As an update to the thread posted by SU184 regarding Egyptair leasing 8 B777'S and 3 A330/200 .
Egyptair has decided on which type of the newly announced B777 lease order to go .
The Airline has decided to lease 8 brand new B777/300ER . This order will be replacing the 5 B777/200ER MS is currently operating , and will NOT be an addition to them . It is still an increase in both the B777 number of A/C by 3 Aircraft and in capacity as well (15-18% per A/C) .
Egyptair's B777/200ER's have a capacity of 317 pax in a 3 class configuration with a range of 11,037 km
The new B777/300ER's will probably be in a 2 class configuration with a typical capacity of 365 to 460 pax (MS configuration not confirmed yet) and a range of 13,427 km .
Egyptair will start receiving these new A/C in 2010/2011 . The Airline is expected to deploy them on their key long-haul and medium-haul routes as well as some of the new routes announced earlier to N.America .
The 3 leased A330/200 are expected to arrive in 2008/2009 , but nothing is confirmed yet . They will also be brand new A/C .
I would like to thank our dear friend Horus for the heads up .
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1285 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6037 times:
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6038 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 1): Who will take their 772ERs (with PW)?
Who operates Pratt-powered 772ER's? UA? If AM were doing better, they were not going through their own sale and the birds were GE-powered, maybe AM could go for one or two.
Ramik From Egypt, joined Sep 2007, 41 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6038 times:
Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter):
As an update to the thread posted by SU184 regarding Egyptair leasing 8 B777'S and 3 A330/200 .
Egyptair has decided on which type of the newly announced B777 lease order to go .
The Airline has decided to lease 8 brand new B777/300ER . This order will be replacing the 5 B777/200ER MS is currently operating , and will NOT be an addition to them . It is still an increase in both the B777 number of A/C by 3 Aircraft and in capacity as well (15-18% per A/C) .
Egyptair's B777/200ER's have a capacity of 317 pax in a 3 class configuration with a range of 11,037 km
The new B777/300ER's will probably be in a 2 class configuration with a typical capacity of 365 to 460 pax (MS configuration not confirmed yet) and a range of 13,427 km .
Egyptair will start receiving these new A/C in 2010/2011 . The Airline is expected to deploy them on their key long-haul and medium-haul routes as well as some of the new routes announced earlier to N.America .
The 3 leased A330/200 are expected to arrive in 2008/2009 , but nothing is confirmed yet . They will also be brand new A/C .
What a second here !!! they are replacing the B777-200ER and keeping the A340-200 ??? isn't this kinda weird !!
But on the other hand, B777-300ER in Egyptair Colours are gonna be smokin' !!!!
Ramik From Egypt, joined Sep 2007, 41 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6038 times:
Quoting AF022 (Reply 5): Where on earth do they need all that capacity? Is MS really filling up their planes that much? Somebody fill me in where they need that much capacity.
Egyptair might not be filling up all the expecting capacity (although on some routes you can hardly find a seat !!) but when Egyptair hopefully joins Star Alliance and T3 opens the principle of a using CAI as a hub will get Egyptair filling these planes in no time.
I would expect the new B777-300ER be used on the following routes:
wow what a surprise, never expected they going for the 773, but hey can't be anything but happy
Quoting PM (Reply 1): Who remembers when Egyptair had A340-600s on order? Another airline preferring the 773ER
short after MS post the order for the A346 they tasted the B777 capacity and capabilty and they decided that A346 won't fill their need, which was a smart move( although i love the A342 they have but can't argue with the B772)
Quoting PM (Reply 1): You can't argue with the 773ER...
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4): Who operates Pratt-powered 772ER's? UA? If AM were doing better, they were not going through their own sale and the birds were GE-powered, maybe AM could go for one or two.
i'm sure MS can find some one to take those aircrafts they are in a good shape, the average age of them is 8.5 years.
Quoting AF022 (Reply 5): Where on earth do they need all that capacity? Is MS really filling up their planes that much? Somebody fill me in where they need that much capacity.
I would agree with Ramik with opening T3 and joining Star alliance, it will be easy for them to fill the plans, for now most of their flights have a very good load factor.
Quoting Ramik (Reply 6): What a second here !!! they are replacing the B777-200ER and keeping the A340-200 ??? isn't this kinda weird !!
True, i thought they would replace the A342 first, but i know for fact that the A342 is doing great in Japan and the Middel east where it need capacity
Quoting Ramik (Reply 7): I would expect the new B777-300ER be used on the following routes:
and the remaining aircrafts could be used for opening new routes such as CAI-ORD and CAI-IAD
Agree on CAI - JFK 2 aircarfts specially with the plane to increase 2 extra flights a week.
CAI - BKK agree on this one too.
the rest can use the A342 or the A332.
i would add to that list CAI - LHR for sure.
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 8): you need 77Ws to do CAI-DXB/JED?
some times specially in Hag and Ramdan time yes you can fill this so easily
The 77W is meant for longer volume routes. Id expect this airplane in LHR, JFK, and maybe even Japan.
Like i said above i agree on Both LHR and JFK but i don't think the will introduce this to japan since they are happy with the A342 on that route.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6037 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Who will take their 772ERs (with PW)?
UA could sure use some more 777-200ERs... I'm sure they'd be interesting in picking those up.
Quoting Flighty (Reply 10): A bit risky, if only because 787s are coming fast to the USA and CAI may be on the list of AA, CO, DL.
whenever AA and DL get around to ordering.....
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
HECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6037 times:
Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter): Egyptair has decided on which type of the newly announced B777 lease order to go .
The Airline has decided to lease 8 brand new B777/300ER . This order will be replacing the 5 B777/200ER MS is currently operating , and will NOT be an addition to them
What a surprise order! Especially since the 300ER version is on order and it's meant for replacement, not addition to the current fleet. I'm looking forward to see these birds in MS livery! Congrats to MS again! And no, I dont expect them anytime soon in AMS
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 8): you need 77Ws to do CAI-DXB/JED?
Egypt - Saudi Arabia is the biggest market in the Middle East, so yes.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4767 times:
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4767 times:
Great Job by Egyptair and Boeing. They should fly them to JFK, LHR, Asia.
How many 300ERs is this total, and whats the current overall 777 order total if anybody knows?
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4767 times:
It was indeed a surprise for me as well , as we all expected more -200ER's , but this is an indication of the expected increase in passenger volume the Airline is hoping for after opening the new Terminal , and increasing connecting traffic compared to just O&D .
Quoting Ramik (Reply 6): What a second here !!! they are replacing the B777-200ER and keeping the A340-200 ??? isn't this kinda weird !!
MS is kind of short in long-haul A/C at the moment , but a decision regarding the fate of the A342 may be revealed soon .
Quoting Ramik (Reply 7): I would expect the new B777-300ER be used on the following routes:
JFK, BKK, LHR, PEK, JNB, JED, ORY , ORD and YYZ are all possible candidates for the new -300ER's .
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 9): i'm sure MS can find some one to take those aircrafts they are in a good shape, the average age of them is 8.5 years
Three were delivered in 97 and 2 in 2001 .
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 9): Agree on CAI - JFK 2 aircarfts specially with the plane to increase 2 extra flights a week.
The plan of increasing flights to FRA,LHR and JFK is shelved now until the Star Alliance issue is solved .
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 9): Like i said above i agree on Both LHR and JFK but i don't think the will introduce this to japan since they are happy with the A342 on that route.
Speaking of Japan , Egyptair is increasing its frequency to Osaka from 2 to 3 flights weekly , two of them are routed via Luxor .
Quoting HECA (Reply 13): What a surprise order! Especially since the 300ER version is on order and it's meant for replacement, not addition to the current fleet
Nice surprise , eih!! But now i wonder , they were talking about 75 A/C before 2010 . Does that mean more orders (either short or long -haul A/C) are coming? What do you think ? ( Remember , the new -300ER's are replacing the current -200ER's not in addition to them ) .
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 18): Ok this is weird...where are the other posts?
The whole website is acting weird after A.Net migrated its servers to the US .
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6256 posts, RR: 39 Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4282 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 1): Who will take their 772ERs (with PW)?
Considering the vast numbers of 777's sitting idle at airports all over the country, I suspect this will be a real problem (not.)
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
HECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3659 times:
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 20): Nice surprise , eih!! But now i wonder , they were talking about 75 A/C before 2010 . Does that mean more orders (either short or long -haul A/C) are coming? What do you think ? ( Remember , the new -300ER's are replacing the current -200ER's not in addition to them ) .
That's the big question indeed right now: how will MS expand to 75 aircraft before 2010 when they begin replacing current aircraft and are expanding less rapidly than we would suspect.. And what about the gap in seat capacity between the 773ER and the A332/A342? Personally I believe it would be more logic to keep the current 772ERs and to add (not replace) extra 777s
And why 773ERs and not an A350 order?
25 OHLHD: A big surprise but ( sorry I do not know much about EgyptAir) can these planes be filled. They have ordered quite some amounts of airplanes lately.
26 Ramik: Well OHLHD, the fact is the Middle East and North Africa are one of the booming places in the world for Air Movement. On a more specific perspective,
27 OHLHD: Thanks! But I can´t see your point. Because of a new terminal I can´t see more people flying as well if Egypt Air only joins in 10 years instead of
28 Ramik: You are welcome , actually I don't blame ya for not understanding my point. Egyptair are currently adopting the Hub and Spoke system. This has to be s
29 OHLHD: Ok that makes sense to me. So I guess flights are generally very full. I guess that is why more and more routes are coming on Egypt Airs schedule. Wi
30 Ramik: Sure no problem, I know CAI is no where like Helsinki Airport but the people manage to survive the hassle
31 OHLHD: That is right. I like the crazy airports more actually. I remember that QR had an immigration officer on board to have a more convenient way for its
32 Ramik: LOL i think they should give CAI the IATA code of HEL instead of Helsinki in that case. I mean when I went to Helsinki everything is so quite, calm a
33 OHLHD: Thank God that those cities are different. Otherwise we would not want to go there.
34 HECA: Imagine the rest of Egypt when CAI looks like a European airport with a quite, calm and clean building and operations... The world truly upside down
35 Ramik: Wow that would be like Heaven .. although I heard that the new Sharm El Sheikh terminal building is quite impressive (haven't seen it though ! ) so w
36 HECA: I believe Horus once showed some artist impression pictures of the new buildings at Sharm El Sheikh and Hurghada. I remember I was very impressed wit
37 Dennys: to A342 ; i do hope they will keep theirs for quite a while ! This A342 has been appreciated by MS on Medium and Long hauls . Denn A342 lover.
38 RSBJ: Just out of curiosity, how many A340NGs have been ordered in 2007 vs. the 777NG? Also, on a side note, how many A330's have been ordered to date? Than
39 Ramik: I believe the number of A340-600 were 2 aircrafts with option on 2 more to replace the B747-300 that Egyptair used to have while the number of leased
40 MSYYZ: Hey guys , an announcement regarding Star Alliance membership will be made public very soon .
41 Ramik: I think I know what you are talking about MSYYZ it was posted in the newspaper al-ahram today !!
42 MSYYZ: We are just waiting for the official press release , great isn't it ?
43 Ramik: Great?? I think if there was a word in the English Language which more than great I would have used it
44 MSYYZ: Ramik , just out of curiosity , what was exactly written in Al-Ahram ?
45 CaptinTuT: EgyptAir is officialy announced as a future staralliance member. http://www.staralliance.com/en/press.../2007/20071016_EgyptAir_final.html Congrats MS
46 MSYYZ: Indeed CaptinTut , there is currently a thread about the fantastic news : It's Official: EgyptAir To Join Star Alliance (by Semobeila Oct 16 2007 in
47 MSYYZ: Latest update : The A/C will arrive between 2010 and 2012 .
48 MSYYZ: Egyptair has the "habit" of "regularly" changing its plans . When the B738's order was placed , they were talking about getting rid of the B735's the
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