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US To Take All Ten Fingerprints On Entry?  
User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

I just came across this disturbing article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ma.../2007/03/17/etfingerprint11703.xml

The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced this week that it will start fingerprinting all 10 fingers of tourists' hands when they enter the country, raising fears of increased delays for travellers.

Does anyone know when, if, and at which airports will this be taken into use? I've already booked flights into the US and I don't think the tickets are very refundable.

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5178 times:
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Oh boy! I hope the arrivals areas at the major international terminals have been made bigger, because this will increase immigration time, by ooh, around about a factor of 5.  banghead 

What extra security does this provide? scratchchin 

Quote:
Bob Mocny, acting director of the US-Visit Programme, the body that runs the American Immigration security, said the new technology would improve both safety and the airport experience for passengers.

How, exactly, will this improve my "airport experience"?  Wow!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Think this is going to far now. The people will never accept this. It is just crazy.


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User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Joni (Thread starter):
The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced this week that it will start fingerprinting all 10 fingers of tourists' hands when they enter the country, raising fears of increased delays for travellers.

Does anyone know when, if, and at which airports will this be taken into use? I've already booked flights into the US and I don't think the tickets are very refundable.

They already do this for all non-waiver countries, everywhere !


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
What extra security does this provide?

It doesn't. If they're lucky, though, it'll tell 'em whodunnit.

Btw, is everyone already there fingerprinted? I'd hazard a guess that way more crimes in the US are committed by Americans than by visitors.


Anyway, I hope things have improved since Bill Bryson wrote one of his books where a friend in the US needed to send fingerprints and he only had 9 fingers... but the agency in question wouldn't accept 9 fingers and kept sending back his stuff saying they needed 10 fingerprints... despite being told about the lack of one finger.



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User currently offlineBloodyrascal From Bahamas, joined Mar 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

It is supposed to make it easier? so after being randomed search and all that jazz and no liquids or w.e and not being able to bring HARDLY anything anymore on planes, no food on flights unless they are like 7 hours (usually u have to pay) and now instead of 2 fingers you have 10. Oh man after all of this i would be really stressed out man oh man its getting more uncomfortable to fly my goodness.

(Stupid question) - would that also affect the countires that have US preclearance?


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

it might cause some delays but it is a good idea, that way if a terrorist ever came to the country and later committed a crime and knowing his fingerprint helped prevent a major terrorist attack that would be pretty good.

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

One day these people will realize that all these measures only hurt their country......not actually help them.

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
it might cause some delays but it is a good idea, that way if a terrorist ever came to the country and later committed a crime and knowing his fingerprint helped prevent a major terrorist attack that would be pretty good.

Yes or it will help to identify the terrorist after he made his attack. Good only for the media then.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5178 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
Think this is going to far now. The people will never accept this. It is just crazy

You're a guest when you come here, and are expected to comply with our rules. We want to know who comes and goes, it is our perogative. I fully comply with rules of other countries that I visit. Air travel is a privilege, not a right.



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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
They already do this for all non-waiver countries, everywhere !

No they don't - not on arrival anyway. Only left and right index finger, regardless of waiver vs. non waiver country.

Getting your visa is a different story, but this doesn't impact the queues at the airport.

If this is going to happen, it will cause complete chaos - guaranteed. it is just the sort of decision I can imagine DHS taking with zero comprehension of the impact to travellers vs. the benefit it would bring. As someone who travels to / from the US on pretty much a weekly basis this wouldn't make my "airport experience" better in the slightest.

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
it might cause some delays but it is a good idea, that way if a terrorist ever came to the country and later committed a crime and knowing his fingerprint helped prevent a major terrorist attack that would be pretty good.

Sorry but this is complete nonsense. They should put the focus and investment on finding those 1 in a million people, not penalising the other 999,999. I've said it before and I'll say it again - DHS is the most incompetent agency when it comes to security, which is unfortunate since this is their main remit!


User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
They already do this for all non-waiver countries, everywhere !

as far as i know, not i my country


User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

the new enmies are a blessing for "democratic" countries since communism is death. they're a good entertainment
and fear subject, as i said subject not object. no private liberties can resist, no critic can be tolerated and if you do resist, be aware!! atomic evil could get closer closer.. "you are not requested to think, keep busy keep busy, we will save you from danger and you better be thankfull" and in the the mean time we are leaving a death planet to our children.

that's what people call a healthy society, total ohh sorry capitalism is our saviour, yehhhh!!! :-|


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

I'm not sure whether this will increase delays, because you could put all ten fingers at the same time with the right scanner. However, even more people will avoid travelling to the USA. Not the terrorists, they don't even care about their own lives, but the normal, responsible, and self-thinking citizen with a free mind.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
it might cause some delays but it is a good idea, that way if a terrorist ever came to the country and later committed a crime and knowing his fingerprint helped prevent a major terrorist attack that would be pretty good.

You should read this article
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,509027,00.html

I think America has more to offer than the fear of terrorists:

Quote:
Before 9/11, the world thought America's slogan was: "Where anything is possible for anybody." But that is not our global brand anymore. Our government has been exporting fear, not hope: "Give me your tired, your poor and your fingerprints."

You may think Guantánamo Bay is a prison camp in Cuba for Al Qaeda terrorists. A lot of the world thinks it's a place we send visitors who don't give the right answers at immigration. I will not vote for any candidate who is not committed to dismantling Guantánamo Bay and replacing it with a free field hospital for poor Cubans. Guantánamo Bay is the anti-Statue of Liberty.
Roger Dow, president of the Travel Industry Association, told me that the United States has lost millions of overseas visitors since 9/11 -- even though the dollar is weak and America is on sale. "Only the U.S. is losing traveler volume among major countries, which is unheard of in today's world," Mr. Dow said.

Total business arrivals to the United States fell by 10 percent over the 2004-5 period alone, while the number of business visitors to Europe grew by 8 percent in that time. The travel industry's recent Discover America Partnership study concluded that "the U.S. entry process has created a climate of fear and frustration that is turning away foreign business and leisure travelers and hurting America's image abroad.



[Edited 2007-10-06 01:35:18]


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 13):

There are fewer people travelling to the US from Europe, despite the lower dollar. And I understand that. People who have to travel due to family or business reasons will still do so, but the average tourist often decided to go somewhere else.


User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 4):
Btw, is everyone already there fingerprinted?

Oh hell no.

A few states (only about six of them) collect a fingerprint to get a driving license. However, the prints are not good enough to use for law enforcement purposes.

Most Americans have never been fingerprinted.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 8):
Air travel is a privilege, not a right.

My law dictionary considers those two words as being synonymous.


User currently offlineTennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5178 times:
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Hey - I am a US citizen and work in Qatar. In order to get a work permit I had to undergo a complete physical including being tested for AIDS, had a retina scan, and had all 10 fingers printed. I realize this comment has nothing to do with travel and tourism, but, it goes to this - f you don't like the rules or laws of a country then don't go there. Your choice.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Well, it's either we accept it or we don't go to the U.S. at all.
Not that it is much fun going through all this but we have no choice.

Some countries are too laxed (France) some others are way too tight.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 8):
Air travel is a privilege, not a right.

I disagree. Most democratic constitutions I know incorporate some sort of freedom of movement and as there are literally no alternatives to air travel in intercontinental travel I would deduct a right for air travel that is valid at least among those communities that call themselves free and democratic (or at least commit themselves to "freedom of movement").

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
There are fewer people traveling to the US from Europe, despite the lower dollar. And I understand that. People who have to travel due to family or business reasons will still do so, but the average tourist often decided to go somewhere else

My parents were on a private journey PAD-FRA-MIA-GUA two weeks ago and passing through MIA was really a traumatic event for them. They hardly speak any English and experienced the entire process in MIA as pure harassment. Together with the apparently bad AA product on the MIA-GUA leg the US (from a travelers perspective) did their job in messing up with their image just again very proficiently. They will go to GUA in December again and were happy to accept the 300€ higher price of the DUS-MAD-SJO-GUA itinerary with IB and did not had to go through MIA again. And this might just be one story out of a million ...

[Edited 2007-10-06 03:09:56]

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

I think the US should consider an improvement to the technology used by the DHS and come with new solutions like issuing visas similar to the ones Mexicans get (Laser Visa) that can incorporate your 10 fingerprints. People who travel regularly to the US (even if they are under a Visa Waiver passport) should get this visas and DHS should have special lines for them at all airports (kind of the iris scan in EU airports) where only one fingerprint will validate your identity. This will improve the entrance process for frequent travelers who already suffer from major delays when arriving at US airports.

If the US wants to get the 10 fingerprints from each traveler, ok... but they need to improve the arrivals process and give choices to frequent travelers who have to visit the US regularly for business... some of us work for multinational companies based in the US and we need to go there for business!!


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Tennis69

It seems that significant numbers are already choosing to go somewhere else.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5178 times:
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Quoting Rojo (Reply 20):
I think the US should consider an improvement to the technology used by the DHS and come with new solutions like issuing visas similar to the ones Mexicans get (Laser Visa) that can incorporate your 10 fingerprints. People who travel regularly to the US (even if they are under a Visa Waiver passport) should get this visas and DHS should have special lines for them at all airports (kind of the iris scan in EU airports) where only one fingerprint will validate your identity. This will improve the entrance process for frequent travelers who already suffer from major delays when arriving at US airports.

IMO it’s a great suggestion. Question is: "Will the bureaucrats fall for it". I don't mind giving my fingerprints....I will give them an imprint of my “rear-end” in clay as well, as long as the customs-and immigration process takes less time.


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

That will be required next week.  Smile

User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

The idea of fingerprinting tens of millions of tourists every year is insane. It is casting far too wide a net. It alienates people from other countries by treating them like common criminals. It will continue to decrease tourism to the U.S. and erode any good will that might still exist toward the USA.
And why? Does anybody think Al Quaeda will send people with a criminal record to carry out a terrorist attack? No way. The 9/11 hijackers all had legitimate visas.
Maybe Homeland security is trying to making entry to America so offensive and shameful that tourists will stop coming to America altogether.
And how long untill American citizens need to be fingerprinted to leave the country and re-enter? Thats probably next.


User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 10):
as far as i know, not i my country

Most of Europe are waiver countries, to get a US visa if you are not from Europe or a few Asian countries you have to get fingerprinted.


25 Bennett123 : I am sure that when I visited NY in 2005 that I was fingerprinted. Despite a notice saying that VWF countries did not require fingerprints.
26 Post contains images Leskova : ... ... that has to rank among the most ridiculous PR comments I've read in years... And what, besides not travelling to the US will they do? If you
27 ModernArt : I seem to recall a thread a week or two ago about finger printing at LHR and LGW barely raising the ire of anyone on a.net. But when it's the good ole
28 PADSpot : Is there any information available on when they delete the information gathered from innocent travelers?
29 Sfuk : No apology needed from you my friend. Yes, 'some' of the immigration officers could do with going to charm school but the same could be said about ma
30 PADSpot : I did not say that. I just disagreed with AirTran737 who denied that there is a right for air travel.
31 Albird87 : Yeah and as guests you want them to come as it brings in money to your country. If they make it soo strict and a pain in the ass to visit then you ai
32 Albird87 : let me correct that should say land!
33 PADSpot : That distinction is almost irrelevant, because the procedure travelers have to endure when just transiting at an US airport is hardly less harassing
34 Caspritz78 : I actually think the 10 finger scan will go faster then the left-right index finger scanning. Every time I enter the US I see people struggling with l
35 Post contains links Jimbobjoe : Can we ever! That Thomas Friedman article listed before (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,509027,00.html) talked about it. Here's another a
36 Joni : There was IIRC a small controversy as the "DHS" didn't at first agree to disclose exactly what they meant by their statement that the fingerprints an
37 Magyar : Your fellow americans did not seem to think this way when the issue of the American pilots involved in the GOL crash was discussed here. It appeared
38 Halophila : While I agree, I can't see the US government springing for entirely new scanners; more than likely it will be that you have to scan your left index,
39 Post contains images COEWR787 : Dunno. I just got myself finger-printed and iris-scanned for getting security clearance and the fingerprinting process was amazingly quick. You stick
40 Wingnut767 : If you do not want your fingers scanned then just cross from south of the border. No passport , Visa or fingerprints required. And Mexico is more that
41 Post contains links Wsp : The process itself is rather painless when it works (except for the long queue due to understaffing). But what gets reported abroad is when people are
42 Post contains images Halophila : That will work very well if that's the case! Actually come to think of it, the US did invest a lot of money in those US-VISIT exit kiosks, then after
43 Post contains images Jbernie : If they use the correct technology to make the scan as quickly as possible, ie place both hands on this surface sir (scan) done. Then it won't make to
44 Post contains links Yfbflyer : Actually they have a great number of ways to humiliate their own citizens as it is. I think what is most egregious to most people is that fingerprint
45 BananaBoY : Not that I believe it is strictly necessary, but I have read that they believe it will not increase processing time by more than 30 seconds or so per
46 Post contains images Worldrider : not to forget the billlliooons these private companies are making! all the intense lobbying behind this paranoia seeking to invade about everything in
47 Joni : I don't feel this is the key issue. There is, or can be developed, technology to painlessly remove your testicles in 15 seconds. That doesn't mean it
48 PADSpot : That is outrageous to say the least. Especially for transiting passengers who do not want to enter the country at all. I don't think that people's pr
49 Post contains links Thorben : Man, if they even treat transit pax (who want to leave the US as soon as they can) like that, then there is really something wrong. http://www.tia.or
50 Wsp : You are missing the problem 1. you must waive your right to due process or you fly back on the next plane, 2. you have no access to anyone who actual
51 Caspritz78 : So why do we need in Germany a National ID card but in the US as a US Citizen you don't need one and no federal agency is harassing you to register a
52 Cloudyapple : I cant wait till they start taking toe prints! Maybe they need MRI scanners to scan your entire body? How far are they going to go?
53 Post contains links L410Turbolet : This Orwellian bullsh*t is probably contagious because no less disturbing news come from our lovely EUrabia... http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,..
54 Post contains images RussianJet : Absolutely right. You don't have to like it, I can't say I myself would be all that impressed about giving my prints, but if I choose to travel there
55 PADSpot : Meaning after the last who could complain is dead. ehmm, when I got busted after committing a crime that I misleadingly denied beforehand on that for
56 Wingnut767 : People in the U.S are constantly fighting against a National ID card. Also it is crazy that as a US citizen I must know have a passport to come back
57 RwSEA : To all you non-US citizens out there: why on earth would you visit a country that treats you like criminals before you're even here? Please boycott th
58 PADSpot : What kind of national ID card? One that just replaces the passport for convenience? Or one that includes address information and therefore would come
59 Wsp : Let me illustrate. You hire a hooker at a hotel. From what I understand thats not legal in most places in the US. Now the law enforcement can prosecu
60 WarRI1 : I could not agree with you more, we are the most free country in the world, look at the world and tell me who is free. I thinks as a US Citizen that
61 PADSpot : *cough**cough* I actually don't know. I usually do not consort with prostitutes. But If I did it, I would certainly do it back at home, because its l
62 Bennett123 : PADSpot If you think that those questions are wierd, try these on a positive vetting form. 1. Have you been involved in espionage. 2. Have you been in
63 PADSpot : David, I know that they are weird I answered by myself. But these are not the questions that have an impact on my privacy or limit me in freely transi
64 Post contains images Bennett123 : No, but you are trying to work out the logic of security. Perhaps there is'nt one. David
65 JRadier : The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourgh, France, Spain, Portugal... do you want me to continue with the rest of the EU?
66 RussianJet : Southern border issues aside, what would you like them to do? Just say "alright sir, off you go then" whenever somebody arrives from overseas and say
67 Wingnut767 : You cannot put that aside.The point is that if someone really wants to enter this country to us harm they will come across our open border. Fingerpri
68 Post contains images Bmacleod : Don't think Canadians will be affected as most airports here have U.S. pre-clearance. As far as I know, they won't be introducing this ten-fingerprint
69 RussianJet : So, you're saying that whilst securing the southern borders you should just let anyone who wants to stream in and out of your airports do so unchecke
70 LHRBlueSkies : There is a big difference between watching for known criminals/terrorists, and making legimate travellers and tourists feel like they are criminals/t
71 RwSEA : Actually no. In a recent study that I reviewed (which was discussed in Time Magazine), the US was #32 in the "most free countries" list. Pretty much
72 Post contains images Wingnut767 : Right because you are not understanding my point. Saying I should not have a passport was being facetious. Why should I as a citizen need a passport
73 Post contains images RussianJet : I understand what you're getting at, but I'm afraid I can't agree with the logic. There's a hole in the fence - close it, don't just tear down the wh
74 PADSpot : Even though I do not agree with WarRI1, I must step by his side a bit. On the one hand everydays life is far less regulated in the States as in Europ
75 JRadier : I believe wingnut is saying "If there is a hole in the fence, close that first before you start reinforcing an already good fence elsewhere"
76 L1011Lover : Any foreigner applying for a US greencard has to go through the exact same process.
77 Gr8Circle : I just visited the US 2 days back and had to record only my two index fingers....I have an Indian Passport....
78 WarRI1 : Let us not nitpick here, If you notice, I did not mention the EU, I would like to know what freedoms you have in the EU that we do not have here. I d
79 WarRI1 : I could not agree more.
80 WarRI1 : I would like to finish this discussion on my part by saying that we are all fortunate to be able to discuss this with each other and travel to each o
81 Bennett123 : WarRI1 Since you ask, I have travelled between EU countries many times, (twice this year - Spain and Holland) I have never been fingerprinted. In fact
82 LTU932 : Didn't they want to introduce fingerprinting in LHR's T5? And another question: I read somewhere that if you write the number one as 1 (as we're Euro
83 Bond007 : Well, if you're 'over here' you might need to be fingerprinted, else better stay over there... get over it. Jimbo
84 Post contains links FreequentFlier : I personally think some of these restrictions are a little bit overboard, but if you go to a country, you do need to follow its rules. These are some
85 Post contains images Baroque : If I have to go back to Canada, I will certainly spend the extra $500 and about 5 more hours flying to go via HK rather than Hawaii. The dumbest thin
86 PADSpot : That was my main criticism. They actually force people to legally enter a country against their will. I wonder how they proceed with non-VWP pax in t
87 Post contains images Worldrider : really??? just give them another "little" blow and americans will beg for a little chip in their arms and others will follow.just just my
88 Baroque : It was fairly surreal, all round. They did open first the US line to the aliens, and then even the crew line to get a little more speed into the perf
89 LHRBlueSkies : Not exactly a mature response. But if rules are unfair, unjust or imply that someone is a criminal without proof, then the rules need to be changed.
90 Bond007 : ...but this ?? That's nice advice for a family dinner, but I'm not sure about National Security! Jimbo
91 Post contains images Cloudyapple : What if I was disabled and had only 3 fingers!? Do I get refused entry?
92 D328 : Something that should be done, and I hope will be done soon.
93 Arrow : One of those was a cinematographer on his way to Vancouver for a film festival. He was pulled out of the line in Hawaii because his passport had stam
94 PADSpot : They might think that a fully screened transit pax inside the country is safer than an uncontrolled transit pax waiting at the transit lounge. A coup
95 Arrow : There's no logic to that. This passenger has already been through security and passport control at the departure airport, and his/her name isn't on a
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