on the SEA-AMS-BOM? Even though the route is not non-stop, this must be one of the longest A330 routes operated...

Yes, they have full 5th freedom rights.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21):

NWA refers to AMS as a hub, but it is not really any more than a large station where KLM is the handling agent. American Airlines at LHR has a larger number of rotations between the US and London (17 a day), but they do not go on about it being a hub!

In a sense, it is a hub, since they connect various US cities with BOM. And of course the integration with KL is seamless.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17122 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 22):
In a sense, it is a hub, since they connect various US cities with BOM.

Does AA fly from LHR to DEL???



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21):
NWA refers to AMS as a hub, but it is not really any more than a large station where KLM is the handling agent.

Northwest connects to dozens of KLM flights in AMS to Europe, Africa. and the Mid-East that carry a Northwest flight number.
Northwest and KLM have ATI and split revenue.That is not true of AA at LHR.


User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 22):
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 21):
Can passengers board at AMS to fly on the SEA-AMS-BOM? Even though the route is not non-stop, this must be one of the longest A330 routes operated...

Yes, they have full 5th freedom rights.

It been a while I remember what 5th freedom rights -- does this means NWA can fly anywhere from AMS like Africa, Spain, etc?

Also, did NWA got permission to fly to Iraq? If so, was NWA going to fly into Baghdad from AMS?


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 12):
NWA uses the Golden Tulip City North in Amsterdam for all it's crew. NWA has a deal for 266 rooms per day. All crew stay for 1 night before returning home.

http://www.hobartfoster.nl/referenti...erenties-verhaal-gt-citynorth.html dutch only..

Here is a very loose translation

Quote:
René Buitelaar is the General Manager by it since 1 April jl. open Counted Tulip City North, formerly the Galaxy Hotel to Amsterdam. In the time that the hotel yet the Galaxy was named, was it especially directed on groups of tourists. Now is the Counted Tulip City North mainly directed on the Crew of Northwest Airlines (NWA).

This airline sought a hotel where the entire crew wanted to become housed, in spite of the arrival or the departure. The Counted Tulip City North could this offer and therefore have NWA and the Counted Tulip City North an agreement for increase years closed. NWA rents the entire year through 266 rooms per day. The crew stays the night always 1 night and flies the day after it prevent back to America. Because the hotel with name directed is on the crew of NWA is there also bill loved with the wishes NWA. All rooms are sounds inconvenience court and be foresee for instance of an ironing board. Further have they a 100% darkening because the crew by day sleeps.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4485 times:

After my previous deleted post, let's try again. Cheers srbmod! (note: this message contains sarcasm)

Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):

Does AA fly from LHR to DEL???



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
NWA refers to AMS as a hub, but it is not really any more than a large station where KLM is the handling agent.

I was talking about NW, not AA.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4451 times:

Since SRB mod thought that my original post was worthless.

Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 13):
NW use to serve DEL and was looking at starting Chennai, India from AMS before they entered bankruptcy

They had to stop flying it because the US governement didn't want US aircraft to overfly Afghanistan after the war started.

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 18):
It been a while I remember what 5th freedom rights -- does this means NWA can fly anywhere from AMS like Africa, Spain, etc?

www.aviationpast.com/Rights.html

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
American Airlines at LHR has a larger number of rotations between the US and London (17 a day

AA's flights connect only to its hubs. Where as NW's goes far beyond their hubs.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineSilentObserver From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

what is the routing for 332 going in/out of MEM, do they fly a domestic leg to DTW or MSP or simply back to AMS and then to a US base? i have to admit i was a bit surprised when i was at MEM last week and saw a 332... is there a small 332 pilot base at MEM as well?

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Here is some data I put together a few months back while doing some research on NWA widebody usage.

Might be out of date







http://homepage.mac.com/justinwdart/.Pictures/NWA/NWAallA330usage.jpg

***NOTE***
Since producing these graphics, NWA has changed some aspects of A330-300 usage with the addition of NRT operations and HNL-KIX.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7699 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting SilentObserver (Reply 22):
what is the routing for 332 going in/out of MEM, do they fly a domestic leg to DTW or MSP or simply back to AMS and then to a US base? i have to admit i was a bit surprised when i was at MEM last week and saw a 332... is there a small 332 pilot base at MEM as well?

A330 pilots fly both the -200 & -300.
The A330 crew bases are at DTW, MSP, & SEA. MEM acts a spoke outstation in regards to the A330. There are no scheduled domestic A330 legs, however there were a number of doemestic A330 routes flown this past summer with the shortage of narrowbody crews.


25 SilentObserver : so the crew trips are (something like): Day 1: DTW/MSP/SEA-AMS Day 2: Rest Day 3: AMS-MEM/BOS/EWR Day 4: Rest Day 5: MEM/BOS/EWR-AMS Day 6: Rest Day
26 Steeler83 : PIT was also rumored, but as always, this isn't likely... PHL, who knows, it does look good...
27 Viscount724 : Since KL and NW have US antitrust immunity they can basically operate as one carrier and agree on capacity, scheduling, pricing, revenue sharing etc.
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