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I Feel Like I've Been Punched In The Stomach  
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Posted (15 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

I nearly drove off the road when I heard the news this morning on the way to work. Seriously, I became physically affected. As a businessman, I understand why these things happen. However, on an emotional level, I'm sure all fellow aviation enthusiasts here understand that it is tough to rationalize and accept the dismemberment and disappearance of one of your favorite companies without feeling a sense of loss.

Some preliminary, reactionary thoughts:

1) It is really tough to imagine no more TWA.

2) What about my frequent flier miles?

3) What about my Elite1 status?

4) What about my Amabassador Club membership?

5) What about my TWA tickets?

Some hopeful, positive thoughts:

1) I'll become an AA Gold member

2) I'll become an AA Admiral's Club member

3) I'll have more destination choices.

4) AA has a reputation for being the #1 gay-friendly airline.

5) My tickets will be just fine, the STL hub and route system will be largely unchanged for quite awhile, and the only difference is I'll be flying on AA instead of TW.

Let's hope.

It'll be several months of uncertainty and angst for thousands of people across the country, not the least of which are the TW employees. It's going to take some time for everybody to digest this. I know I'll be quite distracted by this today.

I'm very, very sad.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
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User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1478 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Hey TWFirst,
I can understand you and I am sorry for you and all TWA fans out there.
I would feel the same if it would happen to MY airline, Alitalia.
Anyway, all I can say is that American Airlines is another big and Historical name in American Aviation Industry and is of course better than that corporation I heard of, was it Global Airline or something like that



User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3094 times:


We may disagree on other things... but I must say that I am absolutely shocked that TWA is gone. We were all thinking TWA would stagger through the next three years, then another two or three from that, we'd see TW 777s flying over the pond.

American is a good airline and a good company to work for. They will take care of you and all the people, customers and employees alike, of the Trans World family.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4650 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Very nice post TWFirst. I am with you in my thoughts. Sorry to say, and I've kept myself far away from all these heated discussion between the cheerleaders of different airlines over there, but, as a consultant in the industry, I am almost convinced this might be the best sollution.

Still, as you mentioned, you get the #1 gay-friendly airline. As a member of that other big family, I can just feel that this fact should ease the pain a bit...

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Thanks Pat. I just called a good friend of mine who works for TW. To my surprise, he was very calm and rational about the whole thing, and in fact seemed pleased. He indicated that the general attitude of MSP employees is that if their jobs are safe (as the Washington Post story indicated), they're just fine with it. I suppose in a way it is a load off their mind to know they would now be working for a financially stable company. He also said he didn't think I should worry about my tickets or miles, that this will take quite awhile before anything drastic happens. His prediction was that AA would transfer the miles over, but the status wouldn't transfer over. Better than nothing, I suppose. However, he said TW hasn't communicated anything to its employees yet, so everything is pure speculation at this point.

In a way I'm totally surprised about this whole thing, and in a way I'm not. From all indications, TW was really looking to remain independent and try to survive until Karabu was over. However, I suppose there were many other indications that this task just wasn't going to be possible. I guess the biggest surprise about this is that it was a 100% surprise - no prior rumors or anything.

One other thought: I think the TWA brand has some real equity, and I'm a little surprised (if it turns out to be true) that American has no plans to leverage it. I mean, if American wants to be a truly global airline, wouldn't the name "Trans World" be fitting? "American" is not only a regional name in a global context, but let's face it, America isn't loved and cherished by a large portion of the globe as well.

An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Well, they're not exactly gone yet per se. I would think that we all have a minimum of 6 months breathing room before the red letters and double globes start getting stripped just from the sheer amount of legal wrangling that will be required to make this merger actually happen. But like I said, they are at that point where they have to make a choice, either be bought, or fall to liquidation.
Yes, it will be tough to imagine not seeing the TWA name in the sky. It will take some getting used to. I feel bad for them as an airline, and those working so hard for it. But at least most of the people there will be assured jobs if AA gets a hold of them, which is a much better fate to suffer than those at Pan Am did.
We humans are a resiliant breed. While we can't comprehend the idea of no more TWA now, we all thought the same thing of Pan Am. We'll get over it. In a few years time, all of us old timers will be talking about how TWA was on this forum without too much bitterness.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Thanks HB-IWC. Haven't talked to you here before. Nice to know you understand my feelings - from several perspectives  .

An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4650 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

You are very welcome. I've immediately put you on my respected users-list, of course.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

You're right. It could be worse. Life will go on. Let's hope that the story in the Wash. Post turns out to be factually correct, and that jobs aren't lost.

I just hope American doesn't sell the 'TWA' brand rights. I don't want to see some start up out of Bumf*ck, Vermont using the TWA name to fly J31's from Montpelier-Hartford in a couple of years, or some weird thing like that.

An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2978 times:


I found the same attitude at AC when talking to CP pilots and FAs.... One of them made a very telling comment when I asked him how he felt about the once proud Canadian being gobbled up by the bitter rival Air Canada:

"I don't care if there's a dead rat's ass on the tail, I am just happy to have a job."

A very true statement. Company pride is one thing, job security is another.


It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Thanks! Are you Greek? Or an American residing in Greece? I was in Greece for a week last year and will be returning in August for a couple of days.

An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (15 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2949 times:


Thanks for the chuckle. Humor is my "upper" of choice.

An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (15 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

TWA comments on Wall Street Journal story

ST. LOUIS, MO (January 8, 2001) -- Trans World Airlines, Inc., has issued the following statement in response to a story in today’s Wall Street Journal. TWA will have no further comment on this issue.

Like other airlines, TWA from time to time holds conversations with other airlines and other businesses with the intent of exploring possible business agreements. We do not confirm or comment on such discussions until they produce agreements. To do otherwise would be counterproductive and could jeopardize the successful conclusion of transactions beneficial to TWA.

TWA was not a source for the story that appeared in this morning’s Wall Street Journal, and, consistent with our usual policy, TWA will not confirm or comment on the speculation about TWA that this story includes.

TWA is always receptive to legitimate business overtures and is open to consideration of business combinations that will be beneficial.

# # #

An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2804 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (15 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Hi TWFirst,

I totally understand you. I was totally shocked when I first heard about the TWA purchase by AA. Never in the world did I expect or imagined the possibility of such scenario. Trust me, I even thought of the idea of Delta buying out TWA, but I never thought that American Airlines would be the one to do so.

Well... I went through the same grievance period back in December 1991, (at age 14) when my airline ''The World's Most Experienced Airline'' shut down. I just came home from school and turned on CNN's Moneyline, to find out that Pan Am had ceased to exist. I just couldn't belive it...

I am going to be honest to you, years passed by and I still mourned the lost of my favorite airline. As a little boy I had dreamed of working for them when I grew up and my dreams were all shattered that day. At first I blamed Delta and hated them for not keeping their promise to keep the blue logo flying. But later I did my research and came to understand that Delta had kept Pan Am artificially alive for a longer period than Pan Am could have survived on it's own.

Now, I'm all grown up and as an Aviation Administration major in college I have come to understand the airline business in a managerial perspective. After the loss of Pan Am and without a favorite airline I turned my attention Southwards and kind of re-discovered my roots to the first airline that I had flown on: AeroMexico. Now, I guess this is my favorite airline. I really don't feel allegiance to any American airline exept for Delta and TWA.

I can confess that I felt some allegiance to TWA for it's historical value. TWA like Pan Am lived the golden age of travel and both of these carriers did so much to form what we take for granted today. As a teenager working in a travel agency part-time I always booked my clients on TWA. I did it for no other reason, than the fact that I wanted the TWA name to survive through the hard times (And during that time TWA was in Chapter 11). Whenever I had to fly I chose TWA because I thought that I needed to support the company. I even went out of my way and purchased my tickets from the TWA office at the TWA Tower in downtown L.A. which used to hold the west coast reservation center and which was closed about 2 years ago. The TWA letters are still on that building but I think the office is now closed.

Well... Even though I think that American Airlines is boring. I think it's the best that could have happened to the family members of TWA. Those people have gone on with years and years of instability. They deserve a good stable job and AA will be able to provide them with much more benefits and many more opportunities. Because just like you say among many other things, they are the #1 gay friendly airline.

Well, We still have a few more months of TWA. And you know, TWA won't die a shamefull death, TWA will go down holding it's head up high with honor and grace... TRANS WORLD AIRLINES

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User currently offlineN960as From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (15 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

I feel your pain...

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (15 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 2820 times:

I understand the business decision and so it goes, but I literally would not exist as a human being (or any other being) without TWA.

My mother was a TWA stewardess (before the word flight attendant) from 1943 to 1949 and met my who was a passenger on one of her Connie flights across the country. Her pick up line was, "So, is your wife meeting you in San Francisco? Oh you're not married?" My dad never had a chance  . Although I've never flown TWA myself because they aren't strong on the routes I fly, I know where I'd be without them. My mom is still a "Clipped Wing" and I'm sure she and her friends will be disappointed.

Good luck to all TWA employees!

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 25340 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (15 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 2797 times:

Has TWA totally been taken over by AA? If they have this is a terrible day in aviation. My sympathies to the TWA fans out there.

When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8346 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (15 years 4 months ago) and read 2789 times:

I know you feel like you've been run over by a tank with AA buying TW.

But let's face it folks: Carl Icahn's insidious Karabu scheme drained the life out of the airline; the TW 800 tragedy is a symptom of how insidious Karabu was (IMHO!   ), sucking much-needed revenue that could have gone to improve TW's fleet and maintainance practices.

TW--no thanks to Karabu--essentially could not compete against airlines with bigger war chests like AA, CO, DL and UA; their own real strength was their STL hub, which by 2000 standards cannot compete against AA's hubs at DFW and ORD, CO's hubs at IAH, EWR and CLE, DL's hubs at ATL and CVG, and UA's hubs at DEN, ORD, IAD and SFO.

I had a cousin that used to work for many years for TW at the LAX maintainance base (he even made it up to Chief Mechanic there); he must be shedding a tear for the loss of the airline that he worked so many years for.

User currently offlineBranvan3k From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (15 years 4 months ago) and read 2753 times:


Saying Karabu caused the Flight 800 disaster, well if that's not conjecture... I don't know what is!

User currently offlineTWA From Iran, joined Sep 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (15 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

I heard this when I was driving home from school, I was so pissed off I had to pullover so I wouldnt knock a SILVER car off this planet. After I pulled over I said some very offensive words about American.

It is going to be very sad not to see TWA in the air.

I refuse to fly American Airlines due to this.


User currently offlineTurboTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (15 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

I felt amazement and shock when I heard it this morning, too. I had just gotten out of my bed and was half asleep when my dad told me the news. I was immediately awake but I wasn't too angry. I honestly didn't think TWA would turn a profit for a long time and figured someone would buy them. It's just like part of my aviation life is lost for good. I grew up with TWA. I went to STL nearly every Saturday with my mom between ages 5-7 and watched all of the classic TW planes. Back then (early 90's), I had no idea of the financial situation they were in and I thought they would be just fine with all of their big Tristars' and 747's.
As for Icahn- KUDOS- He killed a great name of aviation. I hope he looks back on this one day and realizes what a shameful and pitiful thing he did. I will remember this day in my heart and mind forever.


User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 974 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (15 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

This is bad. I feel for all of you that have close ties to TWA. It is a sad day.

However, I don't see a point in chastising AA just for making a sound business move. In the business world, such things just have to happen sometime or another.

By the way, the news is saying that the Trans World name will be retired. Too bad. 

This is a sad day. History is being made. Lets pray it turns out positive. 



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User currently offlineRaddog2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (15 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

I'm sure the TWA name will be resuscitated for some dinky startup just like Pan Am was. Maybe the new Ozark will repeat history and grab the name.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11198 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (15 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Whats gonna happen to TWAs Airbus order? What about there brand new 717s? Whats gonna happen to St. Louis Int'l!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineRAI From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (15 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

BA wrote:
Whats gonna happen to TWAs Airbus order? What about there brand new 717s? Whats gonna happen to St. Louis Int'l!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All excellent questions, but you forgot the most important one: what's TWFirst's new handle going to be?

25 Post contains images N-156F : TWFirst, I'm with you all the way. I heard about it when my Government teacher turned on CNN when I had lunch in there, and found myself squeezing ver
26 Iah10 : I'm already grieving today for this great company and source of many personal firsts: Sight of the grand and graceful Constellation arriving mid-Ameri
27 Blink182 : Twfirst, I would like to welcome you to the AA enthusiast family. I think the transition will go well, and your aadvantage status will be equivelent t
28 N960AS : Hello all TW people? Now that I'm finally home I can elaborate, oh boy... -I can't imagine JFK without TWA. I just always associated TWA and JFK. But
29 Post contains images Travelin man : Of course I immediately thought of you when I heard about this news (bonjour from Orlando, by the way). I've never flown TWA, so I have no nostalgia c
30 Dc-9-10 : I will also be very sad to see a great name go up in polished silver. Twa was the airline that confermed my love for comerical avation with a flight o
31 We're Nuts : I like your name change. It would be very appropriate for you to re-register as TWForever.
32 Post contains images Jmc1975 : Now I will no longer br able to ask the stewardess if she has any TWA coffee or TWA tea.
33 N960AS : Say it ain't so, TWA can't go. (Weep weep, sniff, sniff.) Well, I've tried to think of some good things... -Largest MD-80 fleet! 390, well with QQ one
34 Us330 : My question, which I just have to ask, is who wasn't completely shocked by the news? Although I have never flown TWA, it shocked me tremedously, consi
35 Post contains images SegmentKing : American is the #1 Gay airline?? ROFLMAO... United had full domestic partner benefits first and they sponsor more local gay/lesbian/bisexual organizat
36 Post contains images TWFirst : Travelin Man: Thanks for the sentiment guy. Yes, I'm trying to look at the positives. I'm glad it is American and not another airline. I'm glad that S
37 DeltaSFO : So TWFirst.... You decided yet what the new handle will be? Or if there will be a new handle? DeltaSFO
38 VirginA340 : According to a gay magazine called out and about on how airlines treat gay employees it goes like this Virgin and BA got As AA, NWA,United,and DL got
39 Post contains images TWFirst : Haven't thought that far ahead yet. Probably no new handle. I will forever fondly remember my days of flying in Trans World First. TWA's First Class s
40 Che : It is unfortunate that TWA will disappear. TWA was and still is a great airline. But they are being bought by an even better AAirline. I am sure you w
41 Boeing747-400 : Hey, I'm very sorry about the news, I'm sure this has upset you very much. I loved TWA and was planning to fly them next year to JFK, but I'll guess I
42 Mx5_boy : TWFirst, Sorry to hear about TWA buddy. Hope your feeling better today. Cheers, mb
43 Deltaflyertoo : Don't worry TWFirst, It's all good. I'd be wiling to be bet that AA will be more than happy to take care of you! I'd be shocked if they didn't make yo
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