Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1529 times:
A Boeing 737 crashed into another SAS aircraft as it was moving out from it's gangway. One of the rear stabilazors were hit on the plane and both planes got damage. 240 passangers are being affected. Both planes seem to have to be grounded. The accident happend at Flesland airport in Bergen, Norway. The two planes were headed for Gardermoen airport in Oslo, Norway
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2806 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Does anyone happen to know the registrations of the aircraft involved?
Lrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): The two planes were headed for Gardermoen airport in Oslo, Norway
Both a/c were going to the same airport. Seems like they would just upgrade equip if load was this heavy
Lrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting DYflyer (Reply 3): Upgrade to what? The 738 is the largest plane SK Norway has.
My Bad. Should of donw some background research first.
SpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 669 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 2): Both a/c were going to the same airport. Seems like they would just upgrade equip if load was this heavy
This is moving a bit off-topic, but...
OSL-BGO is a route that could definately use some lager planes that 737s. SAS flies it 19 times daily, and Norwegian 13 times daily, both with 737s.
According to http://www.boarding.no/art.asp?id=24013 Oslo and Bergen is the city pair with the 7th highest passenger load of flights origin in Euorope, pretty amazing for a country with only 4,5 M inhabitants.
Weekly passenger numbers from last November:
Madrid-Barcelona: 149k (has the high-speed rail opened yet? I expect it to take a lot of the O&D traffic.)
London-New York: 84k
Roma-Milano: 82k
Paris-Toulouse: 62k
Paris-Nice: 57k
Paris-London: 55k
Oslo-Bergen: 54k
Followed by (no numbers given) Amsterdam-London, Oslo-Trondheim and London-Dublin
When considering the population, OSL-BGO and OSL-TRD (17 and 12 times daily for SAS and Norwegian) is clearly out proportion with the other city pairs. For the city-pairs in qustion I'll guess that the population in the catchment area is around 1-1,5M for OSL, 300-350k for BGO and 200-250k for TRD.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2806 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Agill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 6):
According to http://www.boarding.no/art.asp?id=24013 Oslo and Bergen is the city pair with the 7th highest passenger load of flights origin in Euorope, pretty amazing for a country with only 4,5 M inhabitants.
Well in a country that doesn't have any real roads that sortof makes sence
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 10): You'll have to make out yourself how severe you think the incident was
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6019 posts, RR: 55 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 6): Weekly passenger numbers from last November:
Madrid-Barcelona: 149k (has the high-speed rail opened yet? I expect it to take a lot of the O&D traffic.)
London-New York: 84k
Roma-Milano: 82k
Paris-Toulouse: 62k
Paris-Nice: 57k
Paris-London: 55k
Oslo-Bergen: 54k
Scandinavia doesn't have much people - less than 20 million inhabitants spread over three countries. But it has long distances and mountains, consequently slow surface travel.
And we are not used to wait an hour for the next plane if we happen to miss one. We are used to very high frequencies between the major population centers.
I'm not really surprised to learn that Oslo-Bergen has higher traffic than for instance Copenhagen-Stockholm or Copenhagen-Oslo. But I wouldn't have guessed that.
This incident comes at a bad time for SAS. SAS Norway, which was hardly hampered by the Q400 grounding, has done a great job flying some routes for SAS Sweden and SAS Denmark. With two 737 missing and still at least one week to go before all Q400s are operational again, then this is far from a wanted situation. It will probably not hamper SAS Norway's own schedule much, but SAS Sweden and SAS Denmark will miss some much needed help.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Can't seem to get the quote to appear for some reason, but Dave, here's a reason for the captain's "forgetfulness"!
The plane (RRA) was turning right after push-back and the left winglet hit RPK which was at the gate, having just arrived from a previous flight. The captain excused himself to the passengers as he forgot he was taxying one of 2 wingleted 737NG's in SAS NO's 50 fleet of 737's. There may be a long time between flights in the winglet-equipped versions, maybe weeks, and it's easy to forget the 2-meter winglets. Instead of trying to put the blame on someone else, he was decent enough to put the blame on himself.
N774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting FBU 4EVER! (Reply 14): There may be a long time between flights in the winglet-equipped versions, maybe weeks, and it's easy to forget the 2-meter winglets. Instead of trying to put the blame on someone else, he was decent enough to put the blame on himself.
But the winglets increase the wingspan only by 40 or so centimeters. So it is a fact that the wingtip was somewhere it didn't belong. Following the taxiways prevents colliding with aircraft that are parked at a stand.
Regards
N774UA
...follow his instructions, switch off at the stand.
CXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2696 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1529 times:
Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 6): Oslo and Bergen is the city pair with the 7th highest passenger load of flights origin in Euorope, pretty amazing for a country with only 4,5 M inhabitants.
Can't believe that they have just about the same passenger numbers as Paris-London!!!
Quoting Agill (Reply 9): Well in a country that doesn't have any real roads that sortof makes sence
Well your country is a country that doesn't have any real mountains, so it sortof makes sence that you have more roads.
Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 12): I'm not really surprised to learn that Oslo-Bergen has higher traffic than for instance Copenhagen-Stockholm or Copenhagen-Oslo. But I wouldn't have guessed that.
I would have imagined CPH-ARN having much, much more.
Does anyone have any photos of the damaged planes that they would care to share? and how damaged are these planes? How long until they are up and ready for service again? Kinda sucks to have one of the two 737's with winglets out of service.
Agill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1529 times:
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 16): Well your country is a country that doesn't have any real mountains, so it sortof makes sence that you have more roads. duck
Hey you can afford to remove some mountains, and still have money to spare for beer in Strömstad
It was not the span increase that was the issue in this case, but the almost 6 feet high winglets reaching up and hitting things, like a horizontal stab, not normally possible in a straight NG. Another contributing factor is that quite a few of SAS NO's 737's are ex-BU -400/-500 with a significantly shorter wingspan. The incident happened on the part of the apron that BU used to operate from before merging with SAS, and this apron is very tight. There are only taxiways leading you INTO a gate, not away from it after push-back. Normal procedure is to execute a tightest possible turn away from the gate area and go for the nearest taxi way centerline leading out of the terminal area. Another contributing factor may be that the ground crew failed to push the plane far enough out to allow for the winglets to pass RPK, another result of little experience (ex-BU?) with winglets.
It was not the span increase that was the issue in this case, but the almost 6 feet high winglets reaching up and hitting things, like a horizontal stab, not normally possible in a straight NG. Another contributing factor is that quite a few of SAS NO's 737's are ex-BU -400/-500 with a significantly shorter wingspan. The incident happened on the part of the apron that BU used to operate from before merging with SAS, and this apron is very tight. There are only taxiways leading you INTO a gate, not away from it after push-back. Normal procedure is to execute a tightest possible turn away from the gate area and go for the nearest taxi way centerline leading out of the terminal area. Another contributing factor may be that the ground crew failed to push the plane far enough out to allow for the winglets to pass RPK, another result of little experience (ex-BU?) with winglets.
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. However there is competition from trains too. In 2006 the trains between Oslo and Bergen carried 630.000 passengers.
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