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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Does AA internationally neglect DFW? Besides seasonal, it seems they aren't to big in Central America to DFW. They have Belize City, Guatemala City, and Guanacaste Liberia, that isn't much. Most goes threw MIA. Also Europe. Why don't they have Manchester, Madrid, Rome, Dublin, ZURICH! They have this shiny new Intl. Terminal that needs to be put to good use. Thank god KLM is coming into DFW from AMS to fill another city.


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
Why don't they have Manchester, Madrid, Rome, Dublin, ZURICH! They have this shiny new Intl. Terminal that needs to be put to good use. Thank god KLM is coming into DFW from AMS to fill another city.

It's called O&D. The Metroplex doesn't have enough of it.

Chicago does.

[Edited 2007-10-07 18:21:52]


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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2349 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

I've kind of wondered this myself, especially since ATL is similar in population and hub size for DL, and their int'l ops are quite large. Is it just because ATL is in a better location geographically than DFW to capture those intl flights? Is ATL's O&D better than DFW's for int'l flights?

User currently offlineCopa737DFW From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5017 times:

The also have PTY nonstop but seasonal, SJO, and SAL but with TACA


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9661 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
I've kind of wondered this myself, especially since ATL is similar in population and hub size for DL, and their int'l ops are quite large. Is it just because ATL is in a better location geographically than DFW to capture those intl flights? Is ATL's O&D better than DFW's for int'l flights?

if AA really wanted to fly TATL from DFW they would but i just dont think they want to. DL makes ATL work because of its domestic opps. the big O&D city in DLs network is JFK(which is like ORD with AA)



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
Does AA internationally neglect DFW?

They still have a pretty decent international operation from DFW. Off the top of my head, they have nonstops to:

NRT, FRA, CDG, LGW, EZE, GRU, SCL

Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
Madrid

Only run through MIA....not even any seasonal for JFK or ORD either.

Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
Rome

I think I read somewhere that FCO will be dropping below 'daily' frequency for both ORD and JFK, but take that with a grain of salt. As far as DFW goes, Great Circle Mapper says DFW-FCO is 5614mi, which is really pushing the range limits of a 763. Such a route is beginning to fringe on 777 range territory...and AA doesn't really have any spare 777's for new routes.

Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
ZURICH!

It really is too bad they dropped this. I heard it was because they needed the plane elsewhere?? Maybe the upcoming ORD-EZE?? I do hope they bring back DFW-ZRH though, I'd love to fly that route sometime!!


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
Does AA internationally neglect DFW? Besides seasonal, it seems they aren't to big in Central America to DFW. They have Belize City, Guatemala City, and Guanacaste Liberia, that isn't much. Most goes threw MIA. Also Europe. Why don't they have Manchester, Madrid, Rome, Dublin, ZURICH! They have this shiny new Intl. Terminal that needs to be put to good use. Thank god KLM is coming into DFW from AMS to fill another city.

So this may be all dumb guesses, and take with a grain of salt, but:
Latin America: the focus is out MIA. Demographics probably play a huge roll in that. I do believe DFW has a lot of flights to Mexico.
Europe: O&D and also connections out of Chicago and JFK. As an example- Who wants to fly southeast from Denver or west from Orlando to DFW to go to Europe, besides a.net geeks?  wink 

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
I've kind of wondered this myself, especially since ATL is similar in population and hub size for DL, and their int'l ops are quite large. Is it just because ATL is in a better location geographically than DFW to capture those intl flights? Is ATL's O&D better than DFW's for int'l flights?

Again, coming from an "uneducated" viewpoint, but I think it's an "apples and oranges" here. I'm pretty sure Delta sends a lot more through ATL then AA does through DFW, and relies far more heavily on ATL than AA relies on one hub individually.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33179 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 5):
think I read somewhere that FCO will be dropping below 'daily' frequency for both ORD and JFK,

AA is now serving Rome year-round. During the winter, a daily flight will split between ORD (4x weekly) and JFK (3x weekly). During the summer, each will have a daily flight, as always.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7751 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
Is ATL's O&D better than DFW's for int'l flights?

ATL has better O&D to Europe but less to Asia than DFW. IAH however has about the same to Europe and more to Asia than DFW or ATL.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
It's called O&D. The Metroplex doesn't have enough of it.

Chicago does.

One thing that has always bothered me is that both DFW and IAH seem underserved Internationally by their respective carriers. IAH being underserved particularly bothers me because CO is just going to let other carriers take them. AA at DFW is another story. AA defends DFW more than any of its other hubs. AA also has proven that they fight dirty when it comes to DFW. DFW needs another city in Europe and one more in Asia too. IAH needs at least two more in Europe and service to ICN on KE.

One thing I will say is that Chicago isnt really a growing market where as DFW is growing exponentially.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
It's called O&D. The Metroplex doesn't have enough of it.

Chicago does.

I disagree. While the Chicago metro area has a population of 9.5 million and Dallas/Ft. Worth has a population of 6 million (metro areas) AA has a Dallas/Ft. Worth monopoly with the only hub in that market. AA in Chicago splits ORD with UA and they split the market with UA and WN. So that 9.5 million gets really diluted. So what is AA's share of that 9.5? 4 million maybe?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33179 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 9):

I disagree. While the Chicago metro area has a population of 9.5 million and Dallas/Ft. Worth has a population of 6 million (metro areas) AA has a Dallas/Ft. Worth monopoly with the only hub in that market. AA in Chicago splits ORD with UA and they split the market with UA and WN. So that 9.5 million gets really diluted. So what is AA's share of that 9.5? 4 million maybe?

Huh? What you are saying makes no sense. You can't just bring down market size comparisons and an airline's share to something so simplistic. You are entirely ignoring a multitude of factors, such as the fact that demographics play a role, traffic runs two-ways (and a lot more people are visiting Chicago than Dallas), few people are loyal to one airline, etc., etc.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Its pretty simple. You have x number of flights competing for x number of people. The more seats you have going in and out the less of those people you can put in those flights. The population of Chicago isn't infinite. AA and UA run heavy on feed as it is out of ORD. If the number of people traveling from ORD to any given destination is 100 people and UA takes all 100 people and now AA comes in and starts that route then either AA is going out empty or UA is going to lose passengers. Then of course there is WN out of MDW. They may start that route as well and take away from those 100 passengers. Just because AA adds the route doesn't mean that all the sudden an extra 100 passengers are going to surface from nowhere.

What is the market share for AA at ORD? What is the market share for AA at DFW? If you can't make it work out of DFW where you have a monopoly then you won't make it work out of ORD where you have half the market share out of one of the airports.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33179 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 11):
Its pretty simple. You have x number of flights competing for x number of people. The more seats you have going in and out the less of those people you can put in those flights. The population of Chicago isn't infinite. AA and UA run heavy on feed as it is out of ORD. If the number of people traveling from ORD to any given destination is 100 people and UA takes all 100 people and now AA comes in and starts that route then either AA is going out empty or UA is going to lose passengers. Then of course there is WN out of MDW. They may start that route as well and take away from those 100 passengers. Just because AA adds the route doesn't mean that all the sudden an extra 100 passengers are going to surface from nowhere.

No, sorry, it is not that simple. If it was, airlines would print money on every route.

Quoting Indy (Reply 11):
If you can't make it work out of DFW where you have a monopoly then you won't make it work out of ORD where you have half the market share out of one of the airports.

I seriously hope you are joking with that kind of statement.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 11):
If you can't make it work out of DFW where you have a monopoly then you won't make it work out of ORD where you have half the market share out of one of the airports.

...why do you assume that having a larger share of a smaller market, with lesser demand, somehow warrants greater amounts/success of service? That makes no sense.

If you still cannot rationalize this, you need only look to AA's other large hub: MIA.
It's far smaller than DFW, and AA also has a smaller market share. But it's also their largest international gateway, and not DFW. Why? Simple: demand and location. Same concept.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
I seriously hope you are joking with that kind of statement.

With a monopoly of a 6 million person market plus feed. Yeah. Seems about right.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
...why do you assume that having a larger share of a smaller market, with lesser demand, somehow warrants greater amounts/success of service? That makes no sense.

A 50% share of a 9.5 million person market means your share is 4.75 million. But given the airlines out of MDW have about a 25% share of that market they in reality have even less. If MDW has a 25% share of that market that means ORD gets 7.125 million of that metro area. Of that AA would have about half. If the ORD operation was so great then UA and AA would be making money hand over fist. That market has been so greatly diluted that they have to rely heavily on feed. Over 60% of AA passengers are feed.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
A 50% share of a 9.5 million person market means your share is 4.75 million. But given the airlines out of MDW have about a 25% share of that market they in reality have even less. If MDW has a 25% share of that market that means ORD gets 7.125 million of that metro area. Of that AA would have about half. If the ORD operation was so great then UA and AA would be making money hand over fist. That market has been so greatly diluted that they have to rely heavily on feed. Over 60% of AA passengers are feed.

...from where are you deriving these ridiculously inaccurate percentages?? I'd seriously like to know.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 15):
...from where are you deriving these ridiculously inaccurate percentages?? I'd seriously like to know.

http://www.metroplanning.org/resource.asp?objectID=258&categoryID=1

"Today, connecting passengers represent about 60 percent of O'Hare passenger traffic"

UA's bankruptcy report stated 62% for AA. UA's was 63%. As bad as that is those two weren't #1 or #2. I believe they were beat out by NW and DL. NW had the worst with 70%.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Ah. Now I see why your figures bear no reflection on reality.  Silly

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7751 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 9):
I disagree. While the Chicago metro area has a population of 9.5 million and Dallas/Ft. Worth has a population of 6 million (metro areas) AA has a Dallas/Ft. Worth monopoly with the only hub in that market. AA in Chicago splits ORD with UA and they split the market with UA and WN. So that 9.5 million gets really diluted. So what is AA's share of that 9.5? 4 million maybe?

I really wish it was that simple. One thing this doesnt factor in is people comeing from other cities to visit both Chicago and the DFW area. There are alot more people comeing internationally to ORD than DFW. I will still say that I think that DFW is underserved by AA internationally. But with KL coming in it pretty much evens things out for European service. I do think they could use another flight to Asia. Which destination im not sure.

DFW is very much a growing market. ORD isnt. I lived in Dallas for 4 years and there is so much development going on there. I can see why, DFW is a wonderful place to live. I currently live in Chicago. I HATE Chicago, but others obviously dont share my feelings since ORD sees much more traffic. AA has a great hub in DFW and even though ORD is a favored hub internationally, what is over looked is that DFW is THE most important hub in AA's system do to its extremely extensive domestic network.



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
Over 60% of AA passengers are feed.

42% of AA ORD pax are O&D, 32% of AA DFW pax are O&D. I'm pretty sure that makes your entire argument moot.


User currently offlineRfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
One thing that has always bothered me is that both DFW and IAH seem underserved Internationally by their respective carriers

Geography is a killer for the DFW and IAH airports as far as international travel to Europe and Asia.

Delta and Northwest make it very attractive for people from Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma and points north and east to get to Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit or other airports to cross the pond.

While American and Continental can match the connection fares - people just perceive it as "back tracking" to go through Texas to go east. I've got family near Shreveport - and all their trips to Europe have been through Atlanta.

The same applies to the Asia market and the surrounding states. Heck, even folks in Midland seem to prefer to Phoenix or LA to go to Asia.

People don't seem to get that international flights out of DFW and IAH are very little farther than some costal state airports. There is a strong perception / believe out there that you cannot fly non-stop from Dallas or Houston to Europe or Asia.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Rfields5421 (Reply 21):
While American and Continental can match the connection fares - people just perceive it as "back tracking" to go through Texas to go east.

I'd disagree, to an extent.

While it's true that neither can match the power of ATL or the costal gateways for transoceanic travel... CO runs a virtual shuttle from MSY (and to a lesser extent, the likes of BTR, SHV, LFT, etc) to its IAH-CDG/LGW ops.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 18):
Ah. Now I see why your figures bear no reflection on reality.

Search Google. There are more sources that talk about ORD o/d & feed.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 20):
42% of AA ORD pax are O&D, 32% of AA DFW pax are O&D. I'm pretty sure that makes your entire argument moot.

Can you back up your numbers?



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 23):
Can you back up your numbers?

http://www.erau.edu/research/BA590/chapters/ch6.htm section 4.0 table 2


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 24):
http://www.erau.edu/research/BA590/chapters/ch6.htm section 4.0 table 2

Thanks for that link. While it does show that DFW (for AA) has more connecting passengers it also shows that AA has more O/D at DFW than at ORD. For O/D AA had 1.3 million more outbound pax at DFW than ORD. But dang... 78% of the passengers connect at MIA. Only one worse is US at CLT with 82.2% connecting.

But that table makes my point about AA and O/D. While Chicago has the bigger market than Dallas/Ft. Worth it is clear that AA has a bigger share.



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25 TeamAmerica : If you meant that AA defends DFW no-holds-barred, then I'd agree. If you meant that AA does something unethical (or worse) then you are out of line.
26 MAH4546 : That link is also ridiculously outdated from the year 2000. AA is about 55-60% connecting at MIA now, thanks to three reasons, being an expanded dome
27 102IAHexpress : Sadly this type of discourse has become too common on this site. N353SK actually provided a source with hard facts and numbers which is rare on this
28 MAH4546 : Yes, it is outdated. Things have changed drastically. It is great that somebody is providing a source, but a source from 2000 is simply not valid tod
29 SkyyMaster : This pretty well nails it. Look at a map. Given the fact the O & D feed at DFW isn't that great, they need cnx traffic for European services. Aside f
30 N353SK : Nobody ever disputed the simple fact that DFW has a larger market share than ORD for AA, but rather your claim that if an international route for AA
31 Commavia : Everyone talks about DFW being "neglected." We don't have enough service, AA always neglects D/FW, etc. Honestly - I just don't see it. I've lived in
32 Indy : Much of that will be impacted by how AA chooses to route their flights. If AA chooses to route their international flights through DFW it would work.
33 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Better than it'd do from DFW in the same ridiculous scenario.
34 LAXdude1023 : I meant the first. I never implied that AA does anything unethical, I dont think they do. AA does however defend DFW more than any of its other hubs.
35 SkyyMaster : While this is true, isn't it really the same for every airline and their primary hub? When JetBlue went into ATL with a couple of daily nonstops to L
36 RFields5421 : Of course airlines defend their home turf. AA worked very hard to keep Southwest out of DFW. Now they have the best of both worlds with WN able to ke
37 Jsnww81 : Agreed. What's more, the sheer mass of the DFW hub means that AA is still running mainline to a lot of cities which have seen downgrades from other a
38 Indy : Can you prove that?
39 LAXdude1023 : Well said and I completely agree. ORD is definately a very important piece of the AA puzzle, but DFW is their most important and biggest piece. I thi
40 ElmoTheHobo : It will drop to 4 weekly flights from O'Hare and 3 weekly from Kennedy. This allows the station to remain open yearound with a daily flight. AA would
41 LAXdude1023 : Its the beauty of the hub system. What would airports like DFW, ATL, and MSP look like if they werent hubs? Probably not much.
42 Indy : Thats not called evidence. Just because a traveler chooses path A instead of path B doesn't make A the better path. Your evidence is the same as OJ s
43 ConcordeBoy : Not so sure about lumping ATL into that group, particularly seeing as it often vies for the #2 position of total O&D in USA airports behind LAX. Whil
44 LAXdude1023 : ATL, #2 O&D? Im not sure about that. Do you have a source? ATL isnt any more special than DFW. It even has less people living in the area. The only t
45 Indy : Provide facts please. Real data. Not an assumption that because AA is doing it that it must be right. Or that ORD is by default the right place and t
46 SkyyMaster : Exactly. You can bet once the WA officially goes away, AA will have a very limited, if any presence at DAL. It would not surprise me to see them just
47 Post contains links ConcordeBoy : Sure do. Latest edition of First Equity's Aviation & Aerospace Almanac. Since the end of the last decade, ATL's been right behind LAX in total O&D. S
48 Gigneil : Um, yeah dude its called common knowledge. Its discussed here pretty much all the time, and we discuss the numbers every year when they come out. Wha
49 CO777DAL : And CO will do gangbusters on DAL-EWR. They have already locked up DAL-IAH (16 flights a day highest frequency in their entire system). Amazing the c
50 Indy : You tell me. You are the one that seems to think that less is more in this case. I didn't say ORD should be less served than DFW. We are talking stri
51 N353SK : No, you didn't. The only source you've provided was a study from 1996 and all you claim that it said was that In the slightly less ridiculously outda
52 Indy : I've posted it. You don't want to hear it. You've been shown that AA has a bigger operation in DFW than ORD. But it isn't the answer you want to hear
53 RFields5421 : Of course both AA and Southwest got what they want out of the Love deal. They both sold the public and the politicians a line of BS in the 'battle' a
54 SkyyMaster : I agree, although once the final restrictions have been lifted, we will obviously see WN add service outside the traditional WA territory. Whether it
55 RFields5421 : No - the federal legislation which "Set Love Free" prevents lawsuits finding liability against Southwest, the Love Airport or the cities of Dallas an
56 Commavia : About damn time somebody said. Exactly 100% correct. Despite all of their (incredibly successful) PR to the contrary, Southwest is a business - just
57 SkyyMaster : Perhaps, but just because it's a law doesn't mean it won't get challenged. I am a strong supporter of WN, but I think the compromise is patently unfa
58 Gsosbee : To answer the question, AA does not neglect DFW, but the price is crappy customer service for DFW O&D customers. Two years, five years, sometime (prob
59 Commavia : If that's what it's going to take, then I'd say get used to AA's "crappy customer service" because I don't see foreign ownership restrictions being l
60 Gsosbee : It is comforting to think that air travel is a "sacred" national industry, but it is way down the list on "critical" national industries. The politica
61 Commavia : Just ask your friendly neighborhood senator or congressman from Texas, Illinois, Georgia or Minnesota about that. We're already there, and nothing is
62 FlyPNS1 : IIRC, DFW is the second largest single airline hub with almost 700 daily flights (DL's ATL hub is obviously #1 with 1000+ flights). So how is 700 flig
63 Commavia : It is indeed, and it's actually nearly 800 flights per day.
64 SESGDL : Well, MSP, DFW, and ATL all have sizable O&D percentages, ATL being the largest, but DFW is close behind. MSP commands roughly 16 million O&D passeng
65 Bartond : I agree. If AA didn't have major hubs/focus cities in major international markets like ORD, JFK, and MIA then maybe DFW would turn in to an ATL and g
66 B752OS : I am sure those airports do have decent O&D, but as it was said, those airports would not have nearly the amount of service if it not for airlines op
67 LAXdude1023 : I would hardly call it neglect. DFW is number one for AA and that isnt even up for discussion. Just like ORD is number one for UA and ATL is number o
68 Post contains links ModernArt : It was AA and their 56-seat F-100s and their 'tried and true underhanded tactics' that did the ultimate damage to and the death of Legend. Legend bar
69 Commavia : Oh please, we've been through this and heard it over and over again and again. For the millionth time - at least from me - Legend was doing enough st
70 ConcordeBoy : ...if you cannot even decide what it is you want to see compared, then posting an endless cavalcade of data would be a complete and utter waste of my
71 RFields5421 : Herb Kellerher himself has been shown on TV in Dallas in the 90's saying the Wright Amendment "ensured Love would remain an important part of the Dal
72 RFields5421 : Understand that I'm not overcritical of the current situation in DFW/ DAL. It has made my life and travel easier since I no longer have to do the Two-
73 SkyyMaster : Isn't that phrase somewhat of an oxymoron? Really, this thread is all over the map. The point should be, that DFW is anything but neglected by AA. It
74 LAXdude1023 : Good anaylsis. However, ZRH made since when the route was opened. AA and LX used to be very close partners. In fact, DFW-ZRH used to be a very profit
75 Viscount724 : AA has always preferred to limit international routes to markets with a higher proportion of O/D traffic and rely less on connections with alliance p
76 Tismfu : Actually, there's quite a bit more to add. The original master plan called for up to 13 horseshoe-shaped terminals, IIRC. And Terminal F is not a mat
77 Skyymaster : While space is obviously not an issue, as others have pointed out, I really do not see anyone making any attempts to make DFW a hub or even a focus c
78 Commavia : Not even close. The airport's master plan has room for - at max - 6 semi-circles, 5 of which have already been built (D being a square, but still). T
79 Post contains links Tismfu : Well, you just have to look from the air to see that DFW has room for far more than 6 semicircles: View Larger Map Furthermore, why did DFW originall
80 Post contains links Tismfu : Well, you just have to look from the air to see that DFW has room for far more than 6 semicircles: View Larger Map Furthermore, why did DFW originall
81 SkyyMaster : Somewhere, I still have the Popular Science magazine from the early 70's about the huge new airport being built at DFW. The original master plan did
82 PennStation : I don't know what was in the original master plan, but the text and illustrations that were released to the press when the airport was dedicated (Sep
83 PennStation : The final build-out provided for four terminals north of the north (taxiway) bridges, six terminals between the bridges, and three south of the south
84 SkyyMaster : OK, after I posted that, I started having my doubts for sure if that was the missing position but no way I was going to dig through boxes to look for
85 B752OS : Please, you honestly believe ATL could support all of the European and Asian flights on O&D alone? You really believe KL has daily ICN flights based
86 ConcordeBoy : Please show me where I've stated, or even implied, either of the above.[Edited 2007-10-14 12:32:31]
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AA 767-300 FC/BC DFW To HNL? posted Mon Sep 24 2007 19:12:27 by Mauiman31
DFW Water Salutes posted Wed Sep 19 2007 05:51:35 by TCFC424
DFW T-Storms - AAEagle Flight posted Tue Sep 11 2007 01:50:30 by TWAL10114ever
Delta Adding More Flt/seats DFW-ATL posted Fri Sep 7 2007 20:22:00 by SUPER80
American (Eagle) Began FNT-DFW Today posted Fri Sep 7 2007 00:55:31 by Flyinryan99
Jade And Shanghai Cargo Coming To DFW posted Tue Sep 4 2007 07:05:14 by ZuluLima
NW Cancels DFW-LGA Before It Begins posted Fri Aug 31 2007 23:00:39 by DeltaFFinDFW