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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Many consider 13 to be an unlucky number, but I think 13 is lucky considering the NZ threads have now reached 13!!!

In Thread 12 New Zealand Aviation Thread #12 (by 777ER Sep 25 2007 in Civil Aviation) we discussed:

NZs pink flight from SFO-SYD is now on sale with VERY nice fares.
Pacific Blue will be getting three B738s before the end of the year, with their domestic flights starting in now just over 1 month!
HLZ announced an airline fee increase to bring HLZ upto national airport fee standards.
NZ has been choosen by Boeing and RR to test biofuels on a non rev B744 powered by RR engines. NZ is the only airline to be choosen by Boeing and RR.
An NZ operated flight by a J32 made an emergency landing at Timaru last week.
AKLs second runway is now underway, espected to be finished in a few years
CHCs new terminal plans have been released, and CHC are wanting to beat SIN standards. Best of luck to CHC with their goals to beat SIN!
DJ have had ads in Wellingtons Dominion Post wanting LAME engineers for DJs plans to set up MX bases in WLG, AKL and CHC.
99% of NZs share holders approved NZs long haul aircraft plans.
And just announced today: NZ will do away with check-in counters at all airports and will use check-in kiosks and online check-in for all domestic flights but will still have staff at the airports to help passengers who need to check-in luggage, just like what UA do at IAD, which in my opinion is way faster then waiting in line to check-in. NZ are also considering a 'Happy Hour', upgrading their coffee to cafe style coffee on flights and domestic style theme flights, like the recent three Tasman style flights.

Let thread #13 start

201 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

The All Blacks will be arriving back on Wednesday on NZ90 from NRT. Presumably they'll fly JL CDG-NRT, or possibly AF.

Since NZ90 routes NRT-CHC-AKL, I guess Richie McCaw and other CHC based players will deboard there.

User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

so how are they getting from Cardiff where they were playing then. coach to Paris?

Vietnam time..
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

I'd forgotten they weren't playing in France! (Trying to block it all out, I guess..)

Perhaps a LHR-NRT flight?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Grab a Seat was today in ROT with $11 fares

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Grab a Seat also quickly just sold out on AKL-Tonga for $99, but I found some $89 fares when searching

User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Quoting TG992 (Reply 3):
I'd forgotten they weren't playing in France! (Trying to block it all out, I guess..)

Perhaps a LHR-NRT flight?

Would probably be one of the following
LHR (t3) 1935 – NRT (t1) 1510

LHR (t3) 1900 – NRT (t2) 1445

JAL would be more convenient as they wouldn’t have to change terminals in Tokyo.

"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Does Air NZ find seats for the whole party - players and other hangers on- at a days notice?

Well.. after that performance, you don't suppose they deserve business/Y+ seats do you?

It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

The previous guy would have clearly known that NZ1/2 weren't commercially based (end of the route etc...). Of course he would have also known that the people inside the business sort of rationalised it..."we couldn't compete with SQ because we didn't have a competitve product etc...". Up to the point that everyone assumes it makes sense. Because he's a sharp mind why point out what he thinks to other directors....when he thinks they should be pointing it out to him?. When they didn't point out a clear commercial folly he would have pointed it out to the top govt people on the way out the door. Other directors probably didn't know that he thought it was mad. It's why the govt's furious with the board. Doing HGK-LHR was useful from the point of using the natural momentum of the business to get rtw.

User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

RichardJF, it's high time someone told you a few home truths about Air NZ's "inability to compete" with Singapore Airlines or Emirates between the UK and New Zealand.

Firstly, Air New Zealand's two routes (via LAX and HKG) are both SHORTER than SQ and EK's routes.

Secondly, Air New Zealand currently has a superior product in both Business Class (lie-flat bed all the way) and Economy Class (34 inch pitch), not to mention having a Premium Economy product which SQ and EK cannot compete with.

Thirdly, my family alone has six (6) Air NZ Gold Elites and Golds because when we want to travel to London we want the choice of stopping over in a shopping city (HKG), an unspoiled tropical island (PPT/RAR/APW/NAN) or an amusement capital (LAX). We don't want to swelter in an excessively humid city like Singapore (1 visit every 25 years is enough for me) and if we wanted a tacky unbearably hot desert stopover we'd go to Las Vegas, not a Middle-East metropolis like Dubai. Consequently, Air NZ's network of available city and island stopovers blows consideration of Singapore Airlines or Emirates right out of the water.

Fourthly, Air NZ's cost-base is highly competitive, and far lower than the likes of Qantas.

Fifthly there is the most important consideration, which you seem unwilling (I don't want to say unable) to grasp. New Zealand is one of the absolute poorest OECD countries. Outward passengers from NZ cannot balance the books long-haul: the very sensible business model is to fly to much richer markets like the USA, UK and Canada where there is a market of much more profitable passengers to carry.

If, as you suggest, double-daily LHR services were dropped and replaced with occasional services via Cancun to Stansted we would find that Air NZ would totally surrender those high-yield UK and US based passengers to Virgin Atlantic and BA. And the residual low-yield passengers are a waste of space and money.

Air NZ long ago made a strategic (and sound) decision that the lowest fare, lowest profit Economy passengers could be gifted to the likes of Royal Brunei, Emirates and Singapore Airlines while it would concentrate on more profitable passengers in every class. That is not being "unable to compete" with SQ and EK, it is being "unwilling to fight for the least profitable passengers".

Air NZ's UK and North American policies are sound, and to be commended.

User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 834 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

Koruman I 99% agree with what you've said except for one thing... SQ's yields are substantially higher than NZ's....

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7166 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

Quoting TG992 (Reply 3):
I'd forgotten they weren't playing in France! (Trying to block it all out, I guess..)

I think we all are. Gutted by that early exit from the RWC. Interesting about the seats though with there only being 26 premium probably many of them sold. I guess its Economy for the AB's.

Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 6):
JAL would be more convenient as they wouldn’t have to change terminals in Tokyo.

Yea but ANA is star so I think they may go that way. But who knows...

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
Well.. after that performance, you don't suppose they deserve business/Y+ seats do you?

Well for a team that had an all expense paid trip to Corsica, with water sports and golf to boot; as well as days off in france to 'regroup' after a not so good game against Scotland, they might as well seal the deal with business travel back  Wink

In all seriousness, I'm sure we're all still supporting them even though they could have done alot better on Sunday morning

User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Aerohottie, I didn't claim that Air NZ has higher yields than SQ, I just put forward an argument as to why it can compete quite favourably on UK-NZ routes.

If NZ wants to grow its yields it only has the following options available to it:

1. Increase premium seating (BP and PPE) on 777 routes to North America.
2. Operate direct flights from Australia to the UK and USA.
3. Drop low-yield services to destinations which can't deliver high-yield traffic on routes to New Zealand (China/Japan).

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 10982 times:

A while back NZ was able to raise their premium pricing to the same general level as SQ's (I think about 12% increase). No doubt network-wide SQ's yield is higher, but I'm guessing head-to-head on similar routes NZ is now holding their own.

User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Grab a Seat also quickly just sold out

I have noticed that during the weekend, those "Try back later this afternoon" fares are uploaded in the morning. If one do a flexible date search, one will find them. For example, at 10:15am Sunday, there was one $6 CHC-WLG flight left on 13 Dec despite it says "Try back later in the afternoon". Apparently some keen people have already taken the other seats!

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Quoting Cchan (Reply 14):

Interesting, thanks for that. I got one of those WLG-CHC-WLG flight for $12 return

User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

And just add to that, although it says "Sold out". If one search the dates, sometimes there maybe pleasant surprises. I have done that a couple of times.

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

I wonder what the doubling of the available cargo capacity when the 77w's are introduced on the AKL-LAX/HKG-LHR will do to cargo yields ?
Reply 47 of the following link is worth reading. To go from 12t on the 747's to 25t on the 77W's is quite a jump. What sort of belly cargo is carried on these services? Is it predominantly fresh N.Z. fruits and meats? We buy fresh N.Z. lamb in the stores and imagine that it was air freighted as pre-packed cuts out of AKL three or four days prior! My wife say's in jest, perhaps it is from one of the 6000 odd lambs on her brothers King Country farm ! Or we go to a local restaurant that has fresh barramundi on the menu that arrived the same morning in YYZ from SYD. !

RE: Longest 77W Route (by Widebodyphotog Aug 2 2007 in Civil Aviation)

User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 969 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

From the Herald today

Qantas will target business travellers in the New Zealand domestic market as competition in the aviation market heats up.

The Australian airline will today launch new fares and timetables as it brings Cityflyer, a service it already runs on routes between the six major Australian cities, to New Zealand.

The Cityflyer service promises greater frequency of flights, flexible fares, valet parking and complementary snacks and beverages.

Qantas is also announcing additions to its fleet, self-service check-in facilities and an upgrade to its domestic club.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 18):

That comes as a surprise especially since QF said a few weeks back that they have no plans on upgrading or adding to the NZ domestic except for upgrading the current aircraft interiors thanks to the A380 delay. Well the new aircraft additions won't be B733s, cause there are none left with VH regos in the QF fleet, but QF have got 18 B734s left with VH regos in a mixture of configs. I highly doubt any B738s will join the fleet here. Wonder if the Cityflyer markings will be applied

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

Grab a Seat is today in Gisborne with $6 to AKL, WLG and CHC

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5519 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Well I would like to see some DASH8's sent over to open up more services.... one can but dream

User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

Groups in dispute over Whenuapai flight paths (NZ herald)

A group opposed to commercial flights at Whenuapai airbase says most of the North Shore could suffer noise and pollution from aircraft flying overhead.

Article is a bit confusing, I eventually figured out that by "southern runway" they mean runway that would be approached in their graphic from the south (runway 26) in comparison to the main runway (03/21).

Close up of the diagram from WAAG:

"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

An article on stuff about QF

Qantas is to return to free alcohol and food on domestic flights, adding to a major competitive shake-up over the next year


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12786 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

From the TVNZ web-site also about QF

Qantas is to return to providing complimentary alcohol and food on domestic flights in a re-branding of their New Zealand domestic service, bringing more competition to the airline industry. and some good news Qantas spokesman Grant Lilly says they will also be introducing online check-ins to speed up processing at the airport.

The airline is also reintroducing fights between Wellington and Christchurch - a route which it scrapped in March.


25 Post contains links NZ107 : Adding to the QF domestic - http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2007/oct07/3665 Complimentary morning newspapers, free bar servi
26 ZKSUJ : When is this free food enhancement thing taking place or starting with QF? Is it in effect soon?
27 777ER : QFs Cityflyer starts next month, and DJ are now offering $30 fares for 24 hours on the WLG-CHC route to welcome back QF
28 Cchan : So the airfares can't be lowered further?!
29 Nzrich : Well with free food and free alcohol depending on the time of day there is only so far the fares can go without making losses ..
30 777ER : QF lowered their airfares a few days after DJ announced NZ domestic.
31 777ER : Just looked on NZs Grab a Seat page (11.15pm) and NZ have added $49 flights between WLG and AKL. Those flights weren't there when I looked on the page
32 ZKSUJ : Yea thats interesting. Didn't even have the 'try back later' thing, just appeared out of no where
33 Zkojh : NZ will move with UA from T3 at LHR and Join fellow star alliance member BD in T1 as of May 2008,
34 Post contains links and images Spinaltap : When did Air New Zealand start removing their "eyebrow" windows?: View Large View MediumPhoto © Stephen Brown
35 Post contains links TG992 : Around the time of New Zealand Aviation Thread #4, which is late May 2007 vintage. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/
36 Jamie86 : So has there been any confirmed news of a new livery for Air NZ?
37 Rongotai : I know I might be a little bit unusual, but here is my rant on the subject of the QF announcement. I would be interested in how others see it. Speakin
38 777ER : Todays Grab A Seat deals are from Timaru to WLG, TRG and NPL with $10 2x daily is totally useless. You would have thought that QF would have learnt th
39 Flyjetstar : I for one am getting a little peeved at how we are treated so badly under cosy duopolies but as soon as the third competitor arrives the existing pla
40 ZKSUJ : I slightly disagree. I was checking last week, and NZ and QF on average have cheaper fares the DJ. So even without offering meals etc etc... They wou
41 Alangirvan : Qantas gave Canberra CityFlyer service just before I left Canberra. A cold snack, plus beer or wine after 5pm, on a service that is 42 miles shorter t
42 777ER : Hopefully Telecom will be forced to split into three which will allow other competitiors to use its network, but the new CEO is confident that he can
43 Flyjetstar : I think I read recently, within the last week, that it was going to be on domestic with new cities/towns being announced before year end.
44 Airnewzealand : City Flyer services have ALWAYS been between city pairs...not on certain aircrafts. It was an advertisement by Qantas on A332 at the time as these ai
45 Alangirvan : Canberra only had CityFlyer service on 737s.
46 Dj738 : That is simply HILARIOUS! I would love to know who at DJ said that?
47 ZKSUJ : I agree with you there. One would thinks that many pax look at an ATR and see it as an 'old propeller' plane. It's just the stereotype as opposed to
48 Cchan : I actually prefer the ATR to the 733!
49 Flyjetstar : I think it was this guy - Pacific Blue's commercial general manager, Adrian Hamilton Manns and it was on Morning Report this morning.
50 TG992 : Google returns over 87,000 matches for "lipstick on a pig". It's a well-established and old saying. Just thought I'd let you all know, in case Mr. Man
51 Flyjetstar : That wouldn't be a dig at a competitor would it? I mean to go to the effort of googling a quote.......
52 RichardJF : I think the previous ceo would be good for pointing the chairman in the right direction. Mr Fyfe should talk to the previous guy. He hasn't realised t
53 Koruman : Richard, what exactly has the airline been doing wrong for the last 30 years? Growing? Making money? Providing world-leading products (34 inch economy
54 Post contains links and images NZAA : Is it true that ZK-FRE View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Leask Is getting repainted lime green with orange spots as some sort of promotion from A
55 Post contains links 777ER : NZ Grab a Seat is in Oamaru for $2 NZ1 confirmed it in the NZ thread #12 Auckland Airport director under fire Infratil and Auckland and Manukau city c
56 Flyjetstar : My bro tells me he saw it in CHC today - green colored but the titles were covered up. He says it looks awful.
57 NZ1 : Ages ago. So far, only the "Holidays" lime green scheme on FRE. The mainline livery change is still a work in progress. Yes it is. Will be flying bet
58 V2fix : Just to confirm - this is a repaint ? Not the applying decals over the normal colour scheme ? Does CHC do resprays or aircraft ? I thought I remember
59 ZKSUJ : I got the impression that the 737s are all done in CHC.
60 777ER : CHC has its own paint shop, so domestic, A320s etc are done there
61 Post contains links 777ER : The RNZAF is interested in the A400M to replace its C130 fleet in around 10 years time and the Army wants unmanned aerial vehicles - small aircraft fi
62 Post contains links 777ER : NZ Grab a Seat is today in WLG with $4 fares Air NZ Dreamliner delivery delayed six months Air New Zealand's launch of a new lime-green aircraft has b
63 SunriseValley : Another factually incorrect headline from the N.Z. press on aviation matters. Boeing expect to deliver 109 787's by the end of 2009 rather than 112 a
64 Flyjetstar : Yeah good call. I just saw that article in The Press and wondered the same thing but like you said they aren't expecting their 787's until December 2
65 777ER : EK have got a return sale fare to SYD for $324 and BNE for $364 return from AKL and CHC. Fares on sale till August 15th
66 777ER : EK have got a return sale fare to SYD for $324 from AKL and CHC, and BNE for $364 from AKL. Sale on intill August 15th
67 NZ747 : Army personal started training for the UAV's last year at a particular pilot training organisation. Any pics?
68 Pilotdude09 : Pretty good deals today on Grab a seat $4 dollar fares from Wellington all sold out now though. Also was watching Tv1's breakfast show online and Tama
69 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ breached agreement with union Air New Zealand has breached an agreement it reached over working conditions for ground handling staff, the Emplo
70 Nzrich : I was quite surprised i booked using airpoint today CHC-BNE-CHC and it was not $199 but $167 each way got a very pleasant surprise ..
71 Nzrich : I saw the pic on TV 1 midday news yesterday all i can say is its big , bright and lime green !!!! Will have to wait to see what i think of it when i
72 NZ1 : No it is all paint. No decals in sight, thank god. However, due to cracking found in the lap joints (when it was paintstripped), it won't be flying u
73 Cchan : Aren't the ATRs or Q300s better choices for promotional colour schemes? A 737 only goes to AKL WLG CHC DUD ROT and ZQN, the ATRs or Q300s go to more p
74 RichardJF : When these top ministers are annoyed with the board it's always going to be indirect because they don't want the appearance of interfering in the runn
75 RichardJF : NZ could never support a business case as a logical competitor against BA,CX etc..... Mr Fyfe needs to get the board understanding these things. These
76 NZ107 : That was me a few years ago.. Why not buy this new aircraft? While the news shows another few million to keep these Hercules running for another cent
77 Nzrich : Well basically the regional planes do go to the major airports on every second journey as usually the departing or arrival airport will be one of the
78 NZ107 : How much promotion would they predict to get if they flew a prop to tiny centres where that flight is the only one on the tarmac at that time? Flying
79 Nzrich : Yes but just look at the routes operated by the turbo props they all fly to and from AKL , WLG and CHC on basically every flight either to or from a
80 NZ747 : Ahh yeah, searched the net and found a pic on j#tph##os.net of it. Looks ok i guess, a bit more colour would be better. As an NZ F/A shouldn't you be
81 DJ738 : I can't speak for Nzrich, but often, for peace of mind, a cheapish promotional fare, confirmed seat is preferable to a staff travel standby seat. Esp
82 NZ107 : For sure. I wonder if its so important to them that they would want more than 1 plane in that (eccentric) green colour. Anyways, does anyone know how
83 Pilotdude09 : Anyone got pictures of the lime gree 737? Cheers
84 Cchan : I suppose if they employed the designers etc., then they may as well paint the rest of the 737s when they need repainting. How much more does it cost
85 ZKSUJ : There was the 1999 All Black scheme. I think a Saab 340 sported it as well as the 744 and 737. Correct me if I'm wrong please...
86 DJ738 : ...see post #80
87 Post contains links and images NZ107 : One pic on the A.Net database: View Large View MediumPhoto © Graham Weatherby
88 Alangirvan : Are you sure the A400M will fly this century?
89 Koruman : That's a deeply ugly plane. But why have Air NZ Travelcentres, which traditionally ministered to some of the highest yield customers, been reinvented
90 ZKSUJ : I agree the green paint at the travel centres or now holiday shops make the brand look very cheapened.
91 Koruman : I just think that they should do random drug testing on: a) whoever designed the new logo and colour scheme, and b) whoever approved it. No sooner do
92 TG992 : We have infact experienced an increase in our sales since re-branding from Air NZ Travelcentres to Air New Zealand Holidays. This growth has been acr
93 TG992 : BTW, I don't see it mentioned anywhere on the thread, but the grounding the other week of the Beech 1900D fleet meant that ZK-NLH, which operated the
94 Koruman : It's a bit like the whole matter of the China and Japan routes, isn't it? You might experience huge growth in the number of people wanting to book a
95 777ER : Flights to RAR and NAN are typically holiday markets, which having an aircraft with a small number of high prices seats (business) seems right I've n
96 Post contains links 777ER : Infratil's airports have mixed September results International passenger numbers at Wellington airport are up 3.8 per cent in September compared to a
97 Nzrich : Actually i paid with airpoints dollars so i only paid for the tax .. Yes as a NZ employee i could of used staff travel but i want to fly in the middl
98 Post contains images NZ107 : I actually quite like the Warner Bros livery they have on the sole remaining yellow aircraft. It adds a touch of colour to the planes that fly over m
99 Cchan : Is ZK-NLH still flying now, or has she gone back to retirement? Hope they'll paint the koru on the tail on that one. IMHO, the worst looking aircraft
100 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Thanks! should look harder next time shouldnt i Well its certainly an interesting colour! but it does catch your eye, flying above, at the terminal e
101 Post contains links 777ER : RNZAF down to one Hercules A Hercules crippled on the ice in Antarctica has left the Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) with just one of its seven tr
102 Aerokiwi : I'm a little disappointed with it. I think they should've used those orange circles from the Holidays logo more. I mean, if you're going to be gaudy
103 Gasman : "The 777 is rubbish" said Jeremy Clarkson in his book I Know you got Soul, while extolling the virtues of the 747. Having recently completed my first
104 ZKSUJ : I agree with you when I say the 744 is more comfortable than a 777 in my personal opinion. It is sad to see the 748 overlooked as I think it would ha
105 LeonJunior : Being a pilot is what I always want to do. for your info, i am currently studying at university of canterbury for first year endorsement in marketing
106 ZKSUJ : Flying school wise, it is up to you and your situation. I suggest starting your flying getting your CPL and doing your degree part time. All in all if
107 Gasman : Yep fair point
108 Kaitak : Just a quick question about NZ's A320 fleet; it has around 10, I think, but also options on 319s and 321s (and presumably more 320s). Do you know when
109 Pilotdude09 : Defintley not the 738's would severly limit where the 737's could go in NZ, also too big a aircraft for NZ.Has been rumoured that NZ could look @ the
110 777ER : Those A319/320/321 options expired some time ago I believe. NZ have 12x A320s Latest rumor on the B737NGs is that NZ is interested in both the B73G a
111 Cchan : If I remember correctly, NZ1 has indicated that NZ may get A319s. Personally, I prefer the A319/A320 to B737s. The Airbus narrowbodies are more comfo
112 Koruman : Why would anyone already flying the A320 family replace 737-300s with 737-700s? If the aircraft was significantly superior to the A320 it would make s
113 777ER : I flew in economy on a B772 from LAX-AKL in August, and it felt the same as flying on a B744 in economy, its only Y+ on the B772 thats the concern no
114 TheGrandVizier : Hey LeonJunior, Now's a great time to get into aviation. I did a degree at Canterbury (pure science) in 2001 and then went to Nelson Aviation College
115 Zkpilot : Well what I've heard is that NZ longhaul (767, 777, 747) has about half its pilots due to retire within 5 years... many have already retired over the
116 Georgebush : I was on the MEL-WLG flight this morning, and on approach to WLG it was too windy to land, so we went around (happens a lot). Held for about 5 mins an
117 JoFMO : I did the AKL-LAX-LHR trip last May on premium eco in an 772. Compared with the same trip in an 744 last month I would in fact prefer the 772. The ca
118 Gasman : The fact you got let into the Koru lounge is irrelevant to a discussion on the comfort of the actual aircraft, JoFMO
119 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Sounds like fun, may be late but i reckon the best feeling in the world is when your in a go around, full throttle and aim for the sky
120 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Sounds like fun, may be late but i reckon the best feeling in the world is when your in a go around, full throttle and aim for the sky
121 Kaitak : Has ANZ had a lot of pilots leaving for foreign carriers; I know there are quite a few working for EK, CX and other airlines and I believe EK has bee
122 Nzrich : NZ manages to do quite well mainly because NZ is a desirable place to live so Air NZ manages to find staff .. I think you would find NZ would have th
123 777ER : The weather last night was due to a lightning storm sweeping up the south island and lower north island. Right now where I am, it feels like summer,
124 ZKSUJ : I heard that one as well. But some say as little as 35, you won't know till you are there. They are trying to fill the long haul S/O gaps at the mome
125 DJ738 : I'm curious as to the history of Air New Zealand's SU* registered 747-400s. ZK-SUI is a -441 meaning it was built for Varig, and thats fine I can find
126 Zkpilot : Not really Air NZ mainline... NZ has been losing pilots from Link services to foreign carriers however.
127 NZ747 : ZK-SUH is a 1991 build and went to Varig from 1991 to 1994. After briefly returning back to its owner ILFC it was leased to Air New Zealand that year
128 NZ747 : = Stick with your degree at Canty uni. Yes airlines like degrees but it is not a 'must' and they aren't too picky of what degree it is. The reason the
129 Pilotdude09 : I was under the impression and have been told that Air NZ employs pilots using a points system, hours, raitings etc etc and Degrees have a big tick a
130 ZKSUJ : Yeah, thats what I mean by VERY HIGHLY recommended. Of course this is what I've been told too, and no one really knows what the points systems looks
131 Aerokiwi : Does anyone know how long QF plan to fly JetConnect's 733s on the AKL-BNE route? I just noticed that in February, they operate once a day with the typ
132 NZ1 : Another bit of trivia. ZK-SUH was registered so, because SUH were the initials of someone involved with the leasing company if I remember correctly.
133 NZ107 : Just saw yesterday that they are operating a 734 on the AKL-MEL, and QF 134 (that same one) goes to a 738 for holiday season. On 21 Dec, Air NZ will
134 AirNewZealand : Hey Aerokiwi... The JetConnect 734's are currently operating ALL AKL-BNE sectors and also the MEL-AKL-MEL sector (QF134 and QF39) with Australian Bas
135 DavidByrne : The timetable still shows QF as operating 733s on AKL-BNE in a year's time . . .
136 NZ107 : Any idea of what kind of aircraft? More 738s or something like the A333s coming out of long haul international service?
137 ANstar : I'd say more 738's and if the extra capacity is needed then 763's
138 Airnewzealand : The three remaining Domestic JetConnect 733 are to go to two class...giving more operational support in regards to aircraft changes/delays etc... The
139 NZ107 : Thanks. The recent news didn't have much info about domestic business class.... Is it being reintroduced? hence another reason for changing the confi
140 JoFMO : What a crap is that? "I can assure you that we have not changed the way we do things in terms of our general policy, and in saying that our staff memb
141 Aerokiwi : Steven Udvar-Hazy, I think. Wasn't he founder of ILFC? Thanks for that. I guess the lack of yields makes NZ the first choice for older/smaller planes
142 Cchan : I have been thinking about the reason why QF look like they are using JetConnect as a dump for old 737s! And I really hope someone, maybe NZ, replace
143 ANstar : I don't believe there are ANY planes to introduce the A330 on Trans Tasman routes (Except the MEL-AKL-LAX A332)
144 Flyjetstar : Do you know - are any of the JC aircraft getting Cityflyer scheme or is it just that they'll get the new QF scheme?
145 NZ107 : Really? Well I think around March/April I heard something along the lines of QF is going to start phasing out the 763s on international routes, repos
146 Flyjetstar : I think what you heard is right but I also remember reading somewhere they were still going to keep some 767's configured for Trans-Tasman and other
147 DJ738 : Thanks everyone for your info, its all very interesting... I'm just still wondering how SUH, as a 475 was built for Pacific Western, but ended up wit
148 TG992 : Pacific Western was defunct long before the 744 was ordered. It was actually intended for Canadian Airlines. Pacific Western's parent company bought C
149 777ER : Some one from QF announced earlier this year on here, and I think it was also in the media that QF is replacing its B763s with A332s, and an announce
150 LeonJunior : Thanks ZKSUJ NZ747 and TheGrandVizier PS. Is the coffee still good from Cafe 101 in the Commerce Building? The coffee from Cafe101 is still taste so g
151 ZKSUJ : It really depends. Ideally you would like them both to be completed at the same time. But it really depends where abouts you would like to end up wor
152 NZ747 : I'm not too familiar with how the International Aviation Academy works, but from what I hear it's not too intense and you should have time to complet
153 TG992 : Several things that would cost too much to change. * Galley have no cold water taps! So you have to drain a boiler and switch it off to fill water jug
154 Alangirvan : The older QF A332s are with Jetstar and the new QF A332s are in special long range seating configuration 36J/199Y for flights like AKL-LAX and SYD-BO
155 ZKNBX : How does QF / JC seriously expect to appeal to the business traveller (and hurt NZ) with only a few rotations per day and 5x B733 / B734 domestic vs 1
156 NZ1 : Some of you may be pleased to know that the ATR's are on their way out, from approx mid 2009. I feel it prudent not to elaborate on the preferred opti
157 DJ738 : I'm wrapt to hear this... for the same reason as you NZ1... ...mind you it won't bother me as from mid-November I won't be doing any more relocation
158 ANstar : I don't think that person was that credible. QF don't really treat trans tasman as internaitonal (ie domestic config planes fly mostly). I can;t see
159 NZ747 : That's interesting, I didn't think they would be out so soon. I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going to replace them.
160 Zkpilot : Yup... I know Bombardier has been trying pretty hard to get NZ to buy the Q400. I talked to one of their people a while back and he said that they we
161 Cchan : Very sad to hear this. Had a lot of great flights on these beasts over the years. What's the chance of getting ATR72-600?
162 ANstar : Where are these A330's coming from? All the new ones are pretty much accounted for (ie to relieve 767's off LONG HAUL international flying). the only
163 Nzrich : Its a pity i for one actually like the ATR .. Mind you i dont like the last row that does not recline at all .. But after flying on them for work a l
164 Post contains images NZ107 : Yeah, so am I. How much longer do we have to wait for the next Air NZ jet order? That sucks! Some very clever planners were hired... I quite liked th
165 TheGrandVizier : LeonJunior, It doesn't really matter where you do you flight training. I started at Belview in CHCH then did nothing for 4 years, then picked it up ag
166 Axio : Oh that's a bit of a shame... I vastly prefer the AT72 over the Q300. I can't put my finger on it, but it feels more comfortable.
167 ZK-NBT : Thats what I'm thinking to, daily MEL-AKL-LAX service with either a 744 or a 332. Then 2 of the 4 SYD-AKL flights upgraded to 330's, with the remaini
168 ANstar : Yes on 767 long haul internaitonal routes (J = 2-2-1), but QF view Trans Tasman as more of a domestic market, hence why DOMESTIC 767's (J 2-2-2) and
169 NZ107 : Oh right. Thanks for clearing that one up. A while back they had the 743 running QF 43/44 though I can't remember frequencies or anything.. (it was g
170 Zkpilot : Yup... people are put off the 767s because they are old and tired interiors... Their would be less flights with widebodies as 737s would replace one
171 ANstar : The 767's are having a cabin refresh currently. I agree in the current states they are pretty awful and shabby. The new ones, whilst bland do look ma
172 Post contains links VHVXB : Pacific Blue steps up airfare war in NZ New Zealand's newest domestic airline, Pacific Blue, part-owned by British tycoon Richard Branson's Virgin Gro
173 ANstar : Wow $9 is cheap! Seems like they are coming in all guns blazing!
174 ZKSUJ : I would love to see the -600 series, but brains would say that the Q400 may have an edge. " I for one am pleased, as the ATR is a pig to fly/work on"
175 777ER : Any idea on when a possible announcment date is 3x weekly
176 ZK-NBT : Before the year 2000 I never saw anything other than 747's on that flight, between 2001/05 they used a mix of 747's and 763's and 738's with a couple
177 NZ107 : Wow now I really wish I was a bit older and could remember those days. How frequent was the 747SP? Did that fly SYD-AKL-EZE? Hmm funny you say before
178 Zkpilot : Speaking of which... well not really this is O/T but what is the deal with AKL runway?!! I mean it got rebuilt almost completely a couple of years ag
179 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Any more news on the 767 emergency landing from Tonga into AKL earlier this morning? You can't see the majority of the runway from the passenger seat.
180 ZK-NBT : This route was 744's, in the end it was run by VH-NLH the leased aircraft from BA for the last few months. QF flew MEL-AKL-LAX with the 744 from 1994
181 NZ1 : I believe around June/July next year, but don't think its set in concrete yet. NZ1
182 767ER : NZ107 The QF 747SPs only ever flew into WLG from 1981 to 1985 when QF acquired the 762.. The SPs were then flown on the SYD LAX SYD route intil the 74
183 ZK-NBT : I've flown the ATR72 a couple of times, I thought it was quite nice myself.
184 MotorHussy : No comment on whether the replacement will be the obvious - the Q400 - or the adventurous - the E170? Regards MH
185 777ER : I think NZ should axe the turbo-props for Mt Cook, and give them RJs like the E170s. All the Mt Cooks flights are over 45mins. NZ will face greater c
186 Axio : E170 Or E175 for a little additional capacity... E-Jets would have the benefit of being able to get across the Tasman - which might be quite suitable
187 Alangirvan : I think the SPs also flew AKL-TSV-DRW-SIN for a short time, and I think they were sometimes used on AKL-BNE. Then, they flew three times weekly SYD L
188 MotorHussy : Kinda what I was alluding to by saying: But yes, agreed; more flexibility and opportunity with them. Possible NZ narrow body fleet of the future: A32
189 AerorobNZ : We just got rid of SJ. I'm thinking restarting these routes is not a high priority, even with a smaller aircraft.
190 Nzrich : Actually HLZ and DUD will transfered from SJ routes to NZ routes ..Only PMR got suspended totally ..
191 NZ107 : Thanks for the info guys! It's much appreciated. I believe that every small international airport in NZ will benefit if the E-jets find their way her
192 TG992 : Hydraulic problem (which I believe led to smoke coming from the nosewheel). Uneventful landing. I believe it was coming from RAR not TBU although I c
193 SunriseValley : A question for any of the long haul F/A's... will you be working Y+ NZ1 LAX-AKL November 6th or NZ2 Dec.8th.? If our seats are not changed, we will be
194 Cchan : According to the onenews website, the plane landed at 6:40am. If that is correct, it should be NZ63 from Tonga. How about the Mitsubishi RJ or the Ch
195 Pilotdude09 : Only problem is Perth going to get stuck with them!, Perth is going to be a dedicated 767 and A330 city for the east coast routes in a couple of year
196 NZ107 : According to the website, they have an international terminal - used for their Singapore Airlines charters.. Haha I wonder how many cobwebs accumulat
197 Alangirvan : Regarding HBA. Ansett and TAA operated to CHC before AirNZ. Ansett dreamed up all these unserved city pairs out of Australia for which their 727s wou
198 777ER : HLZ and DUD are staying as NZ bases, but not PMR. Anyone heard anything more about Kiwijet?
199 Cchan : Not lately, but I seriously doubt if they will ever start up. After all, ideas are cheap, the hardest part is to put them into reality.
200 Koruman : Why is everyone so obsessed with E-jets? They are highly inefficient gas-guzzlers, by modern standards, and Virgin Blue is buying them only for ultra-
201 Post contains links 777ER : Thread #14 is here New Zealand Aviation Thread #14 (by 777ER Oct 20 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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