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Wizzair To Place "large" Airbus Order  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

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WARSAW, Oct 8 (Reuters) - Wizz Air, a leading no-frills airline in eastern and central Europe, will sign the region's largest aircraft order from planemaker Airbus [ARBU.UL] on Wednesday, the two companies said on Monday.

"The new order is the largest one for Airbus in central and eastern Europe. The order will allow Wizz Air to become one of the largest regional carriers with narrow-body aircraft," the two said in an invitation to the signing ceremony in Warsaw.

Wizz Air declined to comment further, while an Airbus spokesman was not immediately available.

http://www.reuters.com/article/tnBas...ndustries-SP/idUSL0810209020071008

I guess a full A319/320/321 combo here. Could imagine that they will take some options on Widebodies for future long-haul operations from Eastern Europe.


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Very good news! I hope they will add more services from EIN. I love the short, cheap breaks to eastern europe,

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

I guess they will buy A320s IMO


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

They've currently got 29 A320s left to deliver from their last order so this is another big expansion of a loco - possibility of some A330s is interesting too

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.

User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Why on Earth would an East-European LCC carrier need A330s or any wide-bodies for that matter? This will be a big follow-on order for A32S family aircrafts... The only candidates are A319/A320.

Anyhow a nice order and a good indication that things are going the right way at W6. I think they will boost their presence in Romania and Bulgaria to close the space in front of their main competitor, SkyEurope.



Peet7G
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.

Why is that...? confused 



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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.

Your prediction is outdated even before you made it.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/07_06_19_fly_asian_a330.html

[Edited 2007-10-08 06:10:13]

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Asia is a bit different........ CX/SQ/MH are all flying big widebodies on short regional routes in Asia.... Won't see that in Europe, and I'm sure Wizz will not go for longhaul.....

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.

What do you call Air Asia X ?  Wow!



or how about JetStar ?  Wow!



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
Why is that...? confused

Because on long-haul the LCC principle does not work out. Different cost structure. Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy. They would more likely increase frequencies instead of capacity.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

WINGS,

As i said before, Asia is a total different LCC market. In Europe you will only see narrowbodies operating for LCC's, due to the fact they offer point to point from smaller regional airports.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy.

Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together? Big grin



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together?

The 737's will be phased out. U2 will be an all Airbus operator.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 8):
Asia is a bit different........ Won't see that in Europe.

Air Berlin has 787s on order for future long haul and with so many European LCC operating the A320, but you really think we are not negotiating with some of them on possible A330s?

if Airbus would have given A330s dirt cheap as they had hoped for, AB would be the first European LCC with A330s on order already! However, contrary to what you constantly hear on A.net, we are not into that kind of business: It is the best long haul twin you can get for a very long time still and that is reflected in the price.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together?

IIRC, EZY wants to phase out the 73Gs and replace them A319s, so it is only a temporary thing  Wink .


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
Yeah but what about easyJet's NG737's and A319's happily flying together? Big grin

737NGs are on a slow way out with easyjet.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
I guess a full A319/320/321 combo here. Could imagine that they will take some options on Widebodies for future long-haul operations from Eastern Europe.

I think that this will be only A319s and A320s. A321s are not very common with low cost airlines in Europe (I can only think of FlyNiki). Air Berlin/LTU is not a classic low cost carrier.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
No way a LCC will buy/get A330's. Will never happen.



Quoting KL911 (Reply 8):
Asia is a bit different........



Quoting PEET7G (Reply 5):
Why on Earth would an East-European LCC carrier need A330s or any wide-bodies for that matter?

There is a lot of money to be made on low cost travel between Poland and USA currently controlled by LOT monopoly. With Open Skies coming it could be a smart move from Wizz (if they order A330 apart from more A320 which are certain). Are they brave enough?

[Edited 2007-10-08 06:44:54]

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
Because on long-haul the LCC principle does not work out. Different cost structure. Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy. They would more likely increase frequencies instead of capacity.

Sorry, but Oasis proved that pretty much wrong very quickly.

I don't though see where is says anything about Wizz getting A330s? In fact, to the contrary if you read the article, it says; "...The order will allow Wizz Air to become one of the largest regional carriers with narrow-body aircraft," Expect it just to be the Airbus narrow bodies then, probably only the A320 too, as the article also states; "Wizz Air already flies 13 Airbus 320s and earlier said it plans to maintain a uniform fleet."


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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
I can only think of FlyNiki

... who inherited them from AeroLloyd

Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
Air Berlin/LTU is not a classic low cost carrier.

 checkmark 

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):

Sorry, but Oasis proved that pretty much wrong very quickly.

How successful they are going to be remains to be seen. The vast share of trip costs on long haul flight is fixed (Fuel, Capital, Personnel) and hence as a LCC you don't have much room to distinguish your product from that of legacy carriers.


User currently offlineMattfalcus From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Where will Wizz fly from in the future - more bases outside of Poland and Hungary, or additional expansion from its existing airports?

Will their Bulgarian operation expand significantly?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
Why is that...? confused

Because on long-haul the LCC principle does not work out. Different cost structure. Also adding second type does not fit into a pure LCC strategy. They would more likely increase frequencies instead of capacity.



Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
WINGS,

As i said before, Asia is a total different LCC market. In Europe you will only see narrowbodies operating for LCC's, due to the fact they offer point to point from smaller regional airports.



Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 14):
Air Berlin has 787s on order

 checkmark ...that is why I don't see why LCC's cannot purchase widebodies....

...that being said, even though we see LH and KL flying widebodies to LHR, I don't expect to see widebodies shuttling between WAW and FRA with LCC's.....but LCC's certainly can (and will) purchase widebodies..

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 14):
It (A330) is the best long haul twin you can get for a very long time still and that is reflected in the price.

 redflag ...it certainly is not the best...it depends on the mission...



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting Mattfalcus (Reply 21):
Where will Wizz fly from in the future - more bases outside of Poland and Hungary, or additional expansion from its existing airports?

Both.

Quoting Mattfalcus (Reply 21):
Will their Bulgarian operation expand significantly?

Don't know about "significantly" but it's bound to expand.

[Edited 2007-10-08 07:12:23]


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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Wizz Air is doing and excellent job in WAW. This order is just a result of good thing happening to this airline.
Not a bad idea to do the Trans-Atlantic routes.

KS/codeshare



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25 SandroZRH : Alright, let's not start shall we.
26 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...I agree..but it was not a correct statement (IMHO) which needed to be clarified....
27 Post contains images SandroZRH : That's exactly the point, everyone has his/her own opinion, and if we all think we have to clarify a statement that we think is incorrect, we'll be i
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....true, very true...
29 Post contains images Sabenapilot : Well, if we are going to nitpick, my statement is correct but incomplete. I should have said that for all realistic mission profiles which the A330 c
30 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...I can't comment since I've basically agreed not to.... ....but I'll agree on that one...
31 Boeing74741R : I can think of more LCCs who operate two or more types... Jet2 use 737-300s and 757-200s (and most of the recent fleet expansion over the last two ye
32 Adriaticflight : Maybe a base in Croatia sometime??
33 PADSpot : AB is not really a LCC by any means. There is hardly one LCC characteristic they really comply with. which is more related to the slot limitations of
34 Boeing74741R : That's what I said.
35 Someone83 : And LH uses the A300 which is suitable for those short flights, not 330 or any other typical long-haul aircrafts
36 BY738 : Surely the Polish massive expansion can only be maintained for so long before the bubble bursts....
37 KrisYYZ : Why is it that the majority of Wizzair's A320s have Hungarian registration? (HA- ) Perhaps Wizzair will order some A321 for their high volume flights.
38 BlueSky1976 : Because it is a Hungarian enterprise (well, actually Hungarian - American, but based in Hungary). Also, since all of their aircraft rotate through Po
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