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AC Orders 15 CRJ705's & 15 CRJ200's?  
User currently offlineCRJ900X From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Hey all,

According to airlinersgallery.com, Air Canada (Jazz) has ordered 15 CRJ705's and 15 CRJ200's. I have checked the Bombardier website and the Air Canada website and have not found any confirmation from either of those websites. Would the CRJ705's allow for expansion of the network and the CRJ200's replace the older -100 models??

Source: www.airlinersgallery.com

Cheers,

CRJ900X

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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Appears to be an old article which somehow popped up again. In another version I saw this morning there was mentioning of "this order will be firmed once Air Canada exits BK protection".


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6077 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

The CRJ-200 is not built anymore, correct?

ASSFO



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2224 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

These aircraft have all been delivered and are in service under Jazz. Todays papers in YYZ have articles reaffirming the parent company of AC wanting to sell all or portions of Jazz and the frequent flyer program Aeroplan. Aeroplan is actively seeking other FF programs to manage/buy. There are unsubstantiated rumours of Jazz buying new CRJ200's to replace the older 100's and some Dash aircraft, Q400 to replace some of the older Dash aircraft etc. etc. But with Jazz up for sale it may be pretty unrealistic to be purchasing new aircraft at this point.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

That was definitely an old article. Jazz has no aircraft on order which is surprising given their strong traffic growth in the past year, their strong operating margin, the good economy and the fact that much of their fleet is aging.

The Jazz fleet consists of 15 CR-705, 24 CRJ1, 33 CRJ2, and 62 Dash8-100/300. Orders for CR9, CR-705, CR7, CRJ2 and/or Q400 seems a likely next step, along with the retirement of some of the older Dash 8-100 and CRJ1.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
The CRJ-200 is not built anymore, correct?

The CRJ-200 is still in production although of course orders have dwindled substantially. Bombardier has been marketing a corporate version of the CRJ2 (Challenger 850) which has accounted for most of the deliveries in the past year.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2484 times:
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Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 3):
Todays papers in YYZ have articles reaffirming the parent company of AC wanting to sell all or portions of Jazz

Will Jazz be difficult to sell? I'm assuming that AC will place restrictions on routes the new owner can fly, and flight crews will want to keep their current benefits and agreements...?



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User currently offlineDash8Pilot From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

If aeroplan is sold, does that mean i will loose my remaining aeroplan points? maybe its time i use them..

User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 3):
There are unsubstantiated rumours of Jazz buying new CRJ200's to replace the older 100's and some Dash aircraft, Q400 to replace some of the older Dash aircraft etc. etc. But with Jazz up for sale it may be pretty unrealistic to be purchasing new aircraft at this point.

I can't see why Jazz would want new build CRJ200's when they are readily available from lessors/owners that currently have them in storage at attractive rates. Jazz will need to replace those Dash 8 100's as they are getting very old. Considering that they are 37 seat aircraft,one would think that an order for the DH8 300 with 50 seats would make sense since the pilots get paid the same no matter what aircraft they fly. Mind you,I would really like to see the DH8 400 added to the fleet,then again,I'm not holding my breath.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
Will Jazz be difficult to sell? I'm assuming that AC will place restrictions on routes the new owner can fly, and flight crews will want to keep their current benefits and agreements...?

Nothing is too difficult to sell at the right price. Considering the initial IPO was $10.00,the upcoming sale will be priced at about $7.50. Hardly impressive to the original buyers! ACE current holding is 49% and will drop to 20.1% after the current share offering(Same 20.1% applies to Aeroplan). Air Canada has a CPA(Capacity Purchase Agreement) with Jazz to provide lift at a predetermined ASM until about 2015 and all conditions remain the same,except for the rumoured renegotiation of the rates next year. Those rates are likely to go down rather than up,putting further pressure on the Jazz Income Fund share price.

ACE has holdings in Jazz,Aeroplan and ACTS(recently monetized through a majority sale to a private equity firm). With the unwinding of ACE by next spring,it will be rather interesting to see how Air Canada will be structured. Will they take control of the minority 20.1% holdings. This is all a prelude to 2009 and the implications of having to renegotiate all those union contracts. I would say that the AC is likely to be in a rather pleasant position as the new owners will have to bargain with all those units that were monetized.


User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

I'm hoping for the new ATR-600series....

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting Dash8Pilot (Reply 6):
If aeroplan is sold, does that mean i will loose my remaining aeroplan points? maybe its time i use them..

I'm going to assume no, as doing so would alienate every single FF AC has.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 9):
Quoting Dash8Pilot (Reply 6):
If aeroplan is sold, does that mean i will loose my remaining aeroplan points? maybe its time i use them..

I'm going to assume no, as doing so would alienate every single FF AC has.

Aeroplan is one of AC's major assets. They're only planning to spin it off to generate cash. It would still remain AC's FFP.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
That was definitely an old article.



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):
Appears to be an old article which somehow popped up again.

That news item is 3 years old. Those orders were announced in September 2004.


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