Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1675 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4161 times:
Quoting WonderFan (Reply 4):
Might even be three airlines sometime soon, at least if IB makes good of its plan to fly to YYZ in 2009. I trust AC did its homework before deciding to reintroduce the route.
I think they did. The last time AC flew this route was under its pre-bankruptcy cost structure, and when it was burdened by the SARS outbreak. Spain has a strong economy, there is a lot of Canadian investment going into that country's alternate energy sector - including manufacturing for solar projects - and Spanair gives AC access to secondary Spanish destinations. It wouldn't surprise me if the route does passably well this time.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26668 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2): And IB operated DC-8s, later DC-10s (and even 747s) into YYZ for years, dropped in the mid 90s.
As I recall, IB's service to YYZ was fairly brief. They did serve YUL for years, mostly as an intermediate stop to MEX with 5th freedom rights YUL-MEX. At that time I don't think IB had traffic rights for YYZ.
SafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3782 times:
Nothing new. Just bringing back a old route that's been on and off.
Flew on this route back in 2003 and load factors were certainly there, probably was a questioj of yields as FLYACYYZ mentionned. They haven't even changed the flight times or the flight number. Back then in 03, Spanair had just joined Star Alliance. It should be a little better this time.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3782 times:
Quoting LAXAgent (Reply 12): so i really dont think the 300 series is for US flights
Numbering systems undergo periodic changes. AC mainline flights to DCA and BOS currently utilize '300' series flights. DCA flights when launched were '500' series, and BOS flights were '800' series for years.
CayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3782 times:
Hopefully they can tap some of the connecting traffic from latin America, as they were doing reasonably well on building before. Although there is direct service from many many detsiantions in latin america to MAD, if they can offer decent prices they will at least be competitive--especially because of growing disdain for US transit rules and procedures.
UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 7): Not low demand, it was low yield. These flights always had high load factors.
What's the configuration of AC's 763's? How many seats up front?
Quoting CayMan (Reply 17): Hopefully they can tap some of the connecting traffic from latin America, as they were doing reasonably well on building before. Although there is direct service from many many detsiantions in latin america to MAD, if they can offer decent prices they will at least be competitive--especially because of growing disdain for US transit rules and procedures.
Don't want to disrespect you, but do you really think somebody will connect through YYZ to get to MAD? Are you aware of how small is AC's LatAm network? Can you imagine someone spending a full day at YYZ to connect GRU-YYZ-MAD or CCS-YYZ-MAD with the several nonstop options they have? I can only see MEX as the only LatAm station from where it could make at least some sense to connect at YYZ to MAD, but once again there are plenty of non stop options to Europe. AFAIK, AC's has marketed YYZ as a connecting point from LatAm to Asia (NRT, HKG, PVG, etc).
As we've discussed in other threads, it would very interesting to see BCN becoming a STAR mini hub, however until now they have been unable to atract STAR carriers other than SQ to go to BCN instead of MAD (TG and now AC to MAD), even though JK offers better connecting options out of BCN.