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Are Asian F/A's Closed Out At Only 36 Years Old?  
User currently offlineSCUMBAG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

I heard from a Friend who works for UAL that the ladies and gentlemen based in Asia were routinely booted at the age of 36.... is this true? a good flight attendant is just getting started at that young age! I've flown NWA to NRT and the galley looked like a line for some Oral Roberts heal-a-thon the gals were so grey and hobbled.

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

Quoting SCUMBAG (Thread starter):
a good flight attendant is just getting started at that young age!

And continue being good at an older age. Still an excellent flight attendant here at 21 years with the company.

Quoting SCUMBAG (Thread starter):
I've flown NWA to NRT and the galley looked like a line for some Oral Roberts heal-a-thon the gals were so grey and hobbled

They are also excellent crew, too.

Thankfully, airlines don't hire for their eye-candy capabilities (eye-candy being relative). They are hired for their ability.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31001 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4221 times:
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Some Asian airlines do have "age limits" for in-flight staff. SQ comes to mind.

When an attendant reaches that maximum age, depending on their service record, they can continue on for a few more years as a Purser/Senior FA/Flight Manager.


User currently offlineLuvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 446 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Other countries don't have age-discrimination laws so these companies can get away with these arcaic policies.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Quoting Luvfa (Reply 3):
Other countries don't have age-discrimination laws so these companies can get away with these arcaic policies.

Just because something does not conform to what you are used to in the western world doesn't make it "arcaic". The rules are here for a reason. Take a vote on any forum and what favourite airlines normally come out tops? My wild guess would be the ones based in Asia. I could go on but the next time you want to label us like that, think about who the surveyors normally are? Caucasians who are based in the western world...



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User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
Just because something does not conform to what you are used to in the western world doesn't make it "arcaic". The rules are here for a reason. Take a vote on any forum and what favourite airlines normally come out tops? My wild guess would be the ones based in Asia. I could go on but the next time you want to label us like that, think about who the surveyors normally are? Caucasians who are based in the western world...

Well said.. The rules may not be fair, but they are there for a reason, and obviously work.



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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 5):
Well said.. The rules may not be fair, but they are there for a reason, and obviously work.

Yup yup, I totally agree! I notice that most people in the West always think that what they think are always right and the other people's way are wrong. Some people really have to learn other cultures too!

-Jasp



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User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):

The difference is, that the surveys are from the customer point of view. The laws to protect the employee is from the employee point of view. I hope Asian countries will get their laws updated in the future to realise that having such laws is discriminating. They should realise skills and knowledge comes in time.

okAY


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Does Hooters employ 43 years-old waitresses? Does Moulin Rouge have 39 years-old dancers? Does Victoria's Secret have 51 years-old models?

User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):

And how does this have anything to do with FA's job? This is the crusial difference between Asian and western carriers. They think FA is supposed be young and beautiful, when again in western world other values are appreciated more. And age discrimination is banned by law.

okAY

[Edited 2007-10-10 06:08:32]

User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1069 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Cabin crew on SQ, MH etc are fully aware when they start that they can only work to a certain age, it's not as if it comes as suprise to them, they accept these as conditions of their line of work. They are not forced to be flight attendants, it's their choice.


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User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 10):

Yes and these conditions are possible in Asian countries as there is no law banning this kind of action. It is the law system that enables this. Working in any job is a choice. In Asian countries if one wants to become a flight attendant they have to accept the fact that they need to finish at certain age. In western countries, however, this is seen as age discrimination, in any job, which one surely chooses freely.

okAY


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 9):
Cabin crew on SQ, MH etc are fully aware when they start that they can only work to a certain age, it's not as if it comes as suprise to them, they accept these as conditions of their line of work. They are not forced to be flight attendants, it's their choice.

That (prior knowledge) can be said of many absent workplace discrimination/protection laws. It doesn't make it right.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
Just because something does not conform to what you are used to in the western world doesn't make it "arcaic".

The relevant definition: archaic [adjective]: of, relating to, or characteristic of an earlier or more primitive time

Workplace age discrimination is archaic to most westerners. It's a practice that has been abandoned/outlawed for all but a few professions (where it is necessary, like acting). Just because the legal systems that allow it are in cultures that do things differently does not make discrimination okay. I'm sure that there are plenty of practices that westerners engage in that are archaic to other cultures.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 12):
Workplace age discrimination is archaic to most westerners. It's a practice that has been abandoned/outlawed for all but a few professions (where it is necessary, like acting). Just because the legal systems that allow it are in cultures that do things differently does not make discrimination okay. I'm sure that there are plenty of practices that westerners engage in that are archaic to other cultures.

Blah blah blah... we can argue till kingdom come. You westerners call it discrimination, we Asians call it keeping the service standards at the upper most levels. Go ahead and have your anti discrimination laws but please do not come bitching and whining about how flying is no longer the glamour-laced activity it used to be.

Remember these ladies do not stop working at 36. Some of them do go on to have very long and fulfilling careers as executive and management cabin crew in the airline. This you do not see because many nay-sayers are still caught up in this discriminatory view that we Asian airlines have. But hey, where is the glamour in flying these days? We all know which side of the Pacific THAT falls in now, don't we?

Putting the contractual obligations (age issues) aside, these ladies are subjected to the same promotional and career progress criterias as their male counterparts. If they work well, an outstanding employee and such, they are given the opportunity to continue working further so where is the discrimination in that? So yes they do grow old but there is a minimum standard to be met in terms of style and presentation and these ladies do it with such pride that walking thru LAX one would not even notice the wrinkles on their faces because they are so well made up.

So I ask again... If they are an excellent employee, they are offered contracts to continue working for the airline - where is the discrimination? Where I ask? To offer a contract to a valuable member of the staff, or to allow the union to come up with laws to buy time for the jaded / frazzled / frizzy-haired / tired out prison matron grannie gruntingly whipping out warm cookies to thankful First Class pax on a 5-6 hr long trans continental flight?

Make no mistake, I have encountered both excellent and downright nasty FAs on North American carriers but the scales seem to tip towards the latter.

Yes... so go ahead and draft up those anti-discriminatory laws I say to the unions. But at the end of the please do not start another thread in this forum questioning the standards of US carriers because it would be akin to flogging a dead horse. We all know why the industry is in such a crappy state presently and yet we like to keep asking "why, why, why" and in the same breath call us Asians "archaic", "It's a practice that has been abandoned/outlawed for all but a few professions", etc...

Could it be a case of sour grapes?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31001 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3373 times:
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Quoting Analog (Reply 12):
It's a practice that has been abandoned/outlawed for all but a few professions...

Like Flight Deck Crew... Ironic, isn't it?


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6104 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3355 times:
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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
Take a vote on any forum and what favourite airlines normally come out tops? My wild guess would be the ones based in Asia. I could go on but the next time you want to label us like that, think about who the surveyors normally are? Caucasians who are based in the western world...

I hope people are rating those airlines because of the quality of service they provide and not because they only hire young and attractive FAs. If I flew a airline who delayed my flight, lost my bag etc I would give them a low rating regardless of their FA appearance. Even if the FAs were ugly I would give a good rating to an airline with a on time performance, comfortable seats, good meals etc.

Quoting Analog (Reply 11):
/outlawed for all but a few professions (where it is necessary, like acting)

What do you mean? There are actors of every age.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 7):
Does Hooters employ 43 years-old waitresses?

yes! I have been served by good looking women who were probably in their 50s. When I lived in St.Louis there was a Hooters that had a man on the wait staff. It was at the Manchester location. The building is now a Bandana's BBQ, which is a much better eatery than Hooters.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 12):
these ladies are subjected to the same promotional and career progress criterias as their male counterparts

Are men forced out at 36?



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User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):

Blah blah blah... we can argue till kingdom come. You westerners call it discrimination, we Asians call it keeping the service standards at the upper most levels. Go ahead and have your anti discrimination laws but please do not come bitching and whining about how flying is no longer the glamour-laced activity it used to be.

Interesting point you have that only young people can provide good service. Flying in deed is no longer glamour-laced activity. And when has glamour been started to be defined as something only young people can do? The same job the Asian cabin crews do than the western ones. When do the Asian carriers notice this, too? And allow people to work in the job they like as long as they want and are physically able?

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
Remember these ladies do not stop working at 36. Some of them do go on to have very long and fulfilling careers as executive and management cabin crew in the airline. This you do not see because many nay-sayers are still caught up in this discriminatory view that we Asian airlines have. But hey, where is the glamour in flying these days? We all know which side of the Pacific THAT falls in now, don't we?

Not everybody wants to become managers.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
Putting the contractual obligations (age issues) aside, these ladies are subjected to the same promotional and career progress criterias as their male counterparts. If they work well, an outstanding employee and such, they are given the opportunity to continue working further so where is the discrimination in that? So yes they do grow old but there is a minimum standard to be met in terms of style and presentation and these ladies do it with such pride that walking thru LAX one would not even notice the wrinkles on their faces because they are so well made up.

Do not mix promotion with ending a contract. In western countries some get promoted as the company sees the potential in them, in Asia they promote the ones they want and others have to leave. Just because they're too old. And you ask where is the discrimination in that? So in your opinion only old Asian lady can look good? Sorry to disagree. Have you ever heard of such thing as aging gracefully? And anyway as said, in western carriers, looks is not the main thing that is valued in an FA.

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:01:52]

User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):

What do you mean? There are actors of every age.

Can an 80 year old actor play a child character? Well, if he/she's really good.  Smile Actors are hired for roles. I don't think many are salaried anymore.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):

I hope people are rating those airlines because of the quality of service they provide and not because they only hire young and attractive FAs

Exactly! Young FAs are just as capable of providing crummy service as more experienced FAs. If an older (or younger) FA provides consistently crummy/crabby service, then he/she should be let go.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):

Are men forced out at 36?

It's kind of tough for a man to be a Singapore "Girl" in the first place.

Gotta love this; SQ fires (refuses to hire?) a girl because she has a kid ('twas in the 80's).
http://bohtong.blogspot.com/2007/02/trainee-was-sacked-because-of.html
SQ Girls are good at following instructions: one followed an instruction [given in jest] to give a disabled passenger an airsickness bag to pee in:
http://bohtong.blogspot.com/2007/02/disabled-passenger.html


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2049 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting SCUMBAG (Thread starter):
a good flight attendant is just getting started at that young age!

Yet another A.nutter who has never flown SQ or MH.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
Blah blah blah... we can argue till kingdom come. You westerners call it discrimination, we Asians call it keeping the service standards at the upper most levels. Go ahead and have your anti discrimination laws but please do not come bitching and whining about how flying is no longer the glamour-laced activity it used to be.

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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
Could it be a case of sour grapes?

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Now I can only hope for a JFK-LHR on SQ announcement in the near future!

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2049 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
I hope people are rating those airlines because of the quality of service they provide and not because they only hire young and attractive FAs. If I flew a airline who delayed my flight, lost my bag etc I would give them a low rating regardless of their FA appearance. Even if the FAs were ugly I would give a good rating to an airline with a on time performance, comfortable seats, good meals etc.

OK, you really don't know what the SQ experience is all about, now do you? Tell me of any US airline whose chief purser will go to their most premium passengers regardless of which class they may be traveling on to introduce him/herself, chat to you about your trip, and offer any assistance needed. Tell me of any US airline that serves a full meal including appetizer, main course, dessert, cheese, bread rolls, free alcohol, and coffee on a 2.5hr (or even shorter!) regional flight. Cat got your tongue? So go ride your cramped RJ, eat those dry pretzels, and shut up.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 11):
It doesn't make it right.

Nor does it make it 'wrong' either.

Quoting Analog (Reply 11):
Just because the legal systems that allow it are in cultures that do things differently does not make discrimination okay.

Same argument ... nor does it make discrimination wrong. It is extremely difficult to argue intelligently that something from a different culture is wrong just because most western rules/laws don't allow it.

Quoting Analog (Reply 11):
I'm sure that there are plenty of practices that westerners engage in that are archaic to other cultures.

Yes, exactly. So when we keep saying it's wrong or right, and it's discrimination, add "...in our society" after it  Wink


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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

At the end of the day, these young pretty girls provide good service most of the time, are well trained in emergency drills etc.... while those senior, jaded, grouchy ladies provide good service once in a while, and are also well trained in emergency drills etc. Which would I prefer (or most passengers for that matter)? The former of course! And lets not tell me that those senior ladies are more experienced and able to handle an emergency situation better than everyone else, cos the fact is, there's no telling how one would behave in such a situation. And don't tell me that they have much more experience handling such situations cos that would only mean that the airline they fly for is terribly unsafe.

Few Asian girls see flying as a long term career. The training and grooming that the airline provides gives them the added advantage of finding other careers after they get sick of flying and serving demanding passengers. For those who really are passionate about flying, it would eventually show in their performance as a crew, and these girls eventually get promoted and fly till they're in their 40s (NOT 36) and get offered ground jobs that gives them a chance to nurture and train new crew. It's equally satisfying I'm sure. In addition, most Asian ladies get married eventually, and the kind of lifestyle that an FA leads just isn't conducive for raising a family and children.

I strongly think that these discrimination laws that the west talk about are a dis-service to the service industry. Why allow someone who hates to serve and deal with passengers and can't do his/her job well be allowed to fly. In any other career, the person would have been asked to leave right away. It shouldn't be any different for FAs.

Seriously don't think there's anything to fight over. Age discrimination is accepted and are here to stay in this part of the world... just like a Dior counter girl must look young and pretty to fit the image the company has spent years building up.

As consumers, we love it that our FAs are attractive and provide good service. And for FAs, it's a great career that allows you the opportunity to see the world for free before one settles down to a more steady and family friendly career. Both parties aren't crying foul over it, it meets our needs. I'm surprised the westerners in this thread have suddenly become so righteous and feel the need to try to change our lives and how things work here... oh wait... deja vu... colonialisaton, iraq suddenly comes to mind.

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:38:06]

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:40:46]


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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):

Blah blah blah... we can argue till kingdom come. You westerners call it discrimination, we Asians call it keeping the service standards at the upper most levels. Go ahead and have your anti discrimination laws but please do not come bitching and whining about how flying is no longer the glamour-laced activity it used to be.

I find it difficult to accept the idea that employing only younger people keeps "service standards at the upper most levels". Why not just keep service standards at the upper most levels by firing those that do not provide such service? That being said...

What if SQ were to enforce racial requirements? Would that be okay? Could it be defended by saying that doing so is the "Asian" way of doing things (I'm not saying that it is the Asian way, it's a hypothetical question)? Was SAA's hiring policy 25 years ago acceptable? After all, many people felt that flying with a racially heterogeneous cabin crew made flying more glamorous; that did not make it right.

At what point can one say that "western" concepts of non-discrimination are or should be universal? I think race is generally accepted as a clear example of one "western" concept that most people would acknowledge to be universal.

Saying that a type of non-discrimination is a "western" idea and that it should therefore not apply to all does not make said discrimination right. The validity of a non-discrimination law/goal should be argued on its merits, not with cultural or moral relativism. For example, one could say that age discrimination is okay because it applies to everyone, as everyone sees ages 0-65 (barring bad health or an unfortunate accident).

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
Yes... so go ahead and draft up those anti-discriminatory laws I say to the unions.

Funny thing: in the past, unions were designed to enforce discrimination, often in response to anti-discrimination laws. They restricted membership to their own and many businesses could legally hire only union members.
(Just an interesting side-note, I'm not arguing or agreeing with anything here).


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):
Does Hooters employ 43 years-old waitresses? Does Moulin Rouge have 39 years-old dancers? Does Victoria's Secret have 51 years-old models?

Those are definitely examples of age descrimination. It is even more biased towards appearances. however discrimination in that manner is legal in the United States if it has been established that attractiveness is a core part of the business. Hooters has been sued due to their hiring and retention policies, however they have established that their business is not viable without their trademark. The same goes for models and actors.

Where the line gets difficult is where attractiveness helps improve business but isn't a core essential. For example cocktail waitresses in Las Vegas have sued because of discrimination policies. That is where there's gray area since attractiveness does not affect your ability to be a waitress, but it does enhance the environment.

In the United States the role of flight attendant does not require attractiveness. Airline's can't discriminate because of age. People choose to live in the United States because of these policies. Sure if airlines did discriminate, then the airline might be more competitive, but that is an area where airlines can't go. In Singapore and other countries, it is allowed. Companies do it and offer a more desirable product. Is that good? Well the flag next to your name here on A.net likely shows what your opinion is.



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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 21):
What if SQ were to enforce racial requirements? Would that be okay?

Oops... ever seen a caucasian FA on SQ?  Wink



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25 QantasAirways : I really agree with you on this point. In Asian countries, working for a carrier like Singapore Airlines looks great on a CV and will enable these la
26 OkAY : Excuse me? I can say from my personal experience, my mother was a flight attendant for 30 years, loved every second of it, had three children and is
27 AADC10 : Most however marry businessmen they meet on the airline. Business is ultimately done mostly by middle age men and Asians in particular are rather cra
28 Post contains images Analog : Well, I don't know what SQ's rules are, and such a lack of caucasian crew could be a result of Singapore citizenship requirements. That's why I phras
29 Bond007 : But presumably your your mother is not Asian, and does not live in an Asian society ... the whole point. Jimbo
30 Analog : So those Asian "girls" that would like to stay employed longer are SOL? Perhaps the many that don't seek longer term employment know that such a thin
31 Ryanair!!! : There you go... it is all about perception, impression etc... Lets take LAX for example at any given day you get cabin crew from all over the world w
32 Post contains images SQ772 : Add Caucasian men to your list as well please. Apart from you perhaps, I believe most men would rather hit on/look at an attractive young woman than
33 LurveBus : I don't think that anti-discrimination laws are a disservice at all, even in the airline industry. Service doesn't depend on the age of the FA, it de
34 Analog : Fire those that "get jaded and complacent and lose interest in their jobs". it seems that many people think it would have the same effect as the age
35 Singaporegirl : this is going to be a little painful for me (im about to tell you people how old i am hahaha)... well i've over 36 now and guess what im still flying.
36 Post contains images SQ772 : I don't think I mentioned "FA" anywhere in my comment. Why would you think that I was referring to FAs? And indeed, some of the older FAs on SQ are o
37 Post contains images Analog : That was point of that part of this thread (FA's meeting men on aircraft). That, and you said AADC10 is attracted to [people who look like] his own g
38 Post contains images Singaporegirl : you might want to check united hiring practices for its asian cabin crew. and tell me how they're any different than any other asian carriers. becaus
39 Analog : That doesn't change the fact that those policies are (IMO) wrong. Besides, most Asian carriers don't really have to bother with a racially discrimina
40 Post contains images SQ772 : It's past my bedtime, but I'd like to sacrifice some of it to pander to your comments... I know you're only kidding, why else would you make such a ri
41 Singaporegirl : i actually meant more of the age thing than a race issue. united, british airways, etc could choose to hire their asian f/a based on the politically
42 Post contains images Analog : Thank you; I appreciate it. Come to think of it, I should get to work... Fair enough, though I'm sure one reason that SAA had its policies was that t
43 Ryanair!!! : The reasoning is very simple. US carriers wish they could achive what the Asian carriers have in cabin crew presentation and standards. However, they
44 SQ772 : Really? Was it the passengers who fought for a more varied racial makeup of its cabin crew or was it the non-white local population who fought hard f
45 GneissGuy : I find this thread hilarious. As we speak, SIA has just won yet another international award for most popular airline (just heard it over the news). Ad
46 YOWza : The airline industry in cutthroat, this is not a secret. So if you do not have laws in place that prevent such actions why not make the most of your c
47 Mandala499 : Here in Indonesia, we got airlines who apply the age limit rule, and those who don't. For those who do, one company tends to hire the brainless bimbo
48 SCUMBAG : Never believe, or take seriously.... anything a scumbag says...!
49 Post contains images Analog : Well, Caucasian women introduced the kebaya to the region and frequently wore it until the 20s. I was talking about the old racial makeup, i.e. white
50 SCUMBAG : Singapore............ Please declair war on the USA so we can surrender and become a singapour nation!
51 Post contains images Afterburner : Please Singapore, invade USA and teach them spelling and geography. Isn't it (the president of) the USA who likes to declare war on other countries?
52 BAStew : The compulsary retirement age for HKG & SIN based BA cabin crew is 45. Think it is more a country/culture thing than an a particular airline practice.
53 UA772IAD : If you are talking about UA crews at the Asian bases (NRT, HKG, SIN, BKK)... then its not true. Both NRT and HKG have FAs with 30+ years of seniority.
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