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US Firms Up Airbus Order  
User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4087 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4018 times:

US Airways has firmed up its Paris Airshow order for:

* 18 A350-800
* 4 A350-900
* 10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)
* 10 A319
* 40 A320
* 10 A321

92 aircraft in total.

A330 deliveries from 2009, A350 deliveries from 2014.

http://www.eads.net/1024/en/pressdb/...005_airbus_us_airways_a350xwb.html

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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3020 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4018 times:

and they are able to change within the A32x family... when they need more A320 than A319, they are able to...

this is really a big deal for Airbus today! good job boys...


User currently offlineENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4018 times:

Is US Airways the first A350XWB customer in the States?
Will the A330's replace the B767's?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4018 times:

US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)

So these are 10 new + the 10 ordered before.
Also they are getting delivery of A343s for their China service.
Must be second hand then ??

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):

* 18 A350-800
* 4 A350-900

Any idea why it is splitted like that ?? 4 A350-900 for the China route maybe ??

[Edited 2007-10-05 02:42:35]


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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3020 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

yes I heard that too! how much in total do they have (in service + order)???


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)

That puts to rest a long lasting discussion topic then.

Seems Airbus was NOT 're-announcing' existing orders after all then...

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Also they are getting delivery of A343s for their China service?
Must be second hand then ??

Maybe, or just as with the AY A340 order, this US order for A330s is actually convertible to A340 on a 1 to 1 basis.

What goes from A340 to A330 for AY, probably also goes the other way round for US, and it would give them the possibility to adapt this order to their future needs till shortly before delivery of the planes. In my view a good deal for both.


User currently offlineENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):
Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)

That puts to rest a long lasting discussion topic then.

This order can be changed to A330-300 or A340 if deemed necessary by US in the future. First delivery will be in 2009.


User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

Well with this new order yes, but NWA was the largest so far.

According to my database, NWA has 161 Airbus A/C in service (162 from 16th October), and US only 111.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12868 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
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Not forgetting that US had a firm order for the original A350, this is a net order of 72 for Airbus. Still very nice!


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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
US Airways has firmed up its Paris Airshow order for:

* 18 A350-800
* 4 A350-900
* 10 A330-200 (the press release specifically says these are newly ordered)
* 10 A319
* 40 A320
* 10 A321

92 aircraft in total.

Its great to finally get a confirmation and breakdown of the order.

Quoting ENU (Reply 2):
Is US Airways the first A350XWB customer in the States?

YES.

Quoting ENU (Reply 2):
Will the A330's replace the B767's?

YES.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
US is the world's largest airline measured by number of Airbus aircraft in service and on order.

While US Airways may be the largest airbus operator, ILFC is the largest customer.  Wink

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):

That puts to rest a long lasting discussion topic then.

Seems Airbus was NOT 're-announcing' existing orders after all then...

Correct. I was specifically told that this was a confirmation of their existing order. Its good to know that I was correct.  Smile

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
Not forgetting that US had a firm order for the original A350, this is a net order of 72 for Airbus. Still very nice!

Correct.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

This is good for Airbus.. and congratulations are in order...

But it's kinda sad for those of us on the East Coast of the US as US Airways without Boeing just seems a bit off.. much like US works today. a lot off.. Not trying to be nationalistic or anything.. but it just seems that if you are gonna call it US Airways.. it should be at least some sort of American aircraft in the mix.. and it doesn't seem to be the case.. mainline is going all Airbus, Express is Canadian or Brazilian.. Not really anything brought from the ole U- S- of A...

I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

US was a LONG time American made aircraft manufactured customer and it kinda made sense that US Air was called US.. but now that it's becoming most foreign.. I don't know.. just seems a bit sad and out of place.. and less US Airways as more EU Airways..

Not that the aircraft they are receiving aren't great.. but.. well.. anyway.. congratulations.. maybe I just being silly...

NO FLAMING or I will Flame back! Big grin



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

Interesting point. Does this mean the 787 is counted as a non American product as this seems to be more International than Airbus. Are you saying that it needs to be assembled in USA to count as a US product. When you look at the available global supply chain for manufacturers, it is difficult to say where a product belongs.


User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):

Is sad to see that instead of an AC enthusiastic people we are talking about "Country of Origin" That doesn't really matter, what is important here is that BOTH companies are working hard to develop good product that serve every day to us as a customer. Tha branding is just marketing, because nobody can say that the 787 is entirely a US plane, as nobody can say that the A380 is an EU plane, it's just marketing.

Congratulations to US Airways and Airbus.
Can someone tell us how the Airbus sales sheet looks now with this order?


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
it should be at least some sort of American aircraft in the mix

I guess at the very least the 757's will be around for a while longer because they are needed for the Hawaii runs as well as for some low denisty Europe flights.

Also, it'll take them a while to get rid of all those 737's, so enjoy them while you can! ;0


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
US was a LONG time American made aircraft manufactured customer and it kinda made sense that US Air was called US.. but now that it's becoming most foreign.. I don't know.. just seems a bit sad and out of place.. and less US Airways as more EU Airways..

Well, you need to consider that for a long time there was no choice, other than american aircraft. You had Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed to a lesser extent. Up untill 1988 Airbus only had the a300/a310, so not a lot of choice, unlike the entire line of narrow- and widebodies they have now. Embraer was not in the mix yet, and CRJ's didn't exist. And Soviet aircraft, well, I can imagine the uproar of USAir buying Tu-154's and IL62's back in the day... Big grin .

Quoting Col (Reply 12):
Interesting point. Does this mean the 787 is counted as a non American product as this seems to be more International than Airbus. Are you saying that it needs to be assembled in USA to count as a US product. When you look at the available global supply chain for manufacturers, it is difficult to say where a product belongs.

Agreed, the 787 is for a large part Japanese and European as well, even though final assembly is in the US. Welcome to globalization!!!

Quoting Carls (Reply 13):
Is sad to see that instead of an AC enthusiastic people we are talking about "Country of Origin" That doesn't really matter, what is important here is that BOTH companies are working hard to develop good product that serve every day to us as a customer.

Couldn't agree more. A and B both make fantastic products, and I would love to ride the E-jets sometime too. I am also excited to fly my first CRJ in January, even if that sounds a bit crazy to some people  Silly

So in other words, relax and enjoy your flight, no matter what name it says on the fuselage!!



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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
Well, you need to consider that for a long time there was no choice, other than american aircraft. You had Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed to a lesser extent. Up untill 1988 Airbus only had the a300/a310, so not a lot of choice, unlike the entire line of narrow- and widebodies they have now. Embraer was not in the mix yet, and CRJ's didn't exist. And Soviet aircraft, well, I can imagine the uproar of USAir buying Tu-154's and IL62's back in the day... .

Don't forget that British Aerospace had the 1-11 and the Trident and Fokker had it's products.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 16):
Don't forget that British Aerospace had the 1-11 and the Trident and Fokker had it's products.

Of course, but still not full product lines and the 1-11 and trident could not compete with the (newer) DC9 and 727.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
This is good for Airbus.. and congratulations are in order...

But it's kinda sad for those of us on the East Coast of the US as US Airways without Boeing just seems a bit off.. much like US works today. a lot off.. Not trying to be nationalistic or anything.. but it just seems that if you are gonna call it US Airways.. it should be at least some sort of American aircraft in the mix.. and it doesn't seem to be the case.. mainline is going all Airbus, Express is Canadian or Brazilian.. Not really anything brought from the ole U- S- of A...

I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

US was a LONG time American made aircraft manufactured customer and it kinda made sense that US Air was called US.. but now that it's becoming most foreign.. I don't know.. just seems a bit sad and out of place.. and less US Airways as more EU Airways..

Not that the aircraft they are receiving aren't great.. but.. well.. anyway.. congratulations.. maybe I just being silly...

NO FLAMING or I will Flame back! Big grin

Be happy for those workers in the US that build parts for Airbus there are plenty of them as you said as well as workers who build parts for Boeing are all over the world.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
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Quoting Moo (Thread starter):
* 10 A321

I thought the A321 order was much larger, 15-25 aircraft...? Or am I thinking of an earlier order?

Congrats to Airbus and US, great to see A350 orders  Smile



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User currently onlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Looks like US also took some options for future expansion of the A350 fleet. The article doesn't say how many though.

From http://www.usairways.com/awa/content...sroom/pressreleases.aspx?c=hp_news

"Purchase rights for additional aircraft are included, allowing for the eventual retirement of all other wide-body jets and leaving the airline with a single intercontinental fleet type of A350 XWBs."



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
So these are 10 new + the 10 ordered before.

I really, really don;t think so. But I guess we'll see.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
I know a lot of the parts of the Airbus are made in the US.. that is great but doesn't really matter..

Why doesn't it matter?

NS


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4087 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):

I really, really don;t think so. But I guess we'll see.

From the press release:

Quote:

Delivery dates for the newly ordered A330s run from 2009 through 2010.

Doesn't exactly leave much room for it being anything other than a new order.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 20):
Looks like US also took some options for future expansion of the A350 fleet. The article doesn't say how many though.

Well I suppose it is a considerable number then.

Anybody got an idea of how many WB jets US currently operates?

They have now firmed up 22 A350s, so I assume their purchase right will be for AT LEAST the rest (maybe more, giving them some room for expansion).

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):
I really, really don;t think so. But I guess we'll see.

It is explicitly mentioned these 10 A330s are NEW orders in the EADS press release, so I really can't imagine why it shouldn't be the case then. If you are right, then obiously EADS is deliberately giving wrong information, something any stock listed company will carefully try to avoid....

Delivery dates for the newly ordered A330s run from 2009 through 2010.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

BTW- the US press release is even more clear than the EADS release (if possible) on the fact that the 10 A330s are NEWLY ordered:

Read along with me:

Airline Announces Execution of Purchase Agreements for Airbus Aircraft Order.

The airline executed a purchase agreement for 22 A350 XWBs in both the -800 and larger -900 series configuration.

The airline also executed a purchase agreement for 10 A330-200 aircraft with deliveries starting in 2009 and flexibility to convert to A330-300 or longer range A340s.

A third purchase agreement was executed for 60 narrow-body aircraft, including 10 A319s, 40 A320s and 10 A321s, with conversion rights.


So 3 new agreements: one for the A350, one for the A319/A320/A321... and indeed one for the A330s.

Interesting to read that the A330 agreement indeed allows US to convert to A340s! Now imagine that!
A potential new order for A340s from an all new operator...and from a US based airline!
Seems like the sky is falling on the head of some people today!


25 Post contains images Columba : That would be awesome and the A340 (in all versions) would look great in US livery. I would definitely buy a desktop model I don´t think that this s
26 Zeke : No, I think that will be one of the leasing companies like Pegasus Aviation Finance Company How far off is JL now from his 200 XWB order target this
27 Kappel : When are the other 10 a330's to be delivered?
28 Jlbmedia : I still am not straight on this. The above quote dose not answer my question of 10 or 20 A330's. It relates to the "new" order. It dose not mention t
29 Moo : By my rough calculations, there are 186 firm XWB orders currently placed, including conversions.
30 727LOVER : But you have to remember, in the old days, there were a lot of US manufacturers. Boeing, Douglas, Convair, Martin, Lockheed, to name a few. Now there
31 Moo : I fail to comprehend why it is confusing as the press release makes it clear this is a new order, and I fear that no matter what is said here today i
32 Jlbmedia : At the risk of appearing like a complete idiot, I will ask one more question. I understand that this is a new order. where did the "old" order go? Is
33 Moo : The old order didn't 'go' anywhere, its outstanding on Airbuses order sheet and remains to be delivered.
34 Jlbmedia : So they have 20 A330's on order. I think I get it now. What are the delivery dates on the "old" order? Thanks for your patience and help Moo. John.
35 Post contains links Scbriml : Info on Airbus website now: http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...7_10_05_us_airways_92aircraft.html
36 Post contains images Thorben : Yes, I can't understand why anybody thought US needed to refresh the old order. Yes. My money is on AC. Can't all A350 do the China routes? But they
37 ScottB : I do not believe that it is at all clear that the "new order" for A330-200's is not simply a replacement for the old order. The NWA A330 orders were
38 Scbriml : No, but it does say "allowing for the eventual retirement of all other wide-body jets and leaving the airline with a single intercontinental fleet ty
39 BMIBABY737 : In service: A319: 86 A320: 55 A321: 28 A330: 9
40 Ca2ohhp : Seems everyone is missing the fact that America West and US Airways are under one operating certificate. Under the combined carrier: A319: 93 A320: 74
41 Flighty : Just because it is explicitly said, does not mean it is true. At least, they may not share your view of history. Although US did order these A330s ab
42 Flighty : Nor has mention of that "order" been made for years and years. This was put to bed a while back. The run-down of standing US Airbus orders has been g
43 Ilikeflight : 3 questions here 1) Will the newly ordered A319's replace some of the 737 classics or are the A32x's doing that or has that been decided yet 2) Do you
44 Ilikeflight : 3 questions here 1) Will the newly ordered A319's replace some of the 737 classics or are the A32x's doing that or has that been decided yet 2) Do you
45 SandroZRH : Ah yeah, and care to tell us where you get your oh so wide armchair-CEO knowledge from? Seriously, you know just as less as we do, and all we have is
46 ScottB : The Airbus press release says absolutely nothing about 20 A330s; it only mentions "10 A330-200s," calling them "newly ordered A330s." What is interes
47 AlexPorter : Since orders take some time to produce, and because they are on one certificate now, what engines are they going to use? Since the old US provided mos
48 Jlbmedia : So after reading the many posts since the above "shot" at me, I am not the only one who still has questions about this issue! Moo, you can apologize
49 PM : Flattering that you mention only RR but let's be accurate: IAE, in which RR has a 32.5% stake. Indeed. No-one is likely to call me "anti-Airbus" or "
50 Silentbob : That was what was said back when the order was originally announced.
51 N710PS : Sad for me in the sense that I really think Boeing was a better plane but such is life. Great in the sense that it will keep the company my father is
52 Mah584jr : This is correct. These 10 A330's are simply to replace the 762s that are currently in the fleet. There are not plans to buy 20. Any A340's will be bo
53 FlyingAY : If you are so sure about this, can you please explain me, why the company states in its press release that they have the option to take some brand ne
54 N710PS : The option is part of the contract but nothing will probably come of it. In the first round of Airbus widebody orders made back in the 90's this optio
55 Asiaflyer : With delivery of the new A330/340 to start 2009 and US China service to start also 2009, it sounds like this A330/340 order was taliored for the Chin
56 Silentbob : US has talked about getting some 340s as early as next year. Some will be picked up second hand but I wouldn't be surprised to see them convert a coup
57 Vega : US is now attempting to acquire 2-4 A340s in acceptable condition from 2nd sources. Only If that fails, will they will convert A332 orders to A340 or
58 PM : Any idea which model of A340 US are looking at? (They'll be -300s if they're ex-AC but if they ordered new builds might they go for the -500?)
59 Columba : You are just hoping for RR engines, don´t you ?? I believe they will order the -300 although the -600 would be nice, too.
60 Post contains images Teme82 : I know what you are talking about. But the global economy is what it is. And there is competition on the market so I think US had good deal here with
61 Moo : Why should they have to mention the previous order? And that won't be until the Airbus November O&D sheet comes out because I stand by my previous co
62 Thorben : I always understood it as that they could convert their A332s into A343s (or A333s, as recently read), but I am not sure about it. New A345 or A346 w
63 Gigneil : I am telling you, there are not 20 A330-200s on order. This firms the existing commitment. Nobody is trying to claim there's now 44 A350XWBs on order,
64 Moo : No one is trying to claim there are 44 A350XWBs on order because the June 2007 press release dealing with the agreement mentioned specifically says t
65 Gigneil : Show me some evidence of that please. And then could you please indulge me in some rationale as to what US Airways is going to do with 32 A330s and 2
66 Thorben : Only 29 A330s in my count, 9 they have, 10 are on order, plus those new ten. The A350s will replace the old A330s, so that there won't be more than 3
67 Post contains links Moo : Evidence of what? The 10 being on the order books previously? Sure - http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/ Download the spreadshe
68 Gigneil : Let's bet a genuine delicacy of our homelands. I don't know what Kiwis eat, but I will find something uniquely American and ship it on down under. NS
69 Post contains images PADSpot : ? Before they ramped up production, the A330 was sold out until 2011. Through the production volume increase each year got some additional slots, but
70 Post contains images Thorben : Well, I think there are always some slots kept for special customers. BA will get the first 787 in 2010, because Boeing "found" ( ) some production s
71 Post contains images PADSpot : True for both OEMs, hence no distortion of a fair race
72 Post contains images PM : Moi?! Trouble is, the Airbus spreadsheet has carried several orders which everyone knew were dead and buried. Three x A346 for AC? The A310s for Iraq
73 MCOflyer : I believe this is the original order. They ordered earlier this year with the big order for 321's and now it is revision. Hunter
74 RW170 : According to the US Airways employee newsletter, US has the following outstanding orders... From the FAQ section: Q: So what's the grand total for new
75 Dhefty : US has 52 narrow-bodies on order, including 15 A318, 13 A319, 9 A320 and 15 A321 aircraft. (Source: Airbus Orders & Deliveries 8/07). Since US states
76 Jlbmedia : How long can USAirways wait to acquire A340's from the 2nd hand market, before they would have to order them new, and get them in time for the China s
77 Jlbmedia : Hey Moo, I fail to comprehend why it is confusing to you, I fear that no matter what is said here today in any way to try and clarify for you, your c
78 Flighty : I think it is getting close. Either they find some used ones before say Dec 2007 or Feb 2008, or they are going to need to pull the trigger at Airbus
79 Dhefty : Here's the way I see it: TYPE.....BACKLOG............NEW..........TOTAL A318..........15......................-15...............0 A319..........13....
80 BlrBird : Will US use these 332's for any tatl routes from PHX assuming that 332 can do that?
81 Itsnotfinals : There has been rumored PHX-FRA service mentioned to the pilots by senior US management, but nothing official right now.
82 RW170 : They've mentioned the possibility of limited transatlantic flights from PHX to possibly LGW, CDG, of FRA, and the A332 is definitely capable, so the
83 Vega : For the nth time, there are orders for a TOTAL of TEN 332s, not 20, with deliveries starting in 2009. Parker had previously stated to Analysts (about
84 Vega : Obviously I meant 2010, not 2009.
85 Mah584jr : The option is there in case a dire need of new A340's, which is not the case at this point. The plan is to replace the aging 762's as a mentioned bef
86 Steeler83 : Then they will have A340 and A350s for Asia. I wonder which routes will get which planes. I wonder if they'll use some of those birds to launch a cou
87 Moo : Oh wow, sarcasm - it cuts sooo deep, I'm so hurt!! Wait ... wait ... nope, no I'm just not caring. I am under absolutely no confusion - the press rel
88 Thorben : They keep them in the orderbooks, as long as there is a valid contract, not as long as the a.net "experts" believe that it is valid. Airbus probably
89 Post contains images Bmacleod : Never thought I'd see a U.S. carrier so close to an all Airbus fleet. NW is more than halfway there. Any idea when US will phase out its 757s? There a
90 PM : Indeed. And that is really my point. My guess is that the US order for 10 x A332s is (or was) moribund but had to remain on the books. This "new" ord
91 Columba : I think these already have been changed into orders for the A319. I was told US will take no A318 at all.
92 Thorben : OK, I think we'll just wait until the O&D excel sheet is out, then all doubts will be settled.
93 LY204 : Ive heard references to the 343 being used as a temporary measure for the new China flights. Why was the 345/346 not considered further?
94 PADSpot : Too large? Too bad compared to the Boeing?
95 Gigneil : The A340-500 isn't too much bigger, its just a lot more airfarme than is necessary. NS
96 Flighty : I think you have every right to your own personal feelings. And you're 100% right, the press release did say these A330-200s are new orders. One thin
97 Post contains links Ouboy79 : I don't see why it is such an issue to understand US will not take 20 A330 aircraft, except for the sake of being flame bate. I believe this was poste
98 Silentbob : In addition to Vega's comments I don't believe any widebody service from PHX will be announced until the seniority list issues are resolved and there
99 Post contains links PM : ATW Online today (Monday) has an interesting take on the question of whether the 10 x A332 are "new" or not. "US also confirmed an order for 10 A330-2
100 Jlbmedia : Why doesn't USAirways just put out a press release to clear this up? Or are A.netters the only people that care? What good do it do to keep it a myste
101 Scouseflyer : You're dead right there - here on A net we get much more agitated by this sort of thing - most of the rest of the world just sees an airline placing
102 Flighty : They could have added a sentence to the A350 order press release that "the old A330 order is hereby canceled." They actually did say they planned to
103 Vega : Where on earth do you dream up this stuff?? The original A332 order was scheduled for deliveries to start in 2009 - look at the historical SEC filing
104 Richierich : Oh come on... the Airbus has lots of American-made parts too. Airbus employs quite a few Americans in its own right. A US-based airline doesn't have
105 Flighty : No. Used if possible. If none are found, US is not about to give up its China award by not having an aircraft. They will lease, or buy, something. Ne
106 PADSpot : I do believe that 99% of the passengers either don't care in what brand of airplane they sit or do not categorize it in "home-made" or "not home-made
107 Flighty : Those orders did exist, for sure, but they were killed. See below. I think it is fairly clear that US did obtain the cancellation rights you are talk
108 Post contains links Moo : Actually, it looks like I have been vindicated - US Airlines SEC Filing October 2nd 2007 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...00117902207000124/for
109 Slz396 : Moo is right: It seems the old order for 10 A330s still stands and is pushed back for delivery in 2014-2015; US has signed a new order indeed for 10 a
110 Ouboy79 : The 2014 order will probably not be delivered. I would image it is a place saver incase an issue comes up with the A350. I've seen it said elsewhere,
111 Flighty : Clearly, US has the right to cancel those orders at any time. So, they are more properly called "orders that have been converted into options." I woul
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