Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18824 posts, RR: 54 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
About time such routes were flown by Sky. I'm particularly pleased to see KBP. Will this be the first route by a discount airline to Kiev? Wonder whether SJJ will at some stage appear.
[Edited 2007-10-09 07:28:46]
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JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2): Wonder whether SJJ will at some stage appear.
I honestly thought that SJJ would make this list as well with lots of O&D traffic between VIE and SJJ, but I guess they decided to launch these flights at a later stage.
Let's see if WizzAir follows suit... their BEG flights have been predicted for a while now.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18824 posts, RR: 54 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2529 times:
NE has some brilliant special offers – or “Hot Promo” in NE language – from VIE, all for E19.98 (£13.87) return or E9.99 (£6.94) one-way including taxes and fees, e.g.:
VIE-PRG-VIE
VIE-WAW-VIE
VIE-PRG-VIE
VIE-BBU-VIE
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PEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2529 times:
Screw you NE/5P for fleeing BUD ...but otherwise I hope all the best for them mainly to see them return to BUD later. These routes make much sense, in fact should have entered these markets way earlier, but I guess better later than never.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18824 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2315 times:
I remember last year searching OS’ fares from VIE to OTP, SOF, PRG, BEG, etc, and I was shocked by how remarkably expensive they were. Now, however, it’s the other way: there are some brilliantly cheap fares. Of course, they’re only on routes on which NE operates, so OTP for £62 return all-in; SOF for £61 return all-in; PRG for £60; etc. Other airlines, such as OK, have also dramatically reduced their fares. As expected, OS’ fares on routes without NE competition are still ferociously expensive, but that’ll no doubt change once NE enters. I suppose they call it competition.
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JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2315 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7): I remember last year searching OS’ fares from VIE to OTP, SOF, PRG, BEG, etc, and I was shocked by how remarkably expensive they were.
And add to that very healthy loads and you see why OS just looooves its Eastern European exploitations...sorry destinations...
Adriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
Great news for BG! It makes sense for Sky Europe to operate these routes, some are extremely short (such as Ljubljana and Zagreb) meaning they can get very high aircraft utilization in a single day. I am a bit suspicious how long they will last on the route to Ljubljana, its very fast to drive it but i guess if the price is right.
In other news is Sky Europe to base an aircraft in Sofia?
Sofia to 11 major cities including Thessaloniki and Nice...
I think Wizzair and Sky Europe will slowly move in the Western Balkans, especially on routes such as Vienna or Germany, because of the large communities of X-Yugoslavs there. London and the such will come later..but i hope sooner
PEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2181 times:
Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 9): Great news for BG! It makes sense for Sky Europe to operate these routes, some are extremely short (such as Ljubljana and Zagreb) meaning they can get very high aircraft utilization in a single day. I am a bit suspicious how long they will last on the route to Ljubljana, its very fast to drive it but i guess if the price is right.
In other news is Sky Europe to base an aircraft in Sofia?
Sofia to 11 major cities including Thessaloniki and Nice...
I think Wizzair and Sky Europe will slowly move in the Western Balkans, especially on routes such as Vienna or Germany, because of the large communities of X-Yugoslavs there. London and the such will come later..but i hope sooner
This is going to be interesting, as much as ûi heard they are offering a 1stop deal via VIE at least that was the announced plan up untill last week :
"SkyEurope's flights between Sofia and the rest 11 destinations will be operated via Vienna, which is the main hub of SkyEurope. SkyEurope is planning further growth on Bulgarian market with potential plan of new direct flights from Sofia and is even evaluating the possibilities to create its own base in Sofia. "
As much as I believe Sofia is on the grow, If they could not make BUD work, they will fail SOF. I think W6 will attack and defend it's territory, and with a large order coming they will have equipment to expand on all fronts. Besides W6 already has it's subsidiary established in Bulgaria.
According to some sources here in Serbia, we are on the brink of W6's announcement of BEG flights. LJU and ZAG already have ops by Wizzair. The airline has tried many times in the past to start Belgrade flights and was apparently prevented by the MA and JU "disagreements" from the '90s.
Konrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2181 times:
Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter): According to Serbia's offical Tanjug News Agency, and reported by B92, Sky Europe will shortly launch flights from VIE to BEG, LJU, SKP, ZAG and KBP.
Does Austria have an open-airspace agreement with Serbia, Croatia and the Ukraine ?
I thought it didn't, thus the OS (and other national carriers) virtual monopoly.
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2181 times:
Quoting Konrad (Reply 12): Does Austria have an open-airspace agreement with Serbia, Croatia and the Ukraine ?
Its not a question of Austria-Serbia Open Skies, rather European Open Skies Agreement. Serbia has signed it, not ratified it yet by the parliament, but has started applying it obviously. Croatia has ratified the agreement and is in full-force in the country.
If I remember correctly, Ukraine doesn't have an open skies policy with the EU. Likewise Russia. I believe that neither Macedonia nor Albania have such a policy.
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OHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 27 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1881 times:
How will they fly all these destinations? I really hope they now what they are doing. Their expansion plan is really fast and aggressive.
According a daily newspaper in Austria they also will not get 2 of their B737-700 and through this deal they will get 7 million €. It can also be read at a local Austrian aviation forum. Anyway I will fly them in Nov. Will be interesting.
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1867 times:
Quoting DHR (Reply 17): Unfortunately Croatia has not ratified the agreement just yet and with elections coming up next month I seriously doubt it will happen in 2007.
Same case as with Serbia then....
Interesting news coming from Wizz and Airbus about a massive A320 order - will be interesting to see how many will eventually be based at airports of ex-Yugoslavia.
ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1842 times:
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12): According a daily newspaper in Austria they also will not get 2 of their B737-700 and through this deal they will get 7 million €.
Confirmed. They are allegedly sold to Arik Air (Nigeria) before delivery.
EDIT: @OHLHD: I think next in line, scheduled for October and November.
Macc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 971 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1800 times:
KBP is great news, if only to bring the fares on OS down. Its ridicoulus if you have to spend a weekend just to get a ticket for 500 and not for over 800...
I exchanged political frustration with sexual boredom. better spoil a girl than the world
TIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 520 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1760 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 16): Can someone confirm? I don't know what's what with that. Joost would probably know (if he's reading this).
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14): I believe that neither Macedonia nor Albania have such a policy.
Albania and Macedonia, together with the rest of SE Europe, signed the agreement at the same time. You can find the open skies treaty on the web, but I'm too lazy to search for it. However I don't know if Albania has ratified it yet or not.
25 Pe@rson: NE is gonna start VIE-KLU-VIE, and increase VIE-INN-VIE to 3x daily. From ATW yesterday: "SkyEurope Airlines continues to restructure its network in a
26 VORFMD: with beginning of the Summerschedule 2008 NE will base 4 more Aircrafts in Vienna for a total of 10 then. Many more Destinations are planned then out
27 Pred02: Right, but the ratification process can take years until it actualizes. By signing it, they are only promising they will take care of it "sometime in
28 Aleksandar: You still can't forget Tell me more about that
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...but otherwise I hope all the best for them mainly to see them return to BUD later. These routes make much sense, in fact should have entered these markets way earlier, but I guess better later than never.
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