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Where Are Airlines Large Maint Hangers?  
User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

What Airports do Airlines have Large hangers for multiple aircraft? Let's start with the largest ones, such as, the very long hanger for Delta at ATL, that says, Fly Delta Jets? Seems like I saw more than ten planes sitting in and outside of it. Is there a largest one for each airline, and where are they? Do all hubs have them? Is AA's biggest one in Tulsa? Not just the majors, what about the LCCs?

[Edited 2007-10-04 20:31:59]

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11383 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
Seems like I saw more than ten planes sitting in and outside of it.

Yeah, that's Delta's TOC (Technical Operations Center). That place is huge - it has multiple bays for all levels (periodic to heavy) maintenance, plus painting, spares, engine servicing, etc. Beyond that, Delta's TechOps division also has other maintenance bases throughout the U.S., including in Boston, Cincinnati, Los Angeles and Salt Lake City. They have in the recent passed closed down former bases in Chicago and Dallas.

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
Is there a largest one for each airline, and where are they?

Yes, though not like it used to be. Most major U.S. airlines used to have multiple large maintenance bases around the country, but today, all U.S. carriers except AA outsource their heavy overhauls, and as a result, there are not many of this massive maintenance centers left. AA still has a few, as does Delta, and a few other airlines have smaller bases - like UA in SFO, Continental in IAH, Northwest in Duluth, but not like before

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
Is AA's biggest one in Tulsa?

By far, yes. If I'm not mistaken, AA's Tulsa base is actually the largest single civil aviation maintenance and engineering facility in the world. The place is just MASSIVE. Besides Tulsa, AA also has a sizable base at Alliance Airport (AFW) in Fort Worth, Texas, plus another base in Kansas City that it inherited from TWA. Beyond these, AA also has massive maintenance operations at several other airports, including Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Miami, New York (LaGuardia and JFK), and Heathrow.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

CO has their maintenance bases spread out.

EWR:

Two widebody, two narrow body hangars.

IAH:

Three hangars (one widebody, two narrowbody?)

MCO:

Two large hangars that can fit multiple aircraft in each one, large enough to house Widebodies but used for 737s and 757s.

HOU:

Major 737 maintenance base, multiple hangars.

DEN:

Large hangar, 737 work

LAX:

large hangars for widebody work, mostly 777s.

HNL:

Large hangar, mostly 767s.

CLE:

narrowbody hangar.



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Emirates have a massive structures for their widebodies, you can put up-to 9 A380s inside the hunger for maintenance. Many other airlines use the same facility too when they need maintenance in DXB.

User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 300 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

AA's maintenance hangars in DFW may not be as large as Tulsa's but they're quite impressive. There are three major ones now with the addition of the old Delta faclilty, and a few smaller buildings. This one seems capable of housing four 777s at a time (on the left).



Now in AA's hands:




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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11383 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 4):
AA's maintenance hangars in DFW may not be as large as Tulsa's but they're quite impressive. There are three major ones now with the addition of the old Delta faclilty, and a few smaller buildings. This one seems capable of housing four 777s at a time (on the left).

Indeed.

AA's West maintenance hangars at DFW are massive, and they - along with the ex-Delta hangar - are used by AA for not only periodic maintenance but all kinds of light overhaul work and lots of mod work - MD80 reconfigurations, 757 modernizations, etc. Plus, they also get a fair share of outside contract work. Not unlike Delta's hometown hub ATL hangars.


User currently offlinePhishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
AA outsource their heavy overhauls, and as a result, there are not many of this massive maintenance centers left. AA still has a few, as does Delta, and a few other airlines have smaller bases - like UA in SFO, Continental in IAH, Northwest in Duluth, but not like before



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
AA also has a sizable base at Alliance Airport (AFW) in Fort Worth, Texas, plus another base in Kansas City that it inherited from TWA. Beyond these, AA also has massive maintenance operations at several other airports, including Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Miami, New York (LaGuardia and JFK), and Heathrow.

don't forget AA owns half the superbay at SFO, so they have a large operation here too


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11383 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 6):
don't forget AA owns half the superbay at SFO, so they have a large operation here too

Yep, they rotate 763s in there out of DFW, MIA and JFK for maintenance.


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

So, anybody have any more pics of some of the above mentioned facilities?

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

One commonly used outsourcing facility is TIMCO in GSO. Its completely massive... handling aircraft up to 747 size from all around the world.



http://www.timco.aero/


User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

For American, our base at AFW is pretty big too (i think it's second to TUL). Don't we also have a mx base in MCI inherited from TW?

Matt


User currently offlineBasrabob From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Well in the UK ,. BA had to construct an extra runway at CWL to be able to do their C & D checks there on their 777 & 747's.....also used as a diversion apt when LHR/LGW are fog-bound.

User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

I know PHX has a US hangar that handles all of the old mainline HP planes as far as I know - A319s, A320s, B733s, and B752s. I could be wrong though, and I imagine that US outsources C and D checks to some ATS provider though. Southwest also has some sort of maintenance hangar at PHX, and Mesa probably does, although I don't know where the Mesa hangar is if it exists.

MSP has a lot of NW hangars that handle all sorts of planes - the one adjacent to I-494 seems to handle DC-9s and A319s/A320s. I believe there is a hangar elsewhere on the property that handles the other planes like 757s. I'm not sure where Mesaba, Pinnacle, or Compass hangars are. Sun Country and Champion have hangars on the west end of the airport along MN-77. Obviously the latter just handle B738s and B722s.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Continental Airlines Line Maintenance Hangar
Honolulu, Hawaii

http://www.mortenson.com/projects/project_profile.html?projects__id=82



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3800 times:

NWA, at one point, had hangars at ATL, DTW, DLH, MSP, SEA, ORD, and maybe more. ATL was the DC-9 maintenance base, a holdover from the old Southern days. It is now closed. DTW still has hangars, all used for line maintenance. DLH was the 319/320 base, and it is now closed. MSP was home to heavy maintenance, line maintenance, and the engine shop. I believe that line maintenance and the engine shop survive. I was inside the MSP facility years ago and walked through DC-10s and 747s in various stages of completion, and I have to say it was a pretty cool experience. I have never seen the SEA hangar myself, but to my understanding, it is used for A330 line maintenance. I have also never seen the ORD hangar, but I believe that NWA once had a facility there. Maybe they still use it. I also heard that there was a CMH hangar used for DC-9 maintenance, but I have never seen this hangar myself. Unfortunately, NWA does little to no heavy maintenance anymore, outsourcing it to providers across the globe. For example, DC-9 maintenance is outsourced to PEMCO World Services of DHN.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 12):
I'm not sure where Mesaba, Pinnacle, or Compass hangars are.

XJ apparently has hangars at DTW, MSP, somewhere in Wisconsin, and will be building a new facility in DSM. 9E has a CRJ hangar in TYS, I believe, and they may very well have one in MEM. I believe they also have work done in CKB. CP to my knowledge does not have a hangar yet, although one is in the works for SDF.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
you can put up-to 9 A380s inside the hunger for maintenance.

Im pretty sure LH Technik is doing something similar in FRA or MUC.



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User currently offlineMemphis From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

FX has 3 pretty big hangars in MEM . . . I think they also have some out in L.A. and perhaps Indy


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
st major U.S. airlines used to have multiple large maintenance bases around the country, but today, all U.S. carriers except AA outsource their heavy overhauls,

While alot of people think that overhauls are the dividing line between outsourced and in-house maintenance, DOT statistics show that AA contracts out more than 30% of its maintenance so they certainly subcontract maintenance.

Most other airlines subcontract overhaul maintenance because it is more labor intensive and can be done by outside companies cheaper than it can be done in house.

Further, DL insources (brings in) more than twice the amount of maintenance work (be revenue) to its facilities than AA does. DL does engine and component work for other airlines which generates more than 20% margins and this type of work cannot be done as cheaply by other airlines.

Further, DL has the lowest maintenance costs/ASM of any network airline.

AA is the US industry's 2nd largest insourcer.

Other airlines do very little insourcing and very little of their in-house maintenance. Alot of it has to do with labor relations and how many assets an airline already has in its maintenance facilities. NW and US have chosen to do most of their maintenance work through contract companies.

UA, which has substantial maintenance capabilities, is considering selling off at least parts of its maintenance operation.

Some regional carriers also have significant maintenance capabilities and Comair is pursuing maintenance insourcing in the same way DL is.


User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 4):
AA's maintenance hangars in DFW may not be as large as Tulsa's but they're quite impressive. There are three major ones now with the addition of the old Delta faclilty, and a few smaller buildings. This one seems capable of housing four 777s at a time (on the left).

Are these AA hangars from Braniff I or were they always AA?


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

B6 sends its aircraft to TACA's Aeroman in El Salvador, to Air Canada and there was some talk about them using someone in New York.

User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Mesa has a tiny hanger at PHX. The US hangers at CLT are quite big as well. PIT has some biggins' too if you stop through. Lest we not forget Delta and US had pretty big ones at TPA which still remain to this day. US used to get the narrow body airbus fleet delivered to TPA where they would do the acceptance checks. Eagle also has a good sized very old school MX hanger at LGA courteset of TWA. United owns the one next to it and they can fit a plane as big as a 767 in there. It is between the Central terminals councourse A and the USAirways Express terminal along taxiway Zulu Alpha. There are also 5 large parking positions in front of them called the Tway line. AA has their hangers as well which focus on the 757 and MD-80 fleet MX work. At JFK JetBlue has a sizeable hanger as well. They have at least one in MCO too where acceptance checks are performed.


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User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 14):

XJ apparently has hangars at DTW, MSP, somewhere in Wisconsin

XJ has (or had) a mx facility at CWA.


User currently offlineAntdenatale From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
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Quoting Basrabob (Reply 11):
Well in the UK ,. BA had to construct an extra runway at CWL to be able to do their C & D checks there on their 777 & 747's.....also used as a diversion apt when LHR/LGW are fog-bound.

They didn't construct another runway, they just extended to current one that was there, I am hoping that they will look after the A380 there when they arrive.


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

I am suprised that they haven't closed down CWL maint base yet. There is no reason for them to have it away from London apart from them having to start from scratch (Gatwick would probably be best as Heathrow would be too exp.).


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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Why close CWL? The space was and is available for it and for possible extensions, the planes can be flight-tested in the relatively quiet airspace around it and the GEAES facility is nearby in Nantgarw (and the interior fittings are overhauled at Llantrisant). Does it really make sense to try to cram ever more facilities into LHR or LGW, neither of which has room to grow?

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25 Stratosphere : The engine shop in ATL was one of the best in the world in overhaul of JT-8 engines used on the DC-9 and 727. in fact when Delta had a rash of fan se
26 Post contains links and images ZuluLima : As far as I know, the large ones have always been AA's. The old Braniff hangar is now the AA MD-80 hangar, which would be to the right of the 2 in th
27 Post contains links and images SA7700 : SA hangers in JNB: View Large View MediumPhoto © Stephan Rossouw - FZI Photography
28 Post contains links and images DFWEagle : AA has hangar facilities at 12 different airports. Firstly, they operate three overhaul bases which carry out heavy maintenance and overhaul work (lig
29 Nzrich : NZ does all its maintenance in the hangers in AKL and CHC
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