Doug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 825 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
Its probably laid out on the PHX web site but dealing with my local MIA website which tries but I think it would be better to get the info from forum members.How many intl flights are currently offered and to where in particular and what are the future destinations looking like.
Treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 503 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2589 times:
Hey,
The most likely new International flights from PHX will probably be with LH to FRA and possibly MX to MEX. Otherwise new flights will most likely not happen untill US Airways gets it's A332s and or A350s.
Here are the only Int'l flights I know of from PHX.
6x weekly flights to LHR by BA,,
Daily flights to MEX by US and I think AM,
Seasonal flights to SJO by US,
Daily flights to PVR by US,
Daily flights to HMO by US and AM,
Daily flights to CUN by US,
Flights to SJD by US,
Daily flights to YYZ by US and AC,
Daily flights to YEG by US,
Daily flights to YVR by US
Daily/Seasonal flights to YYC by US, AC and Westjet,
Seasonal flights to YWG by Westjet and I think AC,
I think thats most of them, I may have missed some.
LHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2589 times:
Mainly to Mexico with AM, HP/US, and soon MX. Also AC flies to PHX. BA has a daily 744 from LHR as well.
LH used to fly to PHX, but left in 2004. However, there are several convincing rumors stating that LH is interested in restarting PHX. I've never set foot in PHX, but I personally would love to see LH restart FRA-PHX-FRA.
As for daydreaming, I'm viewing AF/KL to do either CDG or AMS with an A332.
That's just my two cents (although it's only a penny for your thoughts. What's up with that? )
Treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 503 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
Hey,
The most likely new Int'l flight will be by LH to FRA and possibly MX to MEX, Otherwise there most likely won't be any new flights until US Airways gets their A332s or A350s.
Treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 503 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
Hey,
The most likely new Int'l flight will be LH to FRA and possibly MX to MEX, Otherwise there most likely won't be new flights
until US Airways gets their A332s or A350s.
Treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 503 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
Hey,
The most likely new Int'l flight will be LH to FRA and possibly MX to MEX, Otherwise there most likely won't be new flights
until US Airways gets their A332s or A350s.
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2328 times:
It would be great to see LH return to PHX especially with US now being combined fully with HP. I'm sure PHX flyers would greatly apreciate the option of being able to fly nonstop to Europe without having to connect in hellish PHL.
How is AM's PHX-MEX doing? Any chance they will increase their flights to PHX i.e., PHX-GDL? It's hard to believe US's GDL only dictates using a CR9. Is this market that small mainline a/c won't be economically feasibleWith it being US's westcoast hub I'd think there would be enough of a demand for them to utilize at least a 319. Thoughts?
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2328 times:
YWG is not served by AC from PHX - it is only served by WestJet and it's seasonal.
BY TERMINAL, including seasonal flights:
TERMINAL 2
Air Canada: Calgary, Toronto
TERMINAL 3
Nothing international, although Hawaiian serves Honolulu from Terminal 3.
TERMINAL 4
US Airways: Acapulco, Cabo, Calgary, Cancun, Edmonton, Guadalajara, Guaymas, Hermosillo, Ixtapa, Manzanillo, Mazatlan, Mexico City, Puerto Vallarta, San Jose (Costa Rica), Toronto, Vancouver
- Also, while not international, US Airways flies to Honolulu, Kona, Lihue, Kahului, and Anchorage.
Aeromexico: Guadalajara, Hermosillo, Mexico City
British Airways: London Heathrow
Westjet: Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg
- Again, not international, but ATA serves Honolulu and Kahului from Terminal 4.
Thegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 2): Rumors of the future: FRA on US/LH. NRT (unlikely IMO; PHX is mostly white people / Hispanic).
...you know it's funny - white people and hispanics from PHX fly to places where there are not so many white and/or hispanic people (usually for business - since whites and hispanics wouldn't be caught dead visiting non-white/hispanic places for pleasure)
Turns out all of those japanese kids going home to visit their japanese grandmothers for thanksgiving aren't what create the big profits for US-Japan flights. PHX's position as a US hub is likely what will draw additional intl service - or at least be a big selling point. Meaning that there could be non-white/non-hispanic (more white/hispanic) people from cities other than PHX who would be on these flights.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2019 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 9): Eventually It would make sense for US to fly PHX-GUA/SAL (or TA). Specially since TA is getting close to Star buddy UA.
US Airways can't even get PHX-SJO to perform properly, let alone PHX-GUA/SAL.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1960 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12): US Airways can't even get PHX-SJO to perform properly, let alone PHX-GUA/SAL.
It's because the schedule, bad hub timing or because the type of market SJO is? If it's so bad why doesn't change to PHX-LIR?
Be sure that if US would fly to GUA and SAL, they wouldn't have to deal with leisure travelers as SJO but with lots of O/D VFR traffic.
MMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
For Phoenix to obtain additional long haul International service (Europe/Asia etc.) it needs to be able to generate business class traffic. The O&D business demand isn't here locally, otherwise BA would be running 7 days a week instead of 6. Phoenix has minimal major business HQ's and there isn't much point traveling say SFO-PHX-FRA on US/LH when a nonstop is available SFO-FRA (just one example). A full Y section just does not pay the bills if J/F are practically empty.
I would love to see more international service at PHX, especially to Europe (personal needs bias!) but I don't see it happening very soon. As a comparison PDX is a smaller market in terms of population, closer to an already major long haul "hub" (SEA) and yet still has flights to FRA, AMS (soon) NRT and various Mexico/Canada destinations. PDX has the business demand.
I hope that one day PHX can attract more international service but we may have to wait a while
Thegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1623 times:
Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 14): The O&D business demand isn't here locally, otherwise BA would be running 7 days a week instead of 6.
One word: HUB. PHX isn't a strong INTL destination on its own - that's always been a given. US Airways makes the situation a different story. PHX isn't going to be the intl destination PHL is, but anyone west or south of PHL flying to the orient or south america, would probably much rather make a connection in PHX than in PHL. Actually, given PHL's delay rate, just about anybody who's flown through PHL regularly would probably rather connect through PHX...
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 7): Could AF's A332s even fly into PHX with the range and heat factors in consideration?
Yes.
Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 15): but anyone west or south of PHL flying to the orient or south america, would probably much rather make a connection in PHX than in PHL.
...why on earth would anyone from just about anywhere in the country (other than the far SouthWest itself) want to connect to S.America via PHX instead of PHL/CLT?
Flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1487 times:
I wish AC would codeshare with US on the YEG-YYC-YVR to PHX and LAS routes. Would open PHX to a lot more Canadian traffic. I guess WJ has good connection for Canadains.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7450 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1408 times:
Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 11):
...you know it's funny - white people and hispanics from PHX fly to places where there are not so many white and/or hispanic people (usually for business - since whites and hispanics wouldn't be caught dead visiting non-white/hispanic places for pleasure)
Thanks for the lesson. I think you are right to some extent. However, look at what we have at PHX. Europe, a lot of Mexico flights, and zero Asian flights.
Geography explains the lack of Asia flights. But so, too, does demographics. Demographics can be oversold, and maybe I was doing that. But it can't be ignored entirely. PHX is plenty big enough for a Tokyo flight. Why don't they have one? SEA, SFO and the fact that there really is no Asian affinity, business or pleasure-wise, in the PHX area.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1315 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 18): Geography explains the lack of Asia flights. But so, too, does demographics. Demographics can be oversold, and maybe I was doing that. But it can't be ignored entirely. PHX is plenty big enough for a Tokyo flight. Why don't they have one? SEA, SFO and the fact that there really is no Asian affinity, business or pleasure-wise, in the PHX area.
...taken a look at your neighbor to the N.W. lately?
LAS has barely a third of PHX's population, and similar demographics-- yet has several Asian flights/carriers making calls. It's all about business and yield. For the majority of intercons, particularly by non state-owned carriers, ethnic demographics are rather far down the list.
Thegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1080 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16): ...why on earth would anyone from just about anywhere in the country (other than the far SouthWest itself) want to connect to S.America via PHX instead of PHL/CLT?
Because connecting through PHL SUCKS. I don't want to pick on PHL, I actually like the city (at least as it's developed into), but PHL isn't exactly the happiest place on earth to make a connection. My point is, unless you are north of PHL or on the coast (not so out of the way), why would you fly out of the way to connect at PHL over PHX?
Quoting Flighty (Reply 18): Demographics can be oversold, and maybe I was doing that. But it can't be ignored entirely. PHX is plenty big enough for a Tokyo flight. Why don't they have one? SEA, SFO and the fact that there really is no Asian affinity, business or pleasure-wise, in the PHX area.
How many people connect at LAX/SFO/SEA to get to asia? See ConcordeBoy's comment below...
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
...taken a look at your neighbor to the N.W. lately?
LAS has barely a third of PHX's population, and similar demographics-- yet has several Asian flights/carriers making calls. It's all about business and yield. For the majority of intercons, particularly by non state-owned carriers, ethnic demographics are rather far down the list.
WA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1063 times:
Regardless of which airline is first (LH or US), PHX is yet to see the A330.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1061 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19): LAS has barely a third of PHX's population, and similar demographics-- yet has several Asian flights/carriers making calls.
Several? They have PAL flights via Vancouver (that market more to Vegas' large Filipino community than anything else) and three non-stops a week to Seoul.
JAL, Northwest Airlines, and Singapore Airlines can tell you what a great market Vegas-Asia is.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7450 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1022 times:
Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 20): How many people connect at LAX/SFO/SEA to get to asia?
SFO? Lots. LAX? Lots. Together, they serve the entire PHX to Asia market, I would imagine. SEA, not much yet, but it is gathering Asia flights over time.
PHX is well served to Asia. If you boys think PHX should have 5 Asian flights, good for you... maybe start your own airline and serve it? Tell us how it goes?
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
25 Vega: So you feel that one should be willing to spend an extra 2800 round trip nms inlight to RIO from STL via PHX just to avoid PHL airport? And that disp
26 Thegooddoctor: Huh. I think we were all thinking 1-2 destinations over time. Add the O/D traffic from PHX (not arguing for big numbers here guys...) to the connecti
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