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Why Is LH That Expensive To The US  
User currently offlineLH748i From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Hi there,

finally, after one year I made it to sign in at airliners.net, so this will be my first post:

I used to travel a lot to the US, specially to RDU and PHL. My home airport is DUS. Now, what I'm wondering about is, why I never got LH flights. Not that there didn't exist any, but they never were the cheapest. I flew the following routes:

DUS-LGW-RDU (BA/AA)
DUS-LHR-JFK-RDU (BA/BA/AA)
DUS-CDG-ATL-RDU (AF/AF/DL)
DUS-RDU (AA) (does not exist anymore)
DUS-ORD-RDU (UA/UA) (does not exist anymore)
FRA-LHR-PHL (BA/BA)

I was even completely surprised that the FRA-PHL route wasn't the cheapest with LH. The only reason, why I traveled the listed routes were, because I love to fly and to see the big airports and to connect through them.

Can somebody tell me, why I never got LH as the cheapest carrier or what I did wrong when I booked?

Thank you

Frank


Lights will guide you home... next: FRA - BOG - FRA
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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

I'm taking a class trip to Berlin and Vienna in March, and we are flying LH. I was interested in upgrading to First/Business, but I saw that they are indeed VERY expensive out of ORD. I am a DL fanatic and checked to see how expensive they were in comparison, and I found $1,600 BusinessElite to TXL. I didn't understand the $10,000 it cost for First on LH. Needless to say, I'll be flying coach with the rest of my friends and professors.  Wink

User currently offlineLH748i From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

10000$ is a lot of money.

But they're doing good in terms of passenger numbers and expansion, so they can't be too expansive or they have sine strange conditions



Lights will guide you home... next: FRA - BOG - FRA
User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Quoting LH748i (Thread starter):
Can somebody tell me, why I never got LH as the cheapest carrier or what I did wrong when I booked?

Because Lufthansa is Lufthansa and Lufthansa can charge whatever Lufthansa wants since they basically own the Germany market, and German airport slots between the US and Europe. Even if Delta is much cheaper, Delta does not have the capacity on the German routes, and so: Lufthansa can charge almost anything they want.

Hopefully Open Skies treaty will help, but I am sure that slot control at German airports will be kept in Lufthansa's favor at all costs. The only reason that Delta even has a shot at TXL is that for some reason, Lufthansa doesn't give a damn about that city.

I used to be a big Lufthansa traveller EU-US, but their FF plan is terrible, the planes are old, seating arrangements cramped, prices extraordinary, staff are unfriendly, schedule changes very pricy and difficult and you MUST go through Frankfurt (bane of Europe's airports) or Munich.

My strategy for EU travel these days is to get the cheapest ticket into the EU to an airport served by Ryanair or Air Berlin, and then use them to get to the final destination. You can save literally hundreds of $ and can change your plans within the EU without much difficulty.

iwok


iwok


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Iwok (Reply 3):
Hopefully Open Skies treaty will help

The US and Germany have had open skies for years now.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 3):
but I am sure that slot control at German airports will be kept in Lufthansa's favor at all costs

The only airport where there are any restrictions is Frankfurt - and that's because, quite simply, the airport is operating close to it's maximum capacity.

If a US carrier wants to fly anywhere else, they're free to do so (ok - there might be some tight times at DUS or MUC as well, but that's just during absolute rush-hours).

Quoting Iwok (Reply 3):
the planes are old

Say again? LH and old planes? I really don't like LH - but that's just plain and absolute nonsense.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 3):
seating arrangements cramped, prices extraordinary, staff are unfriendly, schedule changes very pricy and difficult

... then again, those points, I completely agree with.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 3):
and you MUST go through Frankfurt (bane of Europe's airports) or Munich

Frankfurt "bane of Europe's airports"? Very, very big nonsense!

Quoting Iwok (Reply 3):
My strategy for EU travel these days is to get the cheapest ticket into the EU to an airport served by Ryanair or Air Berlin, and then use them to get to the final destination

Yes... right... have fun...



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User currently offlineLanAlemania From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Going back to LH748i's initial question: I'd say it's all about yield management. In your case of trying to get a cheap L/H fare from Germany on a LH flight, it's the 'Home Premium' LH charges for itineraries departing from Germany. This is not uncommon - BA, AF, KL or IB may do the same from journeys departing in their home country, to not destroy the low yield prices in ther home market. Other airlines, as you already have seen, do offer much lower fares for travelling through another hub - and so does LH from other countries than Germany (see Acey559's reply). From another point of view, you could understand the higher prices as a premium for the more convenient journey with LH which does not include connections (talking about on-board products and punctuality certainly is another story).

Another point which adds up to LH's fares being often expensive is, that they are most likely capable of doing quite reliable forecasts regarding the probability, that there will be customers paying that high fares, possibly at a shorter time notice. So why "lose" money with selling the seat earlier for a much lower price, when you can probably sell it for double the €€€s two months later? Again, that's not LH only. I'm sure you would find many other examples with other network carriers.

Regarding the high charges for rebookings, that's also pure yield management: time is money, and if you want to be flexible with your time, you have to pay for it. Or, from an airlines point of view: the higher the booking flexiblity, the lower the probability, that a customer will take exactly the flight he/she originally booked. Therefore, they charge a premium for having less planning certainty.

BTW: There are tons of other things influencing flight prices. And of course there may be exceptions, for example the GRU-fare LH is offering at the moment from Germany for roughly 350€.

Hope this helped a bit.

[Edited 2007-10-03 12:28:57]

User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Hi,

I don't know if this is relevant to your question, but I've flown to Algeria the past two summers ('06/'07). Summer of '06 while I was looking for flights LH was the cheapest (I fly out of MIA). In Summer '07 they weren't the cheapest (IB was) but they were only $50 more than IB. Considering I was buying a $1,000+ ticket, $50 didn't seem like too much!

I'm planning on going to Algeria again this summer, and I can almost assure you they will be the cheapest, again! But I'm going to fly TK through Istanbul seeing as I want to spend some time in that awesome city before continuing on to ALG!  Smile

Cheers,
Imad



Bledi Heya Al Djazaeer! // Next Flights: AB MIA-DUS-ORY, AF ORY-MRS-ALG
User currently offlineIcelandair From Iceland, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 1):
am a DL fanatic and checked to see how expensive they were in comparison, and I found $1,600 BusinessElite to TXL. I didn't understand the $10,000 it cost for First on LH.

You are not seriously comparing BusinessElite to LH First??


As for the original question: LanAlemania is right. If you check fares for LH from e.g. Spain, Greece or somewhere else outside Germany you'll find a huge difference in price.



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting AH332 (Reply 6):

I'm planning on going to Algeria again this summer, and I can almost assure you they will be the cheapest, again! But I'm going to fly TK through Istanbul seeing as I want to spend some time in that awesome city before continuing on to ALG! Smile

smart decision!  Wink

for sure you'll get a better meal on TK so enjoy!


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Icelandair (Reply 7):
You are not seriously comparing BusinessElite to LH First??

I've never flown LH, so I really don't have any basis for comparison at all. I do know that I VERY much enjoyed my experience in BizElite, something I won't soon forget.  Smile


User currently offlineLH748i From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

OK thank you, I now got it.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
Say again? LH and old planes? I really don't like LH - but that's just plain and absolute nonsense.

Well, the 744s are kind of getting old...



But, for the upcoming DUS-ORD/JFK/YYZ flights they won't have pax coming from foreign countries to connect through DUS, because DUS is not a hub. So are they going to charge the same like for flights from Frankfurt, because they can be sure that they can fill the plane with only people from Rhein-Ruhr-area, or are they going to charge less money?

Frank



Lights will guide you home... next: FRA - BOG - FRA
User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
The US and Germany have had open skies for years now.

I wasn't aware of that; it seems that the only way for me to get to Germany is primarily with LH or UA from SFO. Anyhoo, I was refering to the open skies agreement between the EU and US, and I hope that other airlines such as BA and Air Berlin start to make a move into this market, and hopefully drive prices down.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
Say again? LH and old planes? I really don't like LH - but that's just plain and absolute nonsense.

Well, it has been at least a year since I flew LH to Germany, and I never got to ride on a new 346. It was always with flogged and battered 343 and 744 and a terrible experience. It was so bad that I actually chose UA so I could get a nice 767 or 777 with IFE. I know that they are upgrading the fleet, but it is sometimes painful to watch how poor the LH product is today.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
Frankfurt "bane of Europe's airports"? Very, very big nonsense!

Well, I don't have much good to say about it, and I can't think of a worse major airport in Europe. It seems to me as through the place was put together with 50 different architects over the years. The train connection is nice however...

Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
Yes... right... have fun...

Yes, I know.. It is not the most confortable way of getting to where you want to go, but you can save hundreds of $, which is nice when its on my own nickel.

Quoting LanAlemania (Reply 5):
that's also pure yield management

I think that is really the bottom line. Since they have so much control and so little competition D-USA they can basically charge what they want and not have to add real flyer flexibility.

iwok


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Iwok (Reply 11):
Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
The US and Germany have had open skies for years now.

I wasn't aware of that; it seems that the only way for me to get to Germany is primarily with LH or UA from SFO. Anyhoo, I was refering to the open skies agreement between the EU and US, and I hope that other airlines such as BA and Air Berlin start to make a move into this market, and hopefully drive prices down.

Air Berlin could have started flying to the US whenever they wanted to - they had no restrictions to obey, they only chose not to.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 11):
Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
Say again? LH and old planes? I really don't like LH - but that's just plain and absolute nonsense.

Well, it has been at least a year since I flew LH to Germany, and I never got to ride on a new 346. It was always with flogged and battered 343 and 744 and a terrible experience. It was so bad that I actually chose UA so I could get a nice 767 or 777 with IFE. I know that they are upgrading the fleet, but it is sometimes painful to watch how poor the LH product is today.

Not a single one of those "nice 767[s] or 777[s]" that I've been on came even close to the good condition that I found those "flogged and battered 343[s] and 744[s]" to be in... but I guess that's a combination between personal experience and personal preference....

Quoting Iwok (Reply 11):
Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
Yes... right... have fun...

Yes, I know.. It is not the most confortable way of getting to where you want to go, but you can save hundreds of $, which is nice when its on my own nickel.

... you are aware that I was being sarcastic, right?

Quoting Iwok (Reply 11):
Quoting Leskova (Reply 4):
Frankfurt "bane of Europe's airports"? Very, very big nonsense!

Well, I don't have much good to say about it, and I can't think of a worse major airport in Europe. It seems to me as through the place was put together with 50 different architects over the years. The train connection is nice however...

I can think of about 5-10 without even trying hard, with LHR, LGW, MAN, LIS, MAD, AMS, MUC, DUS and TXL being at the forerfront...

Quoting LH748i (Reply 10):
But, for the upcoming DUS-ORD/JFK/YYZ flights they won't have pax coming from foreign countries to connect through DUS, because DUS is not a hub. So are they going to charge the same like for flights from Frankfurt, because they can be sure that they can fill the plane with only people from Rhein-Ruhr-area, or are they going to charge less

Since people connecting through FRA/MUC often tend to pay (relatively) less than those originating in Germany, why should LH charge less for flights originating in DUS? Especially since they now offer something that they hadn't offered before, a flight from DUS nonstop to destinations otherwise only served through connections (or does LT fly to NYC from DUS... not sure there...).

That's usually one of the best reasons right there to actually increase the fare instead of lowering it.



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User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
Not a single one of those "nice 767[s] or 777[s]" that I've been on came even close to the good condition that I found those "flogged and battered 343[s] and 744[s]" to be in... but I guess that's a combination between personal experience and personal preference....

You might be right about experience and preference. My wife was lucky to ride the new 346's which she said were great; after 1 hour of asking questions to see what plane she actually flew  Smile I really hate flying the LH747 and 343 SFO-FRA or MUC because they both feel so cramped the lack of PTV bothersome over an 11-12 hour flight. At least with the UA T7 & 767, you get your own IFE and the 767 is a really nice ride over the pond.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
... you are aware that I was being sarcastic, right?

I did partially

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
I can think of about 5-10 without even trying hard, with LHR, LGW, MAN, LIS, MAD, AMS, MUC, DUS and TXL being at the forerfront...

I disagree. I love MUC due to its cleanliness, efficiency and convenience; especially compared to FRA. I think part of the issue is that almost every time I fly into FRA, I am transfereing either to my European destination or to the US. Getting to the US gates from your connecting flight at FRA is a royal pain in the butt! LHR is also sort of conglomorated like FRA, but its easy to get around. Its been too long since I flew into LGW to give a good opinion. I really liked LIS, mostly because I remember the fun landing. AMS I also like since its not too big. I though DUS was great when I was there several years ago: compact size and very easy to get around. Never been to TXL or MAD.

What I will say about FRA though is that you can grab a smoke an coffee close to the gate. That's priceless.  Smile


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting LH748i (Thread starter):
Can somebody tell me, why I never got LH as the cheapest carrier or what I did wrong when I booked?

That hasn't been my experience at all. Yes, LH planes to the US are almost always completely full so if you don't buy at the right time you will only find the most expensive fares. They don't flood the market with seats like BA and AF do so it's a little harder to find the cheapest fare on LH. Having said that, I have almost always found their fares to be very competitive and that could be because I fly mostly to/from Boston where there is no shortage of non-stop trans-atlantic options. The same can't be said about RDU. Funny you mentioned RDU. My company is relocating there from BOS and the lack of non-stop flights to Europe is one reason I decided not to go but I digress  Smile
Another factor is route and schedule. When I see a LH fare that is 50-100 bucks more expensive than a BA fare, to me it means nothing. I'll gladly pay that more money to avoid LHR and I suspect there are a lot of people who are willing to do the same. The fact that it's difficult to find a cheap fare but their planes are riding full tells me that they're doing something right and that they don't need to go after the bottom of the barrel type customers.


User currently offlineIcelandair From Iceland, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 9):

Having flown both I can tell you they are worlds apart. I wouldn't pay for LH First but if you wanna travel the exclusive way, that sure is it.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
The fact that it's difficult to find a cheap fare but their planes are riding full tells me that they're doing something right and that they don't need to go after the bottom of the barrel type customers.

In the premium classes, LH's fares from Germany to the USA have generally been much lower than BA's from LHR. I haven't checked recently but that's probably still the case. That's why BA's fares from Germany are often significantly lower than from LHR, although the passenger is travelling further and connecting at LHR.

LH also has many competitors to/from Germany. For traffic with an actual origin/destination in Germany, I would think FRA or MUC are not the origin or final destination of most passengers. FRA is far from being the largest city in Germany and MUC is only 3rd largest. To/from all major cities in Germany other than FRA/MUC, many other airlines offer service with only one connection like LH. KL/BA/LX/AF etc. all serve many cities in Germany. LH thus can't charge very much higher fares, if at all, to/from HAM/TXL/DUS/CGN/STR/HAJ etc. than other carriers which also offer one-connection service to/from the same points. That's also why LH has traditionally charged the same intercontinental fares from all cities in Germany. Even if you're connecting from HAM/TXL/STR etc. to FRA or MUC, the fare is usually the same as if you were originating in FRA or MUC -- you pay nothing for the connecting flights.

In Y class I've never found LH to be significantly higher than their major competitors. But if they can fill their flights and charge more, good for them (and their shareholders). It's probably not a coincidence that LH has been one of the most profitable and best-managed major airlines for the past few years.

Most of my LH flights are within Europe but I always find their fares very competitive, often the lowest, and they have a very good reliability and on-time performance record compared to many other airlines. Contrary to the original poster, I also always find their cabin (and ground) staff very well-trained and service-oriented. Their aircraft are also clean and interiors always seem to be in good condition.

FRA isn't my preferred connecting hub but it's much better than LHR and I prefer FRA to CDG. And MUC is one of the very best hubs anywhere. I rate it 2nd after ZRH in Europe for convenience and user-friendliness and just ahead of AMS...and far ahead of CDG and light-years ahead of LHR.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
In the premium classes, LH's fares from Germany to the USA have generally been much lower than BA's from LHR. I haven't checked recently but that's probably still the case. That's why BA's fares from Germany are often significantly lower than from LHR, although the passenger is travelling further and connecting at LHR.

You're comparing a non-stop with a one-stop fare, not exactly the same. Just because you're travelling further it does not mean it should be more expensive. In fact, almost always, a one-stop will be cheaper than a non-stop. I'd be curious to compare a FRA-BOS J fare with a LHR-BOS J fare. I picked those routes because neither airline uses BOS as a "hub" so that's a much better way to compare the two. I suspect you'll find them to be pretty similar. JFK would not be a fair comparison either because BA floods the market with flights to JFK and they have a strong hub partner there in AA.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 17):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
In the premium classes, LH's fares from Germany to the USA have generally been much lower than BA's from LHR. I haven't checked recently but that's probably still the case. That's why BA's fares from Germany are often significantly lower than from LHR, although the passenger is travelling further and connecting at LHR.

You're comparing a non-stop with a one-stop fare, not exactly the same. Just because you're travelling further it does not mean it should be more expensive.

No, what I was comparing was LH's nonstop fare e.g. FRA-JFK with BA's nonstop fare LHR-JFK. You might argue that LHR-JFK should be at least slightly lower than FRA-JFK since it's not as far, but that has rarely been the case for many years. In fact LH's premium class fares from Germany have often been lower than many of their competitors from their own hubs, not just LHR.

BA or other carriers of course won't carry many passengers on their own connecting services if their fares are uncompetitive with a carrier that offers nonstop service, but my starting point was the the nonstop fares from the two hubs. Premium class fares from LHR have traditionally been much higher than from almost all other points in Europe, even points much further away, due to the strong high-yield demand in the UK market compared to any other market in Europe.

But it also means that BA or other carriers operating to/from LHR have to undercut their own LHR fares if they want to be competitive for connecting traffic beyond their hub, and only make capacity available at those lower fares if it isn't going to displace a UK origin/destination passenger paying what is often a much higher fare.


User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

LH fares are traditionally higher than compared to many competitors - especially across the Atlantic. According to the AEA LH had the second highest SLF on the NATL this summer, taking second to KL. LH was actually leading for most of the first half of the summer, but then KL had a huge August and took over the lead. As long as the loads are high in all classes the fares will be high. LH has very very sophisticated revenue management (Germans do love detail after all  Smile) to steer every single flight. If they're not filling up, the prices will drop.

User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1519 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Iwok (Reply 11):

I wasn't aware of that; it seems that the only way for me to get to Germany is primarily with LH or UA from SFO. Anyhoo, I was refering to the open skies agreement between the EU and US, and I hope that other airlines such as BA and Air Berlin start to make a move into this market, and hopefully drive prices down.

Why? So everyone looses money on the rotue? Newsflash: air travel isn't free.



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

LH is also very expensive starting travel in the U.S. and flying to
Germany. I've found CO and US a lot less expensive than LH,
as well as UA, when flying from DC to TXL or FRA.

Maybe one of the reasons why LH prices their FRA/MUC to U.S.
flights so high is because they can also have those segments
be flown by passengers on tickets between the U.S. and the Middle
East or Africa, where the tickets are quite expensive (and profitable).



fly high, pay low...Germanwings!
User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 20):
Why? So everyone looses money on the rotue? Newsflash: air travel isn't free.

Driving prices down is good for everyone, even the majors because it helps them to focus on keeping their costs down. Just because an LCC enters a market doesn't mean that everyone looses money.

I'd love to be able to fly between the west coast and Europe for $500-700 like in the good old days before 9/11 and thas's when the airlines were PROFITABLE.

iwok


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 21):
Maybe one of the reasons why LH prices their FRA/MUC to U.S.
flights so high is because they can also have those segments
be flown by passengers on tickets between the U.S. and the Middle
East or Africa, where the tickets are quite expensive (and profitable).

No, that's not the reason - they have completely separate pricing models based on origin and destination: very roughly, there's a model for US to Europe, a completely different one for US to Asia, for US to Africa, ... the fact that some people will be connecting to a higher yielding destination that Europe is not a factor there.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 22):
Driving prices down is good for everyone

... except the airlines. Getting less money for a service you provide is never good for the company offering the service. Even considering...

Quoting Iwok (Reply 22):
even the majors because it helps them to focus on keeping their costs down.

While it does make them keep their focus there, it's not helpful at all - you can keep your focus on keeping costs down without constantly getting squeezed from the other end as well: there's absolutely nothing positive in being forced to lower your prices.



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User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

The trick is to use United's German website to book LH flights. Just look for the codeshare flights which are operated by LH. I did this twice and got my tickets at least 100€ cheaper then booking them through Lufthansa.

Generally LH is expansive if you are not lucky and catch one of their deals.The US flights from Lufthansa are often full with people from East Europe, Russia and India. I heard that the US India connections via FRA or MUC are one of the cash cows for LH.


25 UAL777 : The days of cheap tickets on international routes are gone. Oil is around 80 dollars per barrel and the routes are the only thing keeping the majors
26 Airbazar : No they're not gone. You can still fly TA for less than $300 in the off season. What is gone are the days of cheap taxes and extra fees and that has
27 Mahan : No Kidding .. I have flown on LH DFW-FRA-BLR/BOM and ORD-FRA-BLR/BOM multiple times in the last 5 years and there are atleast 30-40% Indians on the D
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