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Why No CLT-SAT Nonstop?  
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Hey guys, how are you? I was wondering why US does not serve SAT from CLT... hopefully some of you will have some ideas (or perhaps US flew this route in the past and dropped it, I dunno).

I understand there would be a small number of O&D passengers, and that most passengers would be connecting, but it seems strange to me that SAT is not linked on a non-stop basis with CLT by US.

Thanks for your replies.


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User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

It is rumored to start, but it has been rumored since the mergre started.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

I'm also surprised that they (or the entire Star Alliance for that matter) have no service to BTR either. CLT-BTR existed for a very short time prior to 9/11, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't brought it back... particularly with that airport having (re)gained and sustained flights to four "new" destinations (quite significant for an airport that's long had only service to ATL/DFW/IAH/MEM) years after the storm, putting a serious dent in its erosion of pax to MSY,

User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

We are still waiting to see them lanch more east coast service to west coast cities such as DSM, OKC, AUS, OMA, SLC. The only one that I have seen added latley is PDX there is now CLT and PHL non stops. Also mainline has finally returned to IAH from the east coast.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Thread starter):
I understand there would be a small number of O&D passengers, and that most passengers would be connecting, but it seems strange to me that SAT is not linked on a non-stop basis with CLT by US.

US is very short on aircraft right now. Once the mainline deliveries kick in a few years from now, I'm sure the route will start.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 2):
I'm also surprised that they (or the entire Star Alliance for that matter) have no service to BTR either. CLT-BTR existed for a very short time prior to 9/11, and I'm absolutely shocked they haven't brought it back... particularly with that airport having (re)gained and sustained flights to four "new" destinations (quite significant for an airport that's long had only service to ATL/DFW/IAH/MEM) years after the storm, putting a serious dent in its erosion of pax to MSY,

US has tried BTRCLT and it failed. Before that, they ran BTRMSY. US' network strategies, especially USAir's were very unusual, to say the least. There is a laundry list of routes that USAir/US Airways have tried and failed with.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Thread starter):
US has tried BTRCLT and it failed. Before that, they ran BTRMSY

Yep, BTR-MSY (originating in MLU) several times daily with Beech 1900's as part of the US MSY "focus city" if you want to call it that in the 1990's. They usually had around 20 USAir Express flights to regional destinations connecting with US mainline service from MSY to BWI/LGA/CLT/PIT/PHL/DCA.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 5):
Yep, BTR-MSY (originating in MLU) several times daily with Beech 1900's as part of the US MSY "focus city" if you want to call it that in the 1990's. They usually had around 20 USAir Express flights to regional destinations connecting with US mainline service from MSY to BWI/LGA/CLT/PIT/PHL/DCA.

Yes, I remember the MSY "focus city" operation well. It ran from 1991 to 1998. Not sure why US felt it was necessary to build a medium-sized station where a line station usually operates. But that's one reason why US lost money in buckets in the early 1990s, trying to be everything for everybody.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 6):
Not sure why US felt it was necessary to build a medium-sized station where a line station usually operates.

The only Express routes out of MSY that saw decent loads were the ones to LIT, PNS, and SHV.

BTR, BPT, MLU, JAN, VPS....not so much.  Wink


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

I pulled out a timetable that I have of US Airways from June 1997 and according to it there were three non stop flights from SAT at the time - CLT, PIT, and AUS

Hopefully we will see SAT and maybe even AUS see CLT service.....would love to see AUS service since I may be going to UT next Fall  Smile


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

There are several gaping holes in the US route network:

AUS-CLT
SAT-CLT
MSY-PHX

and others...


User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

I don't think that mainline deliveries is what is holding back these markets to be served from CLT. Remember that the Airbus order is a replacement order not expansion. There is no net increase in mainline in frames except for transatlantic.

Now the E190 deliveries may free up a 737/319 that may be able to run this route. AUS is definitely screaming for a 319.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Service from the legacy US "East" to places like AUS, SAT, even OKC and TUL is something that I think will happen eventually. In the interim, codeshares from UA will have to suffice.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

I think part of the problem with these CLT-Texas routes is that the aircraft that is really needed to run them is the 170, and CLT is historically the CR7 hub. Initially, the 170s stayed up at PHL for routes like PHL-IAH and PHL-DFW; the thought was that because CLT is more centrally-located than PHL, the legs of the 170 were unnecessary and the CR7 was better suited for CLT ops. However, that necessarily precluded new routes that were long and thin such as AUS-CLT and SAT-CLT.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 6):
Now the E190 deliveries may free up a 737/319 that may be able to run this route. AUS is definitely screaming for a 319.

The PIT pulldown might also free up some planes.
CLT-AUS
CLT-SAT
CLT-ELP?
CLT-ABQ?
PHL/CLT-SLC
PHX/LAS-MSY are all needed in my opinion, and with mainline aircraft.

The midwest also is missing service, markets like OMA, ICT and DSM have no service to the eastern hubs. The E190 would seem to fit those routes nicely.


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Scott Kirby has hinted more than once that CLT-AUS would be a good E190 route. Once they get more of those aircraft in we could possibly see that route pop up.

User currently offlineM992910 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

US Airways did serve Austin in the 90's, though primarily through SAT or even IAH. It was announced in Aug '01 that Us Airways was returning with new NS service to CLT. Then of course, 9/11 changed all that. I think AUS is more of a hole than SAT for US Airways, but both need/deserve NS service to CLT. I would even argue that AUS should get NS service to PHL. I think CLT will be Austin's next NS service. US Airways has an oportunity to bite into Delta, which operates the only NS service to ATL.

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