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Delta 767-400 Question  
User currently offlineAdman737 From Ecuador, joined Sep 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

I am gonna be flying in a 767 400 from MCO to ATL. Do the tvs on the plane work like jetblues tvs? What is the best seat on the plane? I am very excited my first time in a 767 400.

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Check out www.seatguru.com. Depending on what ship you get, you may or may not have in-flight entertainment - that is to say if you get an internationally-configured aircraft doing an MCO turn you'll be set. Otherwise, the remaining 767-400s have not yet received PTVs but will in the future.

Delta uses Dish Network for their satellite TV service, whereas jetBlue uses DirecTV.

[Edited 2007-10-11 08:56:05]

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting Adman737 (Thread starter):
What is the best seat on the plane? I am very excited my first time in a 767 400.

It's a nice bird! And to answer your question...I have found the best seat in coach is right at the exit door just aft of the wing....tons of legroom! Im thinking row 41 but I may be wrong...check seat guru. But you can't go wrong with that seat. Enjoy!



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4262 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 1):
Check out www.seatguru.com. Depending on what ship you get, you may or may not have in-flight entertainment - that is to say if you get an internationally-configured aircraft doing an MCO turn you'll be set. Otherwise, the remaining 767-400s have not yet received PTVs but will in the future.

Do the internationally-configured aircraft have satellite tv on them? I have a friend who just flew on a DL 764 to Europe and he did not mention anything about live television, although he did say the IFE was top shelf.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
Do the internationally-configured aircraft have satellite tv on them? I have a friend who just flew on a DL 764 to Europe and he did not mention anything about live television, although he did say the IFE was top shelf.

No, they don't have live satellite TV, as getting a satellite signal over the ocean would be impossible. However, unlike on the Transcon aircraft, there is no fee for watching the AVOD movies.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

11 FG are crew rest seats. Snag those. Huge legroom, footrests, and a little more recline I think.


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5594 times:
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Quoting Adman737 (Thread starter):
I am gonna be flying in a 767 400 from MCO to ATL. Do the tvs on the plane work like jetblues tvs?

The easiest way to tell if your 764 has the AVOD PTVs is by the seat map. If the Economy cabin starts with row 15, then it will; otherwise, if it starts with row 10, it will be a domestic 764 with no PTVs in the back.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
I have a friend who just flew on a DL 764 to Europe and he did not mention anything about live television, although he did say the IFE was top shelf.

On those flights, the "TV" option includes episodes of various TV comedies and dramas. Also, there is HBO with episodes of various HBO Original shows like "Rome", "Curb Your Enthusiasm", "Entourage", "Sex And The City", etc.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
getting a satellite signal over the ocean would be impossible.

You wanna explain that one for me? I mean, I know most TV satellites are in geosynchronous orbits, but it's not like they're afraid of water!



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User currently offlineLAXorLGWonDL From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 2):

TinPusher is right on this one - 30A/B/F/G are great on the 767-400! I was in 30G outbound and 30A return this past week ATL-LGW-ATL on an international configured 767-400. There is no lavatory on the F/G side, which was nice as fewer people stood around waiting in line. Happy flying!  Smile



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User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2352 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5041 times:
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Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
You wanna explain that one for me? I mean, I know most TV satellites are in geosynchronous orbits, but it's not like they're afraid of water!

While a geosynchronous satellite can theoretically cover about 40% of the earth’s surface, in practice broadcast satellites have a much smaller footprint. In short, in that application everyone builds antennas focused to deliver power to the area they're serving. So antennas broadcasting to North America tend to have a "spot" about 4K miles wide.

Broadcast power is one of the main drivers of satellite cost and size, so wasting very expensive watts on empty ocean or continents where you're not selling service is rather frowned upon. Then too, attenuation at the edges of the "40%" spot is significant due to the increased amount of atmosphere the signal has to pass though (think of the Sun at mid day vs. just before sunset), which means you need more power at the edges.

Satellites that are intended to cover the maximum possible area (like the GPS sats), obviously focus their beams differently (although they're still directional - why waste the power beaming signals into space).

So you can't receive most media broadcast satellite signals in mid ocean, simply because the signal isn’t being sent there.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

I got one with no inflight entertainment and no window. Just a plastic wall. talk about board. All i could see is the
little board showing where the plane is,a few rows up on the wall. but that was the first 400 out of lga so maybe things werent kosher then.



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 2):
have found the best seat in coach is right at the exit door just aft of the wing....tons of legroom! Im thinking row 41 but I may be wrong

Row 30, sat there a few times myself  Smile Great seats.

To the poster, what's your flight number from MCO-ATL? Flt 28 by chance?


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting Rwessel (Reply 9):
So you can't receive most media broadcast satellite signals in mid ocean, simply because the signal isn’t being sent there.

Interesting! And I guess it's just not economical to shoot a new satellite up there just for a few airliners, especially if nobody's paying for the service.



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User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2352 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
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Quoting N766UA (Reply 12):
And I guess it's just not economical to shoot a new satellite up there just for a few airliners, especially if nobody's paying for the service.

Well, definitely not if nobody's paying for the service!  Wink

If someone wanted to they could certainly get mobile satellite data service anywhere on the planet, and then run video over that. Unfortunately that's still a point-to-point connection, and very expensive at video bitrates. And the relatively less expensive services in that genre require fairly large movable antennas, which may be impractical for most airliners.

BGAN, for example, offers about 500kbs downlink speeds, and you can move data for a mere $5-$10 per megabyte, so it would cost north of $2K to receive a two hour movie, assuming you could encode it acceptably in 500kbps. Most BGAN terminals are not suited for mobile operations (you have to set them up and get them properly pointed at a sat), and while terminals on gimbaled autoseeking platforms have been built, I don’t know if any are commercially available. Nor does BGAN support a “cell” function, so you’d have to deal with moving between satellite coverage areas at the application layer.


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