AA777ER From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
AMRs 2Q FCF is running 7.2 Million/Day......................................
Restoring the AA Pilots Wages Plus CPI.............Will Cost $1.5 Million more/Daay or $5/PAX or a Starbucks Latte !
GET OVER IT.....................
We will NOT subsidize the Traveling Public moving forward !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
Ah, the devoted enthusiast who angrily tells the rest of the world how they owe him money.
But, you know what? I can say the same thing!
"We, the flying public, will not subsidize the ridiculous union payscales that pay a 30 year senior pilot too much money just because he/she's old."
We are tired of paying too much to fly when it is so unreliable.
The airline employees owe us! They should voluntarily take even more pay cuts and smile while doing so!
After all, isn't that what you are telling us? That we should just smile and pay $5 more per segment so that you can get your OVERPAID wages back? You were overpaid in 2000. You were overpaid in 2003. Now you are fairly paid, and it's not fair and you want everyone else to pay?
If anyone needs to "get over it" it's the AA pilots. You have a good salary, a good job, and you bitch.
As of today, in my industry, I can no longer find work because all production is shutting down. Period. There is a strike 2 weeks away, and already work has stopped. And my lovely union is trying to shut down industries that they don't even deal with (internet and animation).
So be thankful you still have a high paying job and stop living in the past. The world has changed, and it's not OUR fault you can't deal with it!
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1950 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
This is just insane. The current crop of airline CEO's need to be taken out and shot for even thinking of these measures. These so-called ancillary services were one of the few things keeping revenue coming in the door. What happens to the airline once these services have been sold off, the profits squandered, and another economic down-turn comes their way? Nothing to fall back on? Bye Bye Airline! Unbelievable. I can't believe these clowns are allowed to run airlines. These guys are starting to make Ken Lay look positively honorable.
ACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 921 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
Interesting approach. Sadly at odds with the free market economy.
There is a series of mistaken assumptions....
1. Airline can raise fares arbitrarily and passengers will still fly in the same numbers.
2. Airlines can raise fares and all airlines will match
3. Employees like AA pilots are entitled to a higher wage and that market dynamics will not apply
4. Shareholders and the company have no right to recoup the billions lost during economically weak time.
5. The economy is going great and will support the continued traffic/yields.
I would say the author of the original post has a very myopic view of the real world.
Sadly, Many including myself believe;
1. History clearly shows as yields increase the loads decrease along with overall revenue. (The Southwest airlines effect is based on the opposite and has proven to work.)
2. History clearly shows that airlines do not hesitate to undercut each other to gain market share and if they cooperated with each other to raise fares they would be guilty of anti-trust measures. In fact the basis of the capitalistic model is that competition will continue to cause lower costs, or addl features for the same or lower price points. Collusion is illegal and violators are guilty of anti-trust. The weak shall perish and the strong survive. If AA costs go too high (overpaid employees) then they will perish along with all the employees jobs. Think Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, and many others who were all #1 at various points in history.
3. AA Employees are asking for significantly more then market wages. They are basing the assumptions on the ridiculous wages agreed to in 2000 that were the reason the industry was in trouble prior to 9.11.01. The reality is that LCC's and others have proven that the market wage should be significantly lower.
4. Shareholders, Debt holders, Bondholders and others are trying to recover their losses. The management in the financial area knows that if you mess with them and jerk them to help the employees then you might as well close the doors as you will never get another bond issue, lease, terminal etc done.
5. The US economy is in trouble and the US dollar as well. Read the front page of today's Wall Street Journal.
It is so sad when these folks go forward believing they have all the answers with a myopic view rather then looking at the full picture. That being stated there are big issues with excessive executive compensation. The US corporate world is about to see some significant changes in the next decade with conspicuous consumption and those who look after themselves first becoming accountable to boards and shareholders.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7586 times:
Here we have an example of the attitude of many employees of airline companies. This is the reason that the US Airlines are struggling and have such a deserved bad rap. Can you imagine a F/A with the attitude that he/she is subsidizing your travel as you sit there, having paid for that seat? You look at that FA wrong and bam will you suffer. I am not saying that the pilots/FA/ or whoever have a case for better pay or better conditions, that is a whole other issue. But once you start blaming your customers who keep your paycheck coming in the door you are in the wrong industry and your shortsightedness will result in your job evaporating.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7587 times:
You know, I'm an AA elite FF with a hundreds of thousands of miles earned, and I find this behavior appalling.
AA's greedy unions make more than anyone else in the industry and yet they want their wages restored. Guess what? Your wages should be based on today's economy, not the economy of 10 years ago. The glory days of pre-9/11 are gone and past. And if you want to start pointing fingers for the state of air travel today, look no further than Skybus and WN. Your respective legacy employer can't keep up when your unions are bleeding them dry, especially when they're already at a disadvantage due to their cost structure.
AA777ER From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7587 times:
In April of 2003, the pilots of American Airlines ratified a concessionary contract with the goal of keeping our company out of bankruptcy.
AMR's position in 2003 was partially the result of the collapse of the airline industry in the wake of 9/11. However, a series of disastrous decisions by AMR management- from ill-advised purchases and attempted purchases of other carriers to poor marketing decisions to expensive stock buy-backs- exacerbated our company's financial woes.
The pilots of American Airlines stepped up and saved the AMR corporation from impending financial disaster with a series of massive concessions. This contract provided the AMR corporation with an estimated $1 billion in annual savings in the areas of pay, productivity, and benefits. Some pilots suffered pay cuts as severe as 50%- all American pilots, who had not enjoyed a pay raise since 2000, suffered tremendous personal and financial hardship.
At the time the contract was ratified, the pilots were assured that they would share in any future successes of the company that they preserved.
Within a year of the 2003 crisis, AMR was back on firm financial footing, paying down debt, restoring the balance sheet, and building a large cash cushion.
Management pay was restored to pre-2003 levels by late 2004 and bonus plans took effect.
As AMR became profitable in 2006, the top 1000 managers began to receive bonuses that would total over 250 million dollars by April of 2007, with the majority going to the top 50 managers. In 2006, the top 5 AMR managers received $33.9 million in compensation, 29% more than the next highest management team in the industry. At the same time, the pilots have not shared in the recovery of our airline as promised.
The pilots of American Airlines as represented by the Allied Pilots Association are presently in contract negotiations with AMR. The APA has set a goal of recovering the investment made in 2003, with a focus on the following areas:
Hourly pay rates that restore lost purchasing power
Recovery and improvement of work rules
Preservation and enhancement of retirement benefits
Variable compensation that provides a true stake in future success
To date, the AMR corporation seems unwilling to entertain any proposals that do not constitute further concessions.
The APA Negotiations Web site will provide factual information related the the ongoing negotiations, updates on the status of the negotiations via email, and a point of contact for additional questions.
Thank you for your interest in the contract negotiations between APA and AMR.
AMR managers received over $260 million in bonuses between April 2006 and April 2007. If divided amongst the pilots this would equal an approximate average pay raise of 11% per year over those two years.
American Airlines pilots produced 9.2% more domestic revenue passenger miles per pilot and $600,000 more in revenue per pilot than Southwest pilots in 2006, according to Department of Transportation Statistics. (Source: DOT form 41 statistics)
American Airlines has finished an average of 8th out of 11 industry competitors in Survey America comparisons over the last four years. Pilot performance bonuses are heavily based on these statistics- management bonuses are not. (Source: Survey America, SEC filings)
Pilots avoid thunderstorms and other hazardous weather themselves through the use of airborne weather radar. Correct radar technique takes years of experience to perfect. The energy in a typical summer thunderstorm is more than sufficient to severely damage or destroy an airliner.
Between January and July of 2007, American Airlines had 205 flights that were delayed more than three hours between gate departure and takeoff, 57% more than the airline with the next highest number of delayed flights. (Source: DOT website)
SkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7586 times:
Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 8): and we will not pay your wage by buying a ticket, see how that works? you work for customers, not for the Union.
Amen. Hasn't this horse been beaten to death in another thread? If you union guys are tired of working for an airline at your current wage scale, no one is holding a gun to your head. There are other jobs to be had and there are lots of people out there who would gladly take your places. It's not my fault as a passenger that you don't make what you think you should. The "glory days" of working for airlines and making big bucks is over. People can accept it or move on. Militant unions have killed lots of companies including airlines. Just because yours may be the biggest, it does not make you immune from standing in the unemployment line if you aren't willing to deal with the realities of air travel today. There are plenty of other choices for us pax out there and more on the way. Most people I know no longer hold blind loyalty to a single airline anymore and are willing to change if they continue to get the surly "you passengers owe me" attitude.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26682 posts, RR: 83 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7586 times:
AA and all the other legacies should just give stock options to the employees, as well. Then that way if all their hard work improves the stock price, then they get to share in the spoils as well, instead of just management.
And management just needs a solid salary (I don't care if it is millions of dollars) and greatly-reduced stock options so management is not driven to raise the stock price at all costs so they can make their load.
But if AA passengers will not pay $5 more per flight for MRTC, they are very unlikely to pay $5 for higher wages for the staff, especially since so many of the complaints about AA - and the other legacy carriers - is centered directly on the staff.
Then you won't be employed moving forward. That's pretty simple.
Quoting PA110 (Reply 3): What happens to the airline once these services have been sold off, the profits squandered, and another economic down-turn comes their way?
I assume you're referring to investors pressuring airlines like AMR to sell assets like AAdvantage, etc. In AMR's case, though, management doesn't want to sell them - of course, if the unions keep this bullsh*t up, they may have no choice.
Quoting AA777ER (Reply 10): However, a series of disastrous decisions by AMR management- from ill-advised purchases and attempted purchases of other carriers to poor marketing decisions to expensive stock buy-backs- exacerbated our company's financial woes.
Would you care to enlighten us on exactly which "disastrous decisions" AMR management made in time immediately before 9/11. TWA may seem like one now - in hindsight - but pre-9/11, that was one of the smoothest deals in airline history: AA was getting tons of assets worth of value for penny on the dollar.
Quoting AA777ER (Reply 10): The pilots of American Airlines stepped up and saved the AMR corporation from impending financial disaster with a series of massive concessions.
Well, thank God for the pilots then. Where would AA be without them?! Those stupid, useless flight attendants, mechanics, gate and ticket agents, office workers, secretaries, and sales reps just sat around and ask for more - me, me, me - but thankfully those selfless pilots really stepped up to the plate!
Do you honestly hear yourself say this crap before you type it?
Quoting AA777ER (Reply 10): Some pilots suffered pay cuts as severe as 50%- all American pilots, who had not enjoyed a pay raise since 2000, suffered tremendous personal and financial hardship.
And that sucks, it really does. But seeing as pilots - on average - already earn far more on average than the average American, and certainly the average airline employee, its a bit harder for me to be sympathetic for their situation when their flight attendants with the same seniority literally make 1/4 of what captains make. I have no doubt it's caused tremendous personal and financial hardship for pilots - losing pay has a tendency of doing that for everyone.
But that's life, and that's reality. Should companies just go through history, never changing anything, and never making adjustments to labor costs to satisfy the market, just because they might "upset" people?
Quoting AA777ER (Reply 10): At the time the contract was ratified, the pilots were assured that they would share in any future successes of the company that they preserved.
As they have.
Quoting AA777ER (Reply 10): Management pay was restored to pre-2003 levels by late 2004 and bonus plans took effect.
Management pay hasn't been restored to anything, as pay hasn't really changed that much in the last four years for management - especially the VPs.
The stock options that management was granted was not granted in 2004, or 2007, but all the way back in 2003, and they were granted on the basis that they would be absolutely worthless unless management delivered strong financial performance and boosted the stock price. With the huge help from labor concessions plus - minor detail - a bit of sound, prudent fiscal decision-making, management has done just that.
But again, just as I said in the other thread, this whole ridiculous proposition by some overly-emotional pilots that management just decided to give themselves raises because of what a great job they were doing is just completely false on two counts: 1) management didn't decide anything - these bonuses were set by the Board of Directors, and 2) these stock options were only worth anything if management did one thing and one thing only: boost the stock price. And they did just that. But back in 2003 when they were granted, there was at least a 50/50 shot as to whether AMR would be able to survive and the stock price would go up. As it turns out, the stock price skyrocketed, and AMR managers got rewarded - as did pilots and all other full-time U.S. employees on payroll, but will get to that.
Quoting AA777ER (Reply 10): In 2006, the top 5 AMR managers received $33.9 million in compensation, 29% more than the next highest management team in the industry.
Well, seeing as the top 5 AMR managers' base pay has been for about the last decade significantly lower than the industry average - and dramatically, dramatically lower than companies of similar size to AMR outside the airline industry, I'd say that's not really that big of a jump.
Quoting AA777ER (Reply 10): At the same time, the pilots have not shared in the recovery of our airline as promised.
Oh that's just bullsh*t and you know it.
Pilots have "shared" in the recovery of AMR more than any other single workgroup, by far. The stock options alone that the pilots were granted, if they played their cards right, is more than some of the level 4 managers at AA got from the bonus plan. The options AMR gave each pilot were potentially worth over $33,000. Not to mention profit-sharing, which each and every full-time pilot is going to get next year, and it is probably going to be fairly substantial. And not to mention the granddaddy of all sacred airline pilot perks: their multi-million-dollar pensions, which every single AMR pilot still has. Every single pilot's defined benefit pension is still there, and still being fully funded by AMR, unlike at any single other airline in the U.S. As you and I both know that some pilots' cash-out upon age 60 retirement is in the $3-4 million range, I wouldn't be complaining too much if I was you.
I'm sure you could find a few pilots - to say nothing of other employees - at airlines like USAirways and Northwest that would kill to have been able to "share in the recovery" of their airlines as well as AMR's pilots have been able to share in the recovery of AA.
I suppose you could say that, as the saying goes, "the grass is always greener," but looking around at your peers at other airlines, AA777ER, I have to ask you: could you actually give us an example of a single other pilot workgroup at another major U.S. airline that you feel has a better total compensation package - salary, benefits, profit-sharing, stock options, pension - than you and other AA pilots? Just one.
From the airline that took away one olive from each meal to save a few bucks......You give us back our olive and you can have my Starbucks......
Every other Legacy has made strides since 9/11 in regards to adjusting to the "post 9/11" era, As has been mentioned already, AA seems to be on the top of everyone's complaint list.......Maybe its time AA look at theirself before coming after the consumer.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 63 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7314 times:
I'm not saying it's fair, or comparing it with the situation now, but it is kind of funny and this thread eerily reminded me of it.
Does anyone else remember this little gem from a few AA-APA negotiations ago, back in the mid-1990s?
Still gets me every time.
HELP FEED THE PILOTS
It's just not right. Thousands of pilots in our very own country are living at or just below the six-figure salary line. And if that wasn't bad enough, many of them may go several weeks or months without a paycheck if they are forced by AA management to strike.
But now you can help. For about $300 a day--that's less than the price of a 25" television set--you can help keep a pilot economically viable during his time of need.
Three hundred dollars a day may not seem like a lot of money to you, but to a pilot it could mean the difference between a vacation fishing in Florida or a Mediterranean cruise.
For you, $300 is nothing more than a half-month's rent or mortgage payment, but to a pilot $300 a day will almost replace his salary. Three hundred dollars a day will enable a pilot-in-need to upgrade his home computer, buy that CD player for his car, or enjoy a dinner at The Mansion.
"How will I know I'm helping?"** Each month, you will receive a complete financial report on the crew member you sponsor. Detailed information about his stocks, bonds, 401K, and real-estate holdings will be mailed to your home. You will be able to watch your pilot's net worth grow.
"How will they know I'm helping?" Your pilot will be told that he has a SPECIAL FRIEND within AMR management who just wants to help. Although the pilot won't know your name, he will be able to make collect calls to your home via a special operator, in case he needs additional funds.
I want to help. In the event of a strike by the APA, I would like to sponsor the crew member listed below (circle your selections):
**F-100 CREW MEMBER
**SUPER-80 CREW MEMBER
**757 CREW MEMBER
**767 CREW MEMBER
**MD-11 CREW MEMBER
**AN ENTIRE FLIGHT CREW
**Please apply my donation to the crew member most in need.
Please charge the account listed below $326.25 per day ($350.22 for MD-11 crew members) for the duration of the strike. Please send me a picture of the crew member I've sponsored, along with a set of "wings" and my very own SCOPE badge.
( ) Mastercard
( ) Visa
( ) American Express
( ) Diner's Club
( ) AAsset Card
Send completed forms to the APA, or enroll by phone:
Note: Sponsors agree not to contact the crew members or their families in person or by other means including, but not limited to, telephone calls, letters, E-mail, or third persons. Contributions are not tax-deductible. In the event no strike occurs, sponsors agree to a one-time administrative charge of $500 to cover the administrative costs of this program.
ACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 921 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7314 times:
If AA777ER is so unhappy he is free to work anywhere else. The beautiful part of the USA is that he can go to work in aviation consulting, open a business, or flip fries.... OR deal with the reality that business changes and we are in a capitalistic economy.
AA777ER have you ever owned a business? Was it successful? Did you have employees?
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7314 times:
Quoting ACVitale (Reply 24): If AA777ER is so unhappy he is free to work anywhere else.
He can even work for another airline, right now!
I wish my industry was like that. When our Writer's Guild of America union leaders decide to strike, nobody is allowed to work anywhere, and anyone who does will be banned from the union for life. This means that as soon as the contract is signed, be it a week or a year later, anyone who works in the interim will NEVER WORK IN THE INDUSTRY AGAIN, or at least never be allowed to write for television or any studio film (where the real money is). Period.
And we work freelance in the first place. We are independent contractors who are still banned from working, even if we are not union members (and many of us aren't because we aren't allowed to join until they say we can). So, we have no chance to earn income during our strike in our field, and those who aren't yet union don't even get any of the strike fund to tide us over.
So before you pilots bitch about how underpaid you are for working far fewer hours a month at a secure job at one of the highest payscales in your industry, think about how absurd you sound to those of us who are not as lucky to be as poorly treated as you are.
In other words, get a life!
That is all.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 SEATTLE OPS: I think someone's been hitting the cool-aid a little hard recently! Are your current leaders willing to be hit with multi-million dollar court judgeme
26 Silentbob: I would go with: "Now you are less overpaid..."
27 FlyDreamliner: here is an idea... Arpey and crew up in the board room should do it, tack on a $5 pilot surcharge to give the pilots their raise. next month they can
28 ATLAaron: You are a pilot at AA? This should make all of you a little nervous next time you are flying AA.
29 LTBEWR: One of the greatest problems leading to the massive pay cuts in the legacy airline industry and the difficulty in restoring some of them are the retir
30 Itsnotfinals: they did nt receive cash they received stock options which vest over a 4-5 year sliding scale and is paid only when the stock is sold , and in 5 year
31 Itsnotfinals: Next time you go into McDonalds make sure you pay 9.84 for your number 1 combo meal so the workers there can make more than 7 dollars an hour also. I
32 PITRules: Just curious, what should an FA make in comparison to a Captain?
33 MaverickM11: Boy you've got a lot of outrageous and misplaced chutzpah. They also cured cancer, invented the internet, and died for your sins. I managed to find a
34 EA CO AS: Y'know, I'm very much a supporter of pilots - but AA's guys better PRAY this never goes before an arbitrator, because a quick look at the payscales sh
35 MEA-707: lol, you don't understand anything about capitalism, right? Travellers have a choice. Do you go to a supermarket who charges 20% more for the same go
36 Ogre727: But why should the passengers pay for this? this is not solving the problem at all. Basically you are saying it pisses you off that the money is goin
37 Commavia: It's not for me to say - it's up to the market to dictate. But if I had my way, the flight attendants would make just as much or more than the pilots
38 777STL: Great! Do you work for Southwest? Thought not, then its irrelevant. Pay is based off of seniority at WN, not the size of the aircraft flown. You're c
39 Commavia: Um, minor detail: that might have something to do with the fact that Southwest only flies one airplane, with a size variance between aircraft variant
40 MattRB: By going into bankruptcy, renegotiating their costs and dumping their pensions (thereby screwing the employees who had faithfully paid into the progr
41 Commavia: Exactly. At the monthly minimum of 64 hours for a pilot with enough seniority to hold lines, that equals - for example - an average annual salary (as
42 Pope: Seems to me that your union did a piss poor job negotiating. If I were the union negotiator, I'd walk in with one and only one demand. The pilots wil
43 MaverickM11: Weren't they offered similar stock compensation but turned it down in favor of hard compensation?
44 Commavia: No, they actually got stock option compensation. Each APA member got over 900 stock options with a $5 strike price, meaning that if pilots exercised
45 Itsnotfinals: in the US Pensions are 100% paid by the company and are not required to be offered to employees. The vast majority of employees in the US have no pen
46 SkyyMaster: What gripes me about the comment of the thread starter and those who are whining about their pay is that they feel an entitlement to have their pay re
47 N710PS: Ha the attitude of entitlement. Now theres someone who does not get it. WOW you pay a whopping $159.00 to fly from New York to Savannah and YOU want
48 Itsnotfinals: You should be making 35 an hour or more Regional pilots are way underpaid. Captains at AA though? the days of $200 a hour for AA senior pilots are ov
49 Luv2fly: Why not just give each employee there own personal tip jar!! Hell we already check ourselves in and print our own boarding passes, why not tag the lug
50 MaverickM11: But with demands for a 30% wage increase from an already very good salary, look for UAVs at an airport near you soon! Or UAAVs rather
51 Ckfred: Remember that it's large investors that are try to "unlock shareholder value" by forcing sell offs of FF programs, regional carriers, and maintenance
52 Aogdesk: Once he gets to LHR, he'll probably copy and paste something from the union about how his experience on the flight deck trumps business experience. A
53 Commavia: To say nothing of members of the flying public. If the APA wants to make this a really public catfight P.R. battle with AMR, they're going to have to
54 Access-Air: Except when it came to ALL the airlines cutting Travel Agent commsions...They seemed to be protected by some sort of thing but the funny thing was th
55 777STL: Uhh yes, no kidding, that was implied. Hence why his comparison in invalid. He should be comparing himself to DL, UA and CO, not WN.