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Emirates To Announce 100 A350 And 20 747-8  
User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21307 times:

There is a leak from Emirates that EK will announce an order of 100 A350 and 20 747-8 Intercontinental.
Announcement will be at the very first day of the Dubai Air Show, as everybody was expecting.
I am trying to get more detailed information but as far as this rumor came out the order will be
50 A350 Firm and 50 commitments.
10 747-800i will be also accompanied by 10 Commitment.

If this is true, and I am working to verify it, it will be a good news for both manufacturers.
As soon I get more information I will post it.

I am also trying to get a confirmation from Venezuela about an announcement that Conviasa will make at Dubai of 15 A330 and 15 A320. This one will be easy to confirm but it will take me a while.

I have to admit that I did not see this one coming.

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:08:01]

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:33:03]

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:33:16]

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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21299 times:

If true, a very nice shot in the arm for the A350, and a much needed 2nd carrier order for the 747-8I.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21299 times:

If true...it is hardly surprising. If there were a surprise about it, it'd be that they are only ordering 10 firm 748is. 50 A350s is not out-of-the-ordinary as far as their orders go.


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21307 times:

Good news if true! Gives both programs a nice boost. Do you know wether the 748is are Freighters or not? There has been a lot of speculation about EK ordering the 748i for their cargo division.

Quoting Carls (Thread starter):

I am also trying to get a confirmation from Venezuela about an announcement that Conviasa will make at Dubai of 15 A330 and 15 A320.

This one was in the rumours mill for quite some time and COnviasa has also been asking different companies for maintenance contracts (SRTechnics being on eof them). I heard that some of these 330s will go to IR eventually.

edit: Oh and let's not get into the childish, stupid, usual "they got two A350s for the price of one" crap, thank you!

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:15:31]

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21126 times:

It will be a huge order for both of the carriers. But especially for Airbus.

If this is true, then how big EKs fleet going to be??? Really huge.



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21128 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 3):
Do you know wether the 748is are Freighters or not? There has been a lot of speculation about EK ordering the 748i for their cargo division.

The fact that it says 748i's implies that it will in deed be for the passenger version, as only the passenger version is referred to as the Intercontinental.



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User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21128 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 3):
Do you know wether the 748is are Freighters or not?

Sorry but no. I just got it like this: Boeing will get 10 and 10 747-8i. So I assumed that they were passengers because otherwise the information would be 20 Cargo 747-8 and not 747-8i . It's only my guess.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21127 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 3):
Do you know wether the 748is are Freighters or not? There has been a lot of speculation about EK ordering the 748i for their cargo division.

...it would be the B748F if they were freighters... Wink

EK already have the freighter version on order...

Given that Boeing still hasn't come out with specs about the B787-10 I can understand EK going with the A350



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User currently offlineNRA-3B From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21126 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 3):
Good news if true! Gives both programs a nice boost. Do you know wether the 748is are Freighters or not? There has been a lot of speculation about EK ordering the 748i for their cargo division.

According to Boeing's orders site, Emirates already has 10 747-8Fs on order


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21126 times:

Quoting NRA-3B (Reply 8):
Emirates already has 10 747-8Fs on order

that is true. So then this time the order is for the passenger version.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21127 times:

Quoting Carls (Thread starter):
There is a leak from Emirates that EK will announce an order of 100 A350 and 10 747-8 Intercontinental.

Wow, Scott Carson said just soon after the BA announcement that he doesn't expect any 748I orders this year. That's quite a turnaround. I am disappointed that EK didn't order the 787 though, it would have been a great addition to their fleet.

I do think that 748I won't be the only Boeing that EK orders at the air show next month. I do think they'll be in for more 777s including 777Fs.

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:34:01]


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User currently offlineTope98 From Venezuela, joined Dec 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21128 times:

Quoting Carls (Thread starter):
am also trying to get a confirmation from Venezuela about an announcement that Conviasa will make at Dubai of 15 A330 and 15 A320. This one will be easy to confirm but it will take me a while.

Really???? i can imagine their new destinations: Managua, Quito, Guayaquil, La Paz, Santa Cruz, Havana, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Montevideo and who knows, maybe Almaty or Baku.

Saludos.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20633 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 5):

The fact that it says 748i's implies that it will in deed be for the passenger version, as only the passenger version is referred to as the Intercontinental.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
...it would be the B748F if they were freighters

lol, relax! Big grin I just wanted to clarify. Seeing as it isn't an official press release or article i thought i'd ask.

Quoting NRA-3B (Reply 8):
According to Boeing's orders site, Emirates already has 10 747-8Fs on order

That i wasn't aware of.


User currently offlineHloutweg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20633 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 3):
There has been a lot of speculation about EK ordering the 748i for their cargo division.

Could it be a confusion and actually those rumors refer to the 747-8F of which they already got a bunch. Could they be ordering more for Emirates Cargo?

If the A350 order is also true, it will boost Airbus' numbers nicely and will help set a more solid business base that could influence favorably the yet to come orders of other airlines. It, pretty much, is the same for the 747-8i which, if chosen could see more passenger orders in the coming years for airlines that want a solution today, to the space between the 773 (and maybe A3510) and the A380.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
If this is true, then how big EKs fleet going to be??? Really huge.

We would have to review some documents to give any numbers, but it seems that EK's fleet will grow to a size we never imagined as, they, wanting to become not the largest in the region but in the world. Perhaps someone with the numbers in the top of his head could gives us a glimpse to a foreseeable EK fleet size.



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User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20634 times:

.... you left out Dili, Nadi, Apia, Antanarivo, EK really need to boost their presence there.  Wink

User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20634 times:

Do EK really need this amount of aircraft? My mistake, i thought thay had more aircraft than they did. So this should take fleet numbers into the 300 range?

(Edit: thought EK fleet numbers were a LOT bigger!)


Tom

[Edited 2007-10-10 08:50:42]


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20633 times:

My question is this...and it's a valid one...

Where the hell are they going to put all of these wide bodies that they have ordered over the last couple of years?

I get the feeling that in 10-20 years from now we'll see a lot of A and B widebodies available in the used market....


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20431 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 16):
Where the hell are they going to put all of these wide bodies that they have ordered over the last couple of years?

I thought EK was planning to have an aircraft leasing subsidiary.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20431 times:

Quoting Carls (Thread starter):
I have to admit that I did not see this one coming.

This would be the outcome I was hoping for. The A350 needs some orders to pick up against the 787 and the 747-8I was also in desperate need for a second customer. I think aviation fans can be happy, BA ordered A380s and 787s and EK will eventually order the A350 and 747-8I. Very good indeed if true !!!



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20431 times:

I have no clue what they are going to do with all these aircraft. Maybe the production time frame is quite spread out. I wonder who they are planning on putting out of business.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30537 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20432 times:
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50 + 50 A350 tracks with my belief that EK might want to "hedge their bets" about a possible 787HGW while giving them a guaranteed "near-term" replacement for their 77A, 77E, and 773 fleets.

As such, the A350-900 will likely be the majority - if not totality - of the order, with A350-1000 slots likely being held. They still have 77Ws rolling out of the factory, so the need to add A350-1000s is likely not pressing for them.

If the 787HGW or Y3 launches, they can compare it with the A350-900R and A350-1000 and decide which way to go.

As to the 747-8Is, that's just shocking (to me). Pleasant, but shocking.

[Edited 2007-10-10 09:07:24]

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20368 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 16):
Where the hell are they going to put all of these wide bodies that they have ordered over the last couple of years?

Fill up the new Jebel Ali World Airport and it's six runways..

http://www.sme.sk/cdata/2475878/20051121015_Dubai_big.jpg



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20366 times:

The A350 order will certainly be a boost to the programme; with EK, it will now have quite a decent select of reputable, respectable airlines - SQ, AY, TP, EI, QR, US, JJ and now, EK - with others to come. Also, with a good few widebody orders still to come over the next few months (LH, CX, TG, to name but a few), the 350 could hoover up a few more, particularly since Boeing is now facing delays with the 787 and, as referred to above, they haven't come forward with specs for the 787-10.

User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20367 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):

Fill up the new Jebel Ali World Airport and it's six runways..

http://www.sme.sk/cdata/2475878/2005...g.jpg

Oh my god...
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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19947 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):
Fill up the new Jebel Ali World Airport and it's six runways..

 crazy  That is insane!


25 Sh0rtybr0wn : That's funny. UAE is smaller the state of Maine and has only 4.4 million people. ( less than Denmark ) Imagine if Denmark ordered 100 A350s. Crazy. Bu
26 Behramjee : so it seems that the A 358s will replace the entire A 332 fleet and the A 359s will replace the B 772A fleet (non ERs). Eventually in the future, as m
27 Post contains images Worldrider : good one if they add such an amount of frames, either they create a hub in europe either/and they make a leasing company because they can't carry bil
28 JTR : Good news for both programs. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the proportion of A350 sales to the the Middle East versus the rest of the world?
29 LTU932 : The 747-8I is by definition a PAX aircraft. The 747-8F is the freighter, and AFAIK EK has ordered 747-8Fs for SkyCargo. It would be great to see anot
30 SandroZRH : O Rly? I merely thought because the OP apparently hear dthe rumour from somewhere, he received th einformation that Ek will order 747-8 and assume di
31 Carls : Breakdown of the A350: 30 A350-800 to replace A330 10 A350-900 to replace A340 / 777-200 10 A350-1000 to replace ????? About 747-8 isn't the Intercont
32 SandroZRH : And that was exactly the reason why i asked, thank you. No reason to jump on me.
33 Carls : SandroZRH, It was my mistake, you asked and that make me wonder, I also asked and then I realise I made an assumption. So there is no announcement ab
34 Atmx2000 : Pretty surprising that this order is biased so heavily towards the smaller aircraft. Perhaps EK has decided their expansion plans are unrealistic.
35 Post contains images SandroZRH : No problem, that was why i asked because I thought that had happened, but other members decided to jump on me oh and i think you meant the 747-8
36 Cloudyapple : Clark said they ordered 55 A388s and that was the maximum number the airport infrastructure can handle. Given both A388s and B748s are Code F aircraft
37 Post contains images Carls : Uups!! yes 747-8 I just created a whole new plane: the 787-8 Intercontinental.
38 Post contains links Philzh : Very well put, sir! Thanks for the nice pic! For all fascinated by megalomaniac projects (as I admittedly am), here's some more.
39 ConcordeBoy : which part? If it's the 787 you're talking about-- that should've been obvious, as had EK truly intended to order them, they could've done so several
40 SandroZRH : There's no talk of the 787 whatsoever. Carls made a mistake in his previous post by mistakenly typing 787 instead of 747.
41 Post contains links Amirs : Maybe as part of the incentive, Airbus brought forward the first A380 for EK to be delivered in April or May - if they go with A350. http://www.forbes
42 Kaitak : Somehow I can't see that happening, particularly in the current political environment; the French govt, let alone the Americans, wouldn't allow A330s
43 Ikramerica : That is still considered an order. But Boeing said they don't expect any more 747-8i sales this year, so either it's a ruse, or they are for 747-8F m
44 Post contains images LTU932 : Maybe that's the name the 787-8LR could take once QF orders it for nonstop SYD-LHR flights.
45 Lumberton : An A350 order by EK would not surprise me in the least as I've noted before I believe it was cinched the day Dubai bought their investment in EADS. O
46 Bond007 : Boy, it's a good job there is plenty of space left in the Arizona desert. Hot stock tip ... buy as many shares as you can of all the storage facilitie
47 Stitch : Considering how much EK was carping about the 787 being too small, to place the majority of their order for the model closest to the 787 in size strik
48 Iwok : If this turns out to be true, this order speaks volumes about the 748 and in my mind is a much more important order than the 350 (from a program stan
49 Acheron : That's so unexpected I have a hard time believing it, honestly. I don't mean to doubt what you say or sound disrespectful but "seeing is believing".
50 Carls : Oh well you are in Caracas, so I could have a wrong information. I just posted what I got, nothing else. If is true or not is another thing.
51 ER757 : I was thinking the same thing. But it does bring up something that I mentioned in the thread about Boeing's answer (or lack thereof) to the A380. The
52 SandroZRH : You better believe it. They already knocke don SRTechnics door a couple of weeks ago, asking for a maintenance package offer for the A330s
53 Post contains images LTU932 : Relax, I was just nitpicking, I tend to do that a lot. I admit, it's a nasty habit sometimes. Still, apologies if you thought I was insulting you or
54 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Carls I hope this leak is legit... lol May the best-looking modern widebody (with permission of the IL96 and 777) live on! Not ready to see the airlin
55 Post contains images Hightower : Hey! Thanks for remembering us. Alot of people doesn't even know where it is... or atleast not in those countries I've travelled in, including US of
56 Justloveplanes : I am not surprised by the A350 selection. I think Airbus is bascially designing the A350 to EK"s specifications as a super-launch customer, and is fo
57 Post contains images Behramjee : 30 A 358s to replace 29 A 332s. 10 A 359s to replace 3 B 772As + 6 B 772ERs + 10 A 345s...seems like a minimum of 20 A 359s here. 10 A 351s could be
58 Behramjee : i forgot to add 8 A 343s too of EK which need to be replaced for which the A 359s are well suited for...though i have a feeling that some of the addi
59 Gigneil : I think the existing 773As work great for their regional flights, and replacing them with the far more capable A350-1000 just doesn't make any sense.
60 Astuteman : "All in good time" is my opinion on this. Airbus are taking the time to get an A350 to the market that the industry wants. The 787 programme is backl
61 Behramjee : by the time the A 351s are delivered to EK (if ever produced by Airbus), it would be 2016 and by that time the B 773A fleet of EK would be 18-20 year
62 BlueSky1976 : Not necessarily. Greater range = heavier cargo capability over shorter segments. A350-800 has pretty much the same capability 787-9 has, so the race
63 Ikramerica : Not in the least. Boeing can't capture every contest anyway. If they lose out to the A350 for EK because the 787-10 isn't exactly the plane EK wants,
64 Worldrider : that's your personal opinion right? personal
65 StarGoldLHR : That airport is going to be fantastic. Are those "loop backs" at the end of the airport designed so that the plane can continue off the end of the run
66 NA : You can bet on it that some of the 773ERs on order will already replace the 773A in Emirates fleet around 2010. 18-20 years is far too old for them,
67 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : All due respect Carls, but I seem to remember you had a source who had some interesting thoughts on the BA order. I'll wait till the order comes in, b
68 BlueElephant : I think a lot of these aircraft will eventually be leased...but a number of these aircraft will probably go toward replacing EK's existing A330s....a
69 ERAUgrad02 : I assume Boeing got the greater range... This is also why I think BA will still order 748i. Later but still.
70 Carls : Yes, I have a good friend who work internally in BA and he mentioned that to me, although the numbers were a bit different he said 15 A380 and 25 787
71 AA1818 : Didn't Ek annouce a 748 order already?? Or was that only for the freighter? AA1818
72 Columba : Only Freighters - they were ordered during the last Dubai Air Show.
73 Revelation : Why, isn't there enough space left in the Arabian Desert?
74 United787 : I have yet to hear a good explanation of what Etihad, Qatar and Emirates are going to be doing with all of these aircraft. A megahub??? For who??? Fo
75 Post contains images Bond007 : They're gonna need both deserts Jimbo
76 CHRISBA777ER : No offence Carls its just that we get a lot of people saying they have a source high up at BA/AA/UA/CA/EK/DL/CX etc and they have been told in privile
77 DAYflyer : Absolutely. I can understand EK's move here with Boeing being tied up with trying to roll out the first 787's, and now with them late, the 787-10 is
78 Carls : BA it is in deed a good friend of mine. EK as I said before it is only a rumor coming from a leak. Your sarcastic comment did not reach me.
79 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Excellent - I was just about to invest in EK. There was me thinking they had a coherent business strategy and a well-planned future, but just in time
80 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Mate its only sarcastic if your source at EK doesnt exist - if he does, then you are indeed very fortunate. Where does one go to hear these leaks? I
81 Col : My money is on them being used to carry passengers. Seriously, you have to look what EK have done. It is very similar to CO in that they fly from Eur
82 Post contains images Carls : Time will tell us what EK will order. And you are right, I am very fortunate.....I am just wondering how you realized that if I don't even know you!!
83 Post contains images Bond007 : Time will tell Many of your observations are based on the current situation in Dubai ... not where it will be in 5-10 years time. Of course, we can a
84 Col : To succeed you have to take risks, how do you think anything evolves. I disagree with your statement, IMO there is more potential for success than fa
85 Stitch : Maybe EK and Dubai are working so hard to try and ensure that the situation today is the one that will be the same a decade from now?
86 Post contains images Osprey88 : 100 A350 and 20 747-8! The more I see these numbers, the more I think EK's eyes are bigger than their stomach! Any work on whether these 747-8s are 78
87 Asiaflyer : Carls, We all at a.net appreciate the information you are providing us. If you have a good source, don't overexpose it here, as peoples demand for yo
88 Bond007 : Which is no way to estimate what it will be in 10 years time! Some of it yes. Do you really think this isn't a factor in it's success? Much of it I w
89 Post contains images OHLHD : Not bad. That is good news for both Airbus and Boeing. Will be interesting if there will be any news about 787 and EK.
90 CHRISBA777ER : I wish I had contacts like that put it that way - apologies if i offended you. Wasnt my intention.
91 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...EK doesn't work in a vacuum friend, not only do they have many internal analysts, they consult with many different groups and organisations.....th
92 CHRISBA777ER : The assumption is that passenger numbers, freight tonnages for air travel will increase in spite of global economic realities. Basically you can simp
93 Col : And what is your estimation on EK in ten years time? Not ideal based on what? All hubs aren't ideal, but you offer good service with an efficient tra
94 Post contains links Jacobin777 : ...maybe something of interest.... "Boeing's 787 Is in Race for 100-Plane Emirates Order (Update1) " Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co. still stands a
95 CHRISBA777ER : I could totally see them getting a hundred-odd 788s as well as a load of A359s. The 788 gives them the opportunity to fly to places that nobody ever
96 BestWestern : That makes two europeans who are fond of the 788 - Its perfect for secondary routes from DXB to Europe, like BSL, BRS, DUB, LYS, BOD, etc...
97 Post contains images Jacobin777 :
98 CHRISBA777ER : I'm sure there are more of us! Hmmmm - think EK will probably be looking at most of these within the next ten years: Marseilles, Warsaw, Belfast, Gen
99 BestWestern : Not to mention the 25 more Indian airports that will come on line over the next five years.
100 Post contains images Stitch :
101 LAXDESI : Perhaps 10-15 more Indian cities will be connected over the next five years.
102 BestWestern : Exactly - The 788 can easily do a Secondary Europe - HUB - Secondary INDIA - round trip in 24hrs.
103 Stitch : I just posted this in another thread, but if Boeing can't get the 787 certified until 2009 because they can't do the cold weather parts of the progra
104 LTU932 : I don't want to make this more OT, but I believe if those V0 aircraft get on the Iranian registar and/or are dry-leased to IR, then the US will make
105 Acheron : Not really. My surprise comes precisely because there isn't any info about it anywhere other that they were getting extra money to get more ATR's and
106 Post contains images Jacobin777 : it's a tactic which just might work....
107 RayChuang : If Emirates Airways has ordered the 747-8I I think they will most likely be used on routes to the USA, primarily to JFK (non-stop), DTW (possibly non-
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