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AC YYZ To MAD Starting June 15th  
User currently offlineCdg From France, joined Sep 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2007/10/c2222.html

AC 386 YYZ-MAD 9:30pm - 10:55am 763
AC 387 MAD-YYZ 12:30am - 3:05pm 763

Cheers

CDG  Smile

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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3787 times:
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Interesting, very interesting...

From not to have any scheduled flight between Spain and Canada until 2006 to will have two airlines competing in this route (Air Transat and Air Canada).

If I don't remember bad, Air Canada used to operate 763 equipment to Madrid in 2003 or 2004  Confused but left the route due to low demand on it.

And Iberia, I remember to operate scheduled flights to YMQ with D10 aircrafts and the route was abandoned due the same reason.

Has anyone the load factors of Air Transat flights from AGP, BCN and MAD to Canada of this summer? Are a profitable route?

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3738 times:
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hmmm is AC abandoning its flight numbering scheme? 300 series flights were for US flights?

And IB operated DC-8s, later DC-10s (and even 747s) into YYZ for years, dropped in the mid 90s.



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User currently offlineYHZ From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

He just typed it wrong....the flight numbers are 836 and 837..

User currently offlineWonderFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
From not to have any scheduled flight between Spain and Canada until 2006 to will have two airlines competing in this route (Air Transat and Air Canada).

Might even be three airlines sometime soon, at least if IB makes good of its plan to fly to YYZ in 2009. I trust AC did its homework before deciding to reintroduce the route.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting WonderFan (Reply 4):

Might even be three airlines sometime soon, at least if IB makes good of its plan to fly to YYZ in 2009. I trust AC did its homework before deciding to reintroduce the route.

I think they did. The last time AC flew this route was under its pre-bankruptcy cost structure, and when it was burdened by the SARS outbreak. Spain has a strong economy, there is a lot of Canadian investment going into that country's alternate energy sector - including manufacturing for solar projects - and Spanair gives AC access to secondary Spanish destinations. It wouldn't surprise me if the route does passably well this time.


User currently offlineCDG From France, joined Sep 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

Quoting YHZ (Reply 3):
He just typed it wrong....the flight numbers are 836 and 837..

Sorry for that !! it's indeed AC 836 & AC 837

Thanks for correcting !


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
Air Canada used to operate 763 equipment to Madrid in 2003 or 2004 but left the route due to low demand on it.

Not low demand, it was low yield. These flights always had high load factors.



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

On the other side AC will pull out of Manchester, seasonal YYZ-MAN service is not coming back in 2008.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2):
And IB operated DC-8s, later DC-10s (and even 747s) into YYZ for years, dropped in the mid 90s.

As I recall, IB's service to YYZ was fairly brief. They did serve YUL for years, mostly as an intermediate stop to MEX with 5th freedom rights YUL-MEX. At that time I don't think IB had traffic rights for YYZ.


User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Nothing new. Just bringing back a old route that's been on and off.

Flew on this route back in 2003 and load factors were certainly there, probably was a questioj of yields as FLYACYYZ mentionned. They haven't even changed the flight times or the flight number. Back then in 03, Spanair had just joined Star Alliance. It should be a little better this time.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

I don't ever recall IB DC-8's in YYZ. Pretty sure it did not happen, except perhaps as a rare one-off.

IB operated a weekly charter D10 service MAD-Malaga-YYZ in 1989.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLAXAgent From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2):
hmmm is AC abandoning its flight numbering scheme? 300 series flights were for US flights?

Just been working for this airline for a while and out of lax flight numbers we have 792, 794, 744, 796,790 go to YYZ, 551,553,555,557,559 go to YVR, 571, 573 YYC, 798, 776, 782 YUL

so i really dont think the 300 series is for US flights



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting LAXAgent (Reply 12):
so i really dont think the 300 series is for US flights

Numbering systems undergo periodic changes. AC mainline flights to DCA and BOS currently utilize '300' series flights. DCA flights when launched were '500' series, and BOS flights were '800' series for years.



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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting LAXAgent (Reply 12):
so i really dont think the 300 series is for US flights

AC operates a relatively extensive network to the U.S., so one hundred possible flight numbers would never cover it. Read the following:

Quoting CDG (Reply 6):

Sorry for that !! it's indeed AC 836 & AC 837

300s, 500s, 700s, and early 1000s are all for U.S. flights.



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3359 times:
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Quoting Acey (Reply 14):
300s, 500s, 700s, and early 1000s are all for U.S. flights.

There still some Florida flights in the 900s too...

But yes, i didn't mean 300 flights are the ONLY US flights, i meant that 300 were used for some US flights...

Basically:

000-099= Asia/Oceania/South America
100-299= domestic
300-399= US
400-499= domestic
500-599= US
600-699= domestic
700-799= US
800-899= Europe/Carribean
900-999= US/Carribean
1000-1199= domestic/US
7000-8999= Jazz/Alliance



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User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Arent the flight numbers AC836 and AC837????

Glad to see this one back in the AC transatl network


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Hopefully they can tap some of the connecting traffic from latin America, as they were doing reasonably well on building before. Although there is direct service from many many detsiantions in latin america to MAD, if they can offer decent prices they will at least be competitive--especially because of growing disdain for US transit rules and procedures.

User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Flyyul (Reply 16):
Arent the flight numbers AC836 and AC837????

Yes, as confirmed by

Quoting YHZ (Reply 3):
the flight numbers are 836 and 837.

and

Quoting CDG (Reply 6):
it's indeed AC 836 & AC 837



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 7):
Not low demand, it was low yield. These flights always had high load factors.

What's the configuration of AC's 763's? How many seats up front?

Quoting CayMan (Reply 17):
Hopefully they can tap some of the connecting traffic from latin America, as they were doing reasonably well on building before. Although there is direct service from many many detsiantions in latin america to MAD, if they can offer decent prices they will at least be competitive--especially because of growing disdain for US transit rules and procedures.

Don't want to disrespect you, but do you really think somebody will connect through YYZ to get to MAD? Are you aware of how small is AC's LatAm network? Can you imagine someone spending a full day at YYZ to connect GRU-YYZ-MAD or CCS-YYZ-MAD with the several nonstop options they have? I can only see MEX as the only LatAm station from where it could make at least some sense to connect at YYZ to MAD, but once again there are plenty of non stop options to Europe. AFAIK, AC's has marketed YYZ as a connecting point from LatAm to Asia (NRT, HKG, PVG, etc).

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
Interesting, very interesting...

As we've discussed in other threads, it would very interesting to see BCN becoming a STAR mini hub, however until now they have been unable to atract STAR carriers other than SQ to go to BCN instead of MAD (TG and now AC to MAD), even though JK offers better connecting options out of BCN.



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