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EgyptAir Goes 8 B777-300ERs...  
User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6717 times:


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As an update to the thread posted by SU184 regarding Egyptair leasing 8 B777'S and 3 A330/200 .
Egyptair has decided on which type of the newly announced B777 lease order to go .
The Airline has decided to lease 8 brand new B777/300ER . This order will be replacing the 5 B777/200ER MS is currently operating , and will NOT be an addition to them . It is still an increase in both the B777 number of A/C by 3 Aircraft and in capacity as well (15-18% per A/C) .
Egyptair's B777/200ER's have a capacity of 317 pax in a 3 class configuration with a range of 11,037 km
The new B777/300ER's will probably be in a 2 class configuration with a typical capacity of 365 to 460 pax (MS configuration not confirmed yet) and a range of 13,427 km .
Egyptair will start receiving these new A/C in 2010/2011 . The Airline is expected to deploy them on their key long-haul and medium-haul routes as well as some of the new routes announced earlier to N.America .

The 3 leased A330/200 are expected to arrive in 2008/2009 , but nothing is confirmed yet . They will also be brand new A/C .


I would like to thank our dear friend Horus for the heads up .


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Wow!

Where are they being leased from?

Who will take their 772ERs (with PW)?

Who remembers when Egyptair had A340-600s on order? Another airline preferring the 773ER.

You can't argue with the 773ER...


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Wow, I was not expecting the Egyptair order was for -300ER's. This is a nice increase in capacity. All the best to Egyptair!


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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1329 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
You can't argue with the 773ER...

Very True  

[Edited 2007-10-08 17:50:27]


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Who will take their 772ERs (with PW)?

Who operates Pratt-powered 772ER's? UA? If AM were doing better, they were not going through their own sale and the birds were GE-powered, maybe AM could go for one or two.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Where on earth do they need all that capacity? Is MS really filling up their planes that much? Somebody fill me in where they need that much capacity.

User currently offlineRamik From Egypt, joined Sep 2007, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter):

As an update to the thread posted by SU184 regarding Egyptair leasing 8 B777'S and 3 A330/200 .
Egyptair has decided on which type of the newly announced B777 lease order to go .
The Airline has decided to lease 8 brand new B777/300ER . This order will be replacing the 5 B777/200ER MS is currently operating , and will NOT be an addition to them . It is still an increase in both the B777 number of A/C by 3 Aircraft and in capacity as well (15-18% per A/C) .
Egyptair's B777/200ER's have a capacity of 317 pax in a 3 class configuration with a range of 11,037 km
The new B777/300ER's will probably be in a 2 class configuration with a typical capacity of 365 to 460 pax (MS configuration not confirmed yet) and a range of 13,427 km .
Egyptair will start receiving these new A/C in 2010/2011 . The Airline is expected to deploy them on their key long-haul and medium-haul routes as well as some of the new routes announced earlier to N.America .

The 3 leased A330/200 are expected to arrive in 2008/2009 , but nothing is confirmed yet . They will also be brand new A/C .

What a second here !!! they are replacing the B777-200ER and keeping the A340-200 ??? isn't this kinda weird !!

But on the other hand, B777-300ER in Egyptair Colours are gonna be smokin' !!!!


User currently offlineRamik From Egypt, joined Sep 2007, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 5):
Where on earth do they need all that capacity? Is MS really filling up their planes that much? Somebody fill me in where they need that much capacity.

Egyptair might not be filling up all the expecting capacity (although on some routes you can hardly find a seat !!) but when Egyptair hopefully joins Star Alliance and T3 opens the principle of a using CAI as a hub will get Egyptair filling these planes in no time.

I would expect the new B777-300ER be used on the following routes:

CAI-JFK (2 Aircrafts)
CAI-JED
CAI-DXB
CAI-KWI
CAI-BKK

and the remaining aircrafts could be used for opening new routes such as CAI-ORD and CAI-IAD


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

you need 77Ws to do CAI-DXB/JED?

The 77W is meant for longer volume routes. Id expect this airplane in LHR, JFK, and maybe even Japan.


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6688 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter):

wow what a surprise, never expected they going for the 773, but hey can't be anything but happy

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Who remembers when Egyptair had A340-600s on order? Another airline preferring the 773ER

short after MS post the order for the A346 they tasted the B777 capacity and capabilty and they decided that A346 won't fill their need, which was a smart move( although i love the A342 they have but can't argue with the B772)

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
You can't argue with the 773ER...



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 3):
Very True

Very Very Very True.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Who operates Pratt-powered 772ER's? UA? If AM were doing better, they were not going through their own sale and the birds were GE-powered, maybe AM could go for one or two.

i'm sure MS can find some one to take those aircrafts they are in a good shape, the average age of them is 8.5 years.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 5):
Where on earth do they need all that capacity? Is MS really filling up their planes that much? Somebody fill me in where they need that much capacity.

I would agree with Ramik with opening T3 and joining Star alliance, it will be easy for them to fill the plans, for now most of their flights have a very good load factor.

Quoting Ramik (Reply 6):
What a second here !!! they are replacing the B777-200ER and keeping the A340-200 ??? isn't this kinda weird !!

True, i thought they would replace the A342 first, but i know for fact that the A342 is doing great in Japan and the Middel east where it need capacity

Quoting Ramik (Reply 7):
I would expect the new B777-300ER be used on the following routes:

CAI-JFK (2 Aircrafts)
CAI-JED
CAI-DXB
CAI-KWI
CAI-BKK

and the remaining aircrafts could be used for opening new routes such as CAI-ORD and CAI-IAD

Agree on CAI - JFK 2 aircarfts specially with the plane to increase 2 extra flights a week.
CAI - BKK agree on this one too.
the rest can use the A342 or the A332.
i would add to that list CAI - LHR for sure.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 8):
you need 77Ws to do CAI-DXB/JED?

some times specially in Hag and Ramdan time yes you can fill this so easily

The 77W is meant for longer volume routes. Id expect this airplane in LHR, JFK, and maybe even Japan.

Like i said above i agree on Both LHR and JFK but i don't think the will introduce this to japan since they are happy with the A342 on that route.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8769 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

A bit risky, if only because 787s are coming fast to the USA and CAI may be on the list of AA, CO, DL.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):

Who will take their 772ERs (with PW)?

UA could sure use some more 777-200ERs... I'm sure they'd be interesting in picking those up.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
A bit risky, if only because 787s are coming fast to the USA and CAI may be on the list of AA, CO, DL.

whenever AA and DL get around to ordering.....



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Who operates Pratt-powered 772ER's?

United
All Nippon
Korean
Asiana
Air India (ex-UA)
Air Austral
Royal Brunei (ex-UA)
Vietnam Airlines

+ Air China operate -200s

Two or three of the above might be looking for additional capacity.

But there will also be other airlines who may not already operate any 777s who'll be interested.

So, EK and MS are both starting to offload their first generation 777s? A sign of the times.


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6687 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter):
Egyptair has decided on which type of the newly announced B777 lease order to go .
The Airline has decided to lease 8 brand new B777/300ER . This order will be replacing the 5 B777/200ER MS is currently operating , and will NOT be an addition to them

What a surprise order! Especially since the 300ER version is on order and it's meant for replacement, not addition to the current fleet. I'm looking forward to see these birds in MS livery! Congrats to MS again! And no, I dont expect them anytime soon in AMS  Wink

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 8):
you need 77Ws to do CAI-DXB/JED?

Egypt - Saudi Arabia is the biggest market in the Middle East, so yes.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 12):
Air Austral

I could have sworn they are GE90 birds.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Great Job by Egyptair and Boeing. They should fly them to JFK, LHR, Asia.

How many 300ERs is this total, and whats the current overall 777 order total if anybody knows?


User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1005 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 14):
I could have sworn they are GE90 birds

PM is right, they are PW birds.


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2742 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting Raggi (Reply 16):
PM is right, they are PW birds.

The engines look small compared to the GE 90



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Ok this is weird...where are the other posts?


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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 18):
Ok this is weird...where are the other posts?

Try refreshing the thread, they will show up eventually  wave 


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Who remembers when Egyptair had A340-600s on order?

I remember that order , it was cancelled in favour of the A330/200 when the Airline decided it needs more frequency than capacity .

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2):
Wow, I was not expecting the Egyptair order was for -300ER's



Quoting Ramik (Reply 6):
But on the other hand, B777-300ER in Egyptair Colours are gonna be smokin' !!!!



Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 9):
wow what a surprise



Quoting HECA (Reply 13):
What a surprise order!

It was indeed a surprise for me as well , as we all expected more -200ER's , but this is an indication of the expected increase in passenger volume the Airline is hoping for after opening the new Terminal , and increasing connecting traffic compared to just O&D .

Quoting Ramik (Reply 6):
What a second here !!! they are replacing the B777-200ER and keeping the A340-200 ??? isn't this kinda weird !!

MS is kind of short in long-haul A/C at the moment , but a decision regarding the fate of the A342 may be revealed soon .

Quoting Ramik (Reply 7):
I would expect the new B777-300ER be used on the following routes:

JFK, BKK, LHR, PEK, JNB, JED, ORY , ORD and YYZ are all possible candidates for the new -300ER's .

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 9):
i'm sure MS can find some one to take those aircrafts they are in a good shape, the average age of them is 8.5 years

Three were delivered in 97 and 2 in 2001 .

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 9):
Agree on CAI - JFK 2 aircarfts specially with the plane to increase 2 extra flights a week.

The plan of increasing flights to FRA,LHR and JFK is shelved now until the Star Alliance issue is solved .

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 9):
Like i said above i agree on Both LHR and JFK but i don't think the will introduce this to japan since they are happy with the A342 on that route.

Speaking of Japan , Egyptair is increasing its frequency to Osaka from 2 to 3 flights weekly , two of them are routed via Luxor .

Quoting HECA (Reply 13):
What a surprise order! Especially since the 300ER version is on order and it's meant for replacement, not addition to the current fleet

Nice surprise , eih!! But now i wonder , they were talking about 75 A/C before 2010 . Does that mean more orders (either short or long -haul A/C) are coming? What do you think ? ( Remember , the new -300ER's are replacing the current -200ER's not in addition to them ) .

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 18):
Ok this is weird...where are the other posts?

The whole website is acting weird after A.Net migrated its servers to the US .



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 20):
YYZ are all possible candidates for the new -300ER's .

LAst I checked, no Egyptair service to Toronto


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

The A342 is a very flexible aircraft. It delivers A332 capacity over 772ER range. Until the 787 or A350 arrive, there's no real replacement.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Who will take their 772ERs (with PW)?

Considering the vast numbers of 777's sitting idle at airports all over the country, I suspect this will be a real problem (not.) Big grin



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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4309 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 20):
Nice surprise , eih!! But now i wonder , they were talking about 75 A/C before 2010 . Does that mean more orders (either short or long -haul A/C) are coming? What do you think ? ( Remember , the new -300ER's are replacing the current -200ER's not in addition to them ) .

That's the big question indeed right now: how will MS expand to 75 aircraft before 2010 when they begin replacing current aircraft and are expanding less rapidly than we would suspect.. And what about the gap in seat capacity between the 773ER and the A332/A342? Personally I believe it would be more logic to keep the current 772ERs and to add (not replace) extra 777s

And why 773ERs and not an A350 order?


25 Post contains images OHLHD : A big surprise but ( sorry I do not know much about EgyptAir) can these planes be filled. They have ordered quite some amounts of airplanes lately.
26 Ramik : Well OHLHD, the fact is the Middle East and North Africa are one of the booming places in the world for Air Movement. On a more specific perspective,
27 Post contains images OHLHD : Thanks! But I can´t see your point. Because of a new terminal I can´t see more people flying as well if Egypt Air only joins in 10 years instead of
28 Ramik : You are welcome , actually I don't blame ya for not understanding my point. Egyptair are currently adopting the Hub and Spoke system. This has to be s
29 Post contains images OHLHD : Ok that makes sense to me. So I guess flights are generally very full. I guess that is why more and more routes are coming on Egypt Airs schedule. Wi
30 Post contains images Ramik : Sure no problem, I know CAI is no where like Helsinki Airport but the people manage to survive the hassle
31 Post contains images OHLHD : That is right. I like the crazy airports more actually. I remember that QR had an immigration officer on board to have a more convenient way for its
32 Post contains images Ramik : LOL i think they should give CAI the IATA code of HEL instead of Helsinki in that case. I mean when I went to Helsinki everything is so quite, calm a
33 Post contains images OHLHD : Thank God that those cities are different. Otherwise we would not want to go there.
34 HECA : Imagine the rest of Egypt when CAI looks like a European airport with a quite, calm and clean building and operations... The world truly upside down
35 Post contains images Ramik : Wow that would be like Heaven .. although I heard that the new Sharm El Sheikh terminal building is quite impressive (haven't seen it though ! ) so w
36 HECA : I believe Horus once showed some artist impression pictures of the new buildings at Sharm El Sheikh and Hurghada. I remember I was very impressed wit
37 Dennys : to A342 ; i do hope they will keep theirs for quite a while ! This A342 has been appreciated by MS on Medium and Long hauls . Denn A342 lover.
38 RSBJ : Just out of curiosity, how many A340NGs have been ordered in 2007 vs. the 777NG? Also, on a side note, how many A330's have been ordered to date? Than
39 Ramik : I believe the number of A340-600 were 2 aircrafts with option on 2 more to replace the B747-300 that Egyptair used to have while the number of leased
40 MSYYZ : Hey guys , an announcement regarding Star Alliance membership will be made public very soon .
41 Post contains images Ramik : I think I know what you are talking about MSYYZ it was posted in the newspaper al-ahram today !!
42 Post contains images MSYYZ : We are just waiting for the official press release , great isn't it ?
43 Post contains images Ramik : Great?? I think if there was a word in the English Language which more than great I would have used it
44 MSYYZ : Ramik , just out of curiosity , what was exactly written in Al-Ahram ?
45 Post contains links CaptinTuT : EgyptAir is officialy announced as a future staralliance member. http://www.staralliance.com/en/press.../2007/20071016_EgyptAir_final.html Congrats MS
46 Post contains links MSYYZ : Indeed CaptinTut , there is currently a thread about the fantastic news : It's Official: EgyptAir To Join Star Alliance (by Semobeila Oct 16 2007 in
47 MSYYZ : Latest update : The A/C will arrive between 2010 and 2012 .
48 Post contains images MSYYZ : Egyptair has the "habit" of "regularly" changing its plans . When the B738's order was placed , they were talking about getting rid of the B735's the
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