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Questions Regards AA and DL MD80 & 90 Status  
User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 295 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Few questions:
What is the status of MD80 operations today, especially AA and Delta.
Also, why didnt AA buy the MD90 and keep the 717 since they already had the MD80. At least the 717s could have replaced the F100s.

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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

AA did have MD-90s with the purchase of Reno Air. They opted not to keep them along as with the 717s they acquired from TW.

User currently offlineDLOnur From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

DL has a crap load of these A/C.

IMHO, the 90's are pieces of crap and should be done away with.

The 80's on the other hand seem to be pretty good for DL's short term plans as a stop gap for domestic operation as they pull more 752's for international operations.

As of today, DL has the following:

MD90's: 16 A/C Reg #'s: N901DA-N909DA, N910DN, N911DA, N912DN-N916DN.

MD88's: 120 A/C (lots of different Reg. #'s)

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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Is it true that after American had Reno Air for lunch, they offered their 5 MD-90's to Delta and Delta tried to get AA to take their 16 models?

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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 2):
IMHO, the 90's are pieces of crap and should be done away with.

Unfortunately for you, Delta is interested in acquring China Southern's MD-90s. Because the resale value of the MD-90 is very low, this will be much cheaper than buying new 737-800s. These MD-90s could be used to expand at SLC and free 737-800s to Delta's other three hubs. Last time I heard, the chances of Delta acquring these MD-90s is about 80%. Hopefully Delta adds IFE to them as the China Southern MD-90s do not currently feature IFE.



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2505 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

DL also last month returned two MD88 to their lessors. We now have 118 in the fleet. I don't think there are any plans to return any more in the near future.

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2238 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Thread starter):
why didnt AA buy the MD90

AA's relationship with MDC soured with the MD-11. By the time they had taken the ex-Reno aircraft, AA was already committed to the 738.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Last time I heard, the chances of Delta acquring these MD-90s is about 80%.

How long ago was that? I read on here that the deal was off, I hope not though.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

It's a shame Delta didn't get their hands on the ex-ProAir MD-90s before they were scrapped. As for the China Southern rumor, don't be so sure that the deal's off...


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User currently offlineDLOnur From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

I agree.

The MD90's from China will **probably** happen in the next year (this from a pretty upper management source at TechOps). I'm not very happy with the possible acquisition, but it is what it is.

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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2238 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 8):
The MD90's from China will **probably** happen in the next year (this from a pretty upper management source at TechOps).

Good news, I'll be looking forward to the press release.  Smile



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

If September 11th hadn't happened, AA would have continued to take delivery of 717s. I remember seeing an interview with Boeing CEO Phil Condit while AA was in the process of acquiring TWA. He said that AA intended to take delivery of all of the firm orders and hadn't ruled out taking some of the options.

AA had a big problem with the lease rates on the 717s and could not get a price that it wanted from Boeing. Since the F100s were paid for, the 717s went back to Boeing.

A friend of mine who flies for AA has told me that if managment had known in '01 what it figured out by '03, that the cost of maintaining the F100 fleet become very high, it probably would have kept the 717s and disposed of the F100s.

Since the retirement of the F100s, AA has had a lot of scheduling headaches with no 100-seat airplane, and customers that were used to first-class upgrades on the Fokkers have let customer service know that they don't care for the single-class Embrears and CRJs.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 2):
MD88's: 120 A/C (lots of different Reg. #'s)

N901DL-N926DL, N927DA, N928DL-N998DL, N999DN, N900DE-920DE.

As said, N901DL (901) and N902DL (902) have been returned and are no longer with us. R.I.P. (yes I know they aren't really dead yet)


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 11):
As said, N901DL (901) and N902DL (902) have been returned and are no longer with us. R.I.P. (yes I know they aren't really dead yet)

Aww, really? N901DL is the only mainline Delta plane I've been on. Did it get scrapped, stored, or sent elsewhere? It had the new interior too when I flew it in April 2005. At least I think my DL Connection CRJ is still around... at any rate I only know of two aircraft I've flown on that have been sent elsewhere, re-branded (not counting HP planes that are now US) or retired - N901DL and then a US Airways Express E170 (which was actually my last flight on June 22nd) which has been transferred to Frontier JetExpress, but is still otherwise with Republic.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

I'm actually flying my first-ever MD-90s flights at the end of this month. (DEN-SLC-LAS).

1. Why is there so much buzz about these birds being junk?

2. Also, why does Delta base them all out of SLC?

3. I thought the MD-90s were slightly larger than MD-88s...but they look like they carry less pax. Yes or no?

4. Anything else I should know about them before my flights? I'm sitting in 33E both segments...so I can hear the purr of the engines.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
3. I thought the MD-90s were slightly larger than MD-88s...but they look like they carry less pax. Yes or no?

No, in Delta's config, the MD-90s seat 150 passengers, while the MD-88s seat 142.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 12):
Aww, really? N901DL is the only mainline Delta plane I've been on. Did it get scrapped, stored, or sent elsewhere?

Yes, really. They have been returned to the lessor. No word yet what is being done with them. My best guess is that they will try to get some cheap airline to buy them or something. If no one bites - scrap 'em. That's just a guess though. Anyone with insider input can chime in on this one.

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
1. Why is there so much buzz about these birds being junk?

Cus they're old. But so are a lot of other planes, so I don't see what the big deal is. I might take a guess and say the other thing is that they are limited and a bit 'unique'.

Quoting DIA (Reply 13):
2. Also, why does Delta base them all out of SLC?

Because they have better performance then the MD-88 and work better in the hot/dry/high environment.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 15):
Cus they're old. But so are a lot of other planes, so I don't see what the big deal is. I might take a guess and say the other thing is that they are limited and a bit 'unique'.

They are not THAT old, the first MD-90 was delivered in 1995, which is still quite young compared to some of Delta's MD-88s, 757s, and domestic 767-300s. I would expect that the MD-90s will be Delta's last McDonnell Douglas aircraft to be retired, after the MD-88s are retired. While they did frequently have mechanical problems when they first entered service, those problems are not as common now and Delta is now fine with their MD-90s, which is why Delta is interested in acquring some second-hand.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
They are not THAT old, the first MD-90 was delivered in 1995

True, my mistake.


User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
While they did frequently have mechanical problems when they first entered service, those problems are not as common now and Delta is now fine with their MD-90s,

Weren't those early problems for the most part self inflicted, because ground crews ignored instructions as to the ground power units??



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User currently offlineAirplaneFan From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

This may be a stupid question, but why does DL have most of their MD-90's based in SLC?


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

The MD-90 is considered junk because it has reliability (read: dispatch reliability) problems.
I think the biggest problem was MD's choice to use VSCF generators rather than the more common IDG setup. Notice Boeing flip flopped on this one too: the 737NG reverted to the old-school IDG design.
The first several MD-90s delivered to Scandinavian wouldn't fly, and SAS had Douglas come to Arlanda and do a complete nose-to-tail rewire.
Delta's birds apparently have to be "re-booted" frequently at the gate.
I've never flown on one, but look forward to it on my DFW-SLC leg after Thanksgiving holiday.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 19):
This may be a stupid question, but why does DL have most of their MD-90's based in SLC?

Perfect for the routes they fly out there. As you may know, the 90 has the largest tail mounted engine out there and it performs well in the climates out there. As some also may or may not not, the MD90 COULD have been today what the 738 is for Delta's fleet. can someone who knows more about that issue please elaborate.



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User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 19):
This may be a stupid question, but why does DL have most of their MD-90's based in SLC?

DLs MD90s have better high altitude performance than their MD88s (read, more powerful engines) this is helpful due to SLCs altitude and single engine out performance requirements. There are also several west coast airports that have noise restrictions that the MD90s meet.

This is not to say that on occasion you will see MD88s sub for MD90s in SLC. AA operates either their MD82s or MD83s into SLC.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Interesting note on the 90 and I am sure someone can go more into detail about it but it could have been what the 738 is for Delta today. Something about issues with MD is what changed their mind.


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User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Delta at first was going to buy the MD-90 to replace the 727s. But after the problems that the MD-90's had when they entered service, Delta thought against it being a replacement for the 727s and then turned around and bought the 737-800.


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25 Deltasju777 : How many are they planning to acquire from China?
26 Gt1 : I'm digging deep into the memory banks now, but I think Delta was the launch customer for the MD90, with 50 orders and 50 options. At approximately th
27 1337Delta764 : I believe all 13 of them. I wonder if Delta will add IFE to them or not, though, as China Southern's MD-90s don't have IFE. No, it simply was because
28 Crownvic : Unfortunately, the latest word is, the China Southern deal is now dead.
29 TrijetsRMissed : If you notice, most of this buzz comes from disgruntled DL employees, often based in SLC, and usually mechanics. I've heard lots of positives from pi
30 DIA : Don't think this was answered above: 1.How many MD-90s were made? 2. How many of these were made in Asia? 3. How many are flying in the U.S.? Thanks f
31 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : "Fly Delta Jets" was historically synonymous with MDD aircraft from the C.E. Woolman days well into the 1980s. Not so much Boeing trying to persuade
32 D950 : There are two left flying, B2100, and B2103 both with China Northern, I guess now China Southern. I believe there were three manufactured, one may ha
33 DIA : I seem to recall some sort of MD-90 incident...you may be refering to this...I just can't recall any details...Maybe an incident in Taipei?
34 D950 : I think that was an EVA/UNI deal with an overrun.
35 SLCUT2777 : DL has a fleet of 16 of them, that are primarily based out of their SLC hub.
36 Dl757md : TDR. They have the lowest TDR in the Delta fleet. TDR=Technical Dispatch Rate or Reliability depending on who you talk to. There are many reasons for
37 Post contains images WeAreUnited : I like them. I've flown on them numerous times in and out of SLC to SNA/PDX/LAX/SLC/PHX etc.... and have never had a problem with them. From a pax st
38 Delta737 : The MD-90's are fine. They're just not "Big DC-9's with Big Engines" the way some of the mechanics and ground personnel unfamiliar with the difference
39 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Almost always? How can that be when DL operated Asia routes from JFK and ATL with the MD-11 without many problems? Maybe in 1991, maybe it was just P
40 DLOnur : I'm going to respectfully disagree with this statement...while the pilots might fly the aircraft and "like the feel" of how they fly, the people who
41 TrijetsRMissed : I don't disagree with your post, obviously mechanics know the plane inside and out better than anyone, other than the engineers. From the pilot's sta
42 Dl757md : Who said I'm bitter? Quite the opposite. I'm an overtime whore who has benefitted greatly from the MD-90....just as I did from the L-1011. The proble
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