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Midwest Dumping MD80s!  
User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

On Midwest's website ( http://www.midwestairlines.com/ ) there is a release stating that it will begin dumping M80s for A320s or B737NG. Anybody in the know have an idea which way they are leaning or will order? I'm thinking B737NG, but . . . you never know! Advance Thx for those w/ info!


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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Since the MD80s have been so good for Midwest I'd hope they'd go with Boeing. But this may come down to whoever gives them the best deal.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Well, since they have 717's, one would imagine Boeing would be the preferred supplier, given the "commonality" (such as it is between the 717 and 737), but nothing is set in stone.

The question for me would be "how are they going to configure the new plane?" Are they going to do a premium-style cabin like the 717's that are 2x2? Or will we see a standard 3x3?



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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

I'm no betting man, but I'm thinkin' they are going Boeing. Airbus makes a great product, but it's pretty sad an airline named US Airways flies a European aircraft. All joking aside, seeing as how MDW flew MD's for so long, I'm betting they could go to 73's and maybe some 71's if Air Tran will give them up.


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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
"how are they going to configure the new plane?"

Well, according to another prees release, the 717 fleet will be 2 class by the middle of next year

Well, well wouldn't that be nice of Air Tran to sell them! Maybe open up some more gates at ATL for those deffered 737NGs  stirthepot 

[Edited 2007-10-07 10:41:37]


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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

One would expect the airline to order the 737 (either 700 or 800) to replace their MD fleet (After all Airtran seems quite successfull with the 717/737 combo).
I do not know much about their finances, will they be able to secure enough financing to replace the whole MD fleet?



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User currently offlineAvconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

This should not be a surprise nor should the selection of Airbus be a surprise.

Ease of integration when NWA takes over.


User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Don't forget, Midwest could consider E90/E95 planes.

User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 7):
consider E90/E95 planes

Isn't a ~100 seater a little small for replacing a ~150 seater? Specially considering they already have a nice fleet of 717s to fill that size category? Just a thought...


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

It's been known for a long time now that YX wants to get rid of the MD-80s. This was known even before the FL merger went public.

For those that haven't kept up over the past year or so, the 717s will go to a "two-class," 40-signature and 59-saver seat setup.

Another forum member here said he had heard from within the company that 737s will be the replacements, and that this was one of Midwest's last major decisions as an independent company before the TPG offer was approved.

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 6):
Ease of integration when NWA takes over.

Assuming TPG sells to NWA.



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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

1) I thought that durring the merger fuss that Midwest said they wanted A319s or 20s
2) I also heard that AirTran was/(still is?) trying to find a buyer to take some (all?) 717s

[Edited 2007-10-07 12:23:23]


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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

I've always thought they they would go with 738s and I'm still pretty confident that's where they are heading.


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 10):
1) I thought that durring the merger fuss that Midwest said they wanted A319s or 20s
2) I also heard that AirTran was/(still is?) trying to find a buyer to take some (all?) 717s

Midwest wanted the Airbii in order to create roadblocks to Airtran. They may still want to do so.

Are you saying that Airtran is trying to unload 717s? Never heard that, ever.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 10):
2) I also heard that AirTran was/(still is?) trying to find a byer to take some (all?) 717s

I think you may have it backwards, AirTran has been trying to pick up any 717s that go on the open market. The 73G is not an ideal fit for all of FL's routes, and gives them flexibility in regards to scheduling as well. Plus, a large part of their 717 fleet is leased, as they sold and leased them back for some liquidity earlier in the decade. So they can just as easily just return them to the lessor when the lease is up.

Since the 717 has no commonality with the 737NG, it really is anyone's guess on whether they'll stick with Boeing or go with Airbus. With both the A320 family and the 737NG family both with 3X3 seating in coach, how would YX do their "Saver Service" cabin? Would they still do it 2X3, and wouldn't that make the aisle offset?


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

I may have been misinformed regarding the 717 issue. All I can tell you is that was what was told to me.


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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

it had to come sometime soon...im just glad the 717s arent going anywhere..

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 6):

Ease of integration when NWA takes over.

when would that happen?



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

I think YX will order 737s (737-700 or 800 series). What would a YX 737 look like? But maybe YX would order the A319 or 320 because of FL trying to merge with YX.


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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 6):
Ease of integration when NWA takes over.

That is what I was thinking.

Its only a matter of time IMHO.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 6):

You think like me. That could be dangerous....LOL
How bout this? NW leases A319's to Midwest and NW replaces their A319's with EM-195's.

DIdn't FAVRE tell us about the EM 195's?
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User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 16):
What would a YX 737 look like?

Here ya go...


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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Guys Don't forget that when the TPG/NWA - YX merger goes through, NWA will own like 47% of YX.

I would think that would force YX to go to Airbus !!!

So how about a Airbus A319 in YX colors?



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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Tim has been talking about replacing the MD80's for almost 2 years now. I hope they choose the A320 so FL can't use fleet commonality as a reason to merge with YX in the future. Also I suspect ERJ's will be on order within a year or two.

User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Xtoler (Reply 3):
Airbus makes a great product, but it's pretty sad an airline named US Airways flies a European aircraft.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Airbus use American made parts in their aircraft?


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13120 posts, RR: 100
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3331 times:
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Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1):
Since the MD80s have been so good for Midwest I'd hope they'd go with Boeing. But this may come down to whoever gives them the best deal.

It could come down to manufacturing slots. Airbus is working on creating quite a few more. Boeing would have an easier time ramping up, but hasn't been that motivated to do so. Yes, the AA order looks to be perking up Boeing production.

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 7):
Don't forget, Midwest could consider E90/E95 planes.

Embraer has a production slot issue. While I think the E190AR/E195 would provide them great flexibility, I'm thinking a 738/a320 would be a better size match.

Quoting MKENut (Reply 22):

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Airbus use American made parts in their aircraft?

Correct. 30% to 60% of the value of the airframe (model and engine selection dependent).

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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 20):
Guys Don't forget that when the TPG/NWA - YX merger goes through, NWA will own like 47% of YX.

I would think that would force YX to go to Airbus !!!

Well, not necessarily. Remember, AF and KL. AF buys the A320 family for that category, while KL uses the 737 for the same category.



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25 ERAUgrad02 : Only thing i can say about that picture is that it looks GORGEOUS. I'd like to see 737's in XY fleet. I know this wouldn't happen but I'd like XY to b
26 Jlbmedia : Might they want to get the A320 series for fleet commonality, as N.W. is a major investor?
27 Post contains images NZA320 : Then shouldn't Midwest replace their MD-80s with DC-9s
28 JetBlueGuy2006 : This might be good for G4 as they are looking to pick up some more birds with the new expansion plan.
29 Post contains links and images September11 : Wonder if they will do water cannon salute on their last M80 flight? View Large View MediumPhoto © Charin deSilva - YOW Airport Watch On side not
30 D328 : Why, YX is not NW. NW pilots do not fly for YX and YX pilots do not fly for NW. Who cares about the fleet commonality then. And yes I know NW owns pa
31 UnknownUser : If YX ever wants me as a current and future customer, they better order Boeing.
32 Post contains images JBo : They have 12, and they were recently converted to have 12 signature seats in front. Cabin service is the same no matter where you sit. YX. Have somet
33 Post contains links and images Mke717spotter : They did one for their last DC-9 flight, so I don't see why they wouldn't do it for the MD-80 either. View Large View MediumPhoto © Harold Meste
34 RayChuang : If Midwest Airlines does get an ownership stake from Northwest Airlines, then YX will get the A319 to replace their MD-80 fleet. The A319 has similar
35 DeltaL1011man : even thought i will most likely stick with Delta if YX wants me on a plane it will be a boeing! If it aint boeing i aint going!!
36 CIDflyer : I was thinking ths exact same thing!
37 ERAUgrad02 : yes thx. lol.
38 AviationAddict : Can you provide a link to the release? I don't see anything on the website that says they're dumping aircraft; in fact the only recent MD-80 related
39 DTWAGENT : I think it will be A320's. NWA has a few extra's and they could easly put them in Midwest colors and start flying them. That way they will not be sitt
40 Sideflare75 : Actually it's 13. Two in charter configuration, and the other eleven in the same Saver with 3 rows of Signature seating. Also they are changing the s
41 TrijetsRMissed : While this is inevitable, I will take it with a grain of salt until an order is formally announced. We have been reading these rumors for years. Can Y
42 LASOctoberB6 : i thought FL gave up, what are they planning now?
43 Dbo861 : If the cabin service is the same, then how much more will they be charging for the signature seats? I can't imagine people would be willing to spend
44 Concentriq : wow... i hope there is a good reason for it! care to expand on that?
45 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : YX may in the clear for now but I'm sure FL will make another attempt at some point. Of course with the A320, there is the possibly of being run over
46 Warszawa : YX will probably go for the 737-800's, new builds, or temporarily leased 'used' aircraft (assuming they're in a hurry to rid the MD-8X's out of the fl
47 MKENut : They have for now. FL has said they have not ruled out future talks with YX for a merger. I hope when TPG sells YX, that they are not easy pickings f
48 Tjwgrr : Yes. Good article in the most recent issue of Airways Magazine about AA's Tulsa mx operation.
49 Skyexramper : I'm expressing my vote in favor of the 737 for obvious reasons.
50 Post contains images Lrdc9 : I why would they try again when they screwed it up last time, even though they bid more than YX was really worth? Don't they already use those w/ Sky
51 JBo : SkyWest currently operates CRJs for Midwest. There was previously an order for ERJ-140s for Skyway that was canceled due to lack of financing. There
52 Lrdc9 : Thanx JBo, I guess I almost had it!
53 N917me : There was never such a deal/major decisions. YX is a public company (for the time being). A major purchase or LOI would be disclosed. There was never
54 SkyexRamper : Not if hasn't been signed. I wish I had made a photocopy of that memo, but oh well, it'll still be Boeing. It really wouldn't matter what NWA thinks,
55 N917me : If it hasn't been signed, well,,,, thats as good as saying " I have decided to buy an Aston Martin DB5"..(yeah on my salary)
56 SkyexRamper : And it's the only way to not have to deal with shareholders and any other BS. Make the agreement with TGP/NWA as the last Midwest solo choice to sign
57 JetJeanes : I read yesterday, the yx ,nw and that third party that bought yx is not finalized yet it was kick back for resubmission,, so they better not dump any
58 Super98 : IF all of this were true [any of it] why have YX brought in 4 [FOUR] MD-88s in the last few years and still be lookig for more? None of this makes an
59 Post contains links JBo : Interim stop-gap measure? And where did you hear they were looking for more MD-80s than the two they acquired this year? If you're looking for proof
60 Sideflare75 : When did we get the other two? Midwest has only added the 2 -88's this past summer and like I said before they are on a three year lease and the plan
61 Post contains images Steeler83 : This is still my thinking as well. All-Boeing makes a lot of sense as well as all-Airbus, as you seem to indicate. A 737 in YX livery would look swee
62 Post contains images Lrgt : I just can't resist... NW's scrapping 320's? Boy they definitely picked the obvious aircraft in their fleet to scrap
63 Skyexramper : Call it job security for you...
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