Mbj-11 From Jamaica, joined Aug 2000, 386 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6263 times:
Add to that a new JM board is on the horizon and I understand that some big names could be back or in the wings.Also look for Vernamfield (unknown to most here on A.net) in the centre of Jamaica with a runway longer than either current internationals could be in the works for business by mid 08. If the investors hold true.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6261 times:
Quoting Mbj-11 (Reply 3): Also look for Vernamfield (unknown to most here on A.net) in the centre of Jamaica with a runway longer than either current internationals could be in the works for business by mid 08. If the investors hold true.
Wll, with a 4 lane motorway linking Vernamfield and Kingston, a new KIN airport there could make sense. Specially since the piece of land where KIN is located now could be so valuable as premium property, but that airport road should be widen ASAP. Those Kingston views from the airport and Port Royal are awesome.
By the way, does Vernamfield Aerodrome have an IATA or OACI airport code?
Mbj-11 From Jamaica, joined Aug 2000, 386 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6182 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4): By the way, does Vernamfield Aerodrome have an IATA or OACI airport code?
I know there are no IATA code for Vernamfield, the other I couldn't say. What I can tell you is that the fear was that if it is re-opened as a major airport, Norman Manley Intl in KGN could suffer. It is now being talked about as a maintenance area for JM and potentially other carriers due to its lengthy runway and landspace. Again........it was the largest airport in Jamaica, used by the US to service WWII bombers and also for launching points in clandestine missions. But there is nothing for it, although there is a code for a barely used strip in Mandeville which is in another parish.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3192 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6182 times:
Vernamfield? In which parish is that? I remember that Mandeville has an airfield that used to have scheduled services but has of late been bypassed in favour of the fields at Ken Jones (Port Antonio), Negril and Boscobel (Ocho Rios). Is it really worthwhile to open a 3rd international airport in Jamaica? KIN is in a somewhat space-limited location but it has worked well - apart from when there are the occasional riots in the East Kingston area, then the road to it gets blocked and the airport is stifled. In an interesting parallel the Waller AFB in Trinidad had been earmarked for redevelopment for many years and in many different forms but as yet nothing has come of it apart from a car racing circuit and a Regiment base (which sporadically uses one of the runways).
It would be a shame to lose KIN, the approach to it is spectacular!
So TB has been reabsorbed by BW - virtually taking us back to where we were in 2000 when BW of the time was forced to take over the domestic route after C2 folded. It felt unable to manage the route alongside its international ops - remember that at that time its Dash 8's flew an extensive regional network under the brand Bwee Express - and so TB was formed with Tobago business interests, at least 1 of whom was not very happy about surrendering control of the service to BW again. I wish BW well on the service - with 19 daily flights each way this is the busiest route in the Caribbean and yet a route of criitical importance to Trinidad and, more crucially, Tobago.
Is JM thus going to stay the course in LHR and thus keep the sunny Caribbean represented in the world's busiest international airport? Again, though, if this requires Government financial help to enable it to do so one is left wondering about the route's viability - airlines these days are more about profits and losses and less about prestige.
Mbj-11 From Jamaica, joined Aug 2000, 386 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6181 times:
Vernamfield is located in the Parish of Clarendon. That part of Jamaica where the Vere plain is located, is very very flat. (Possibly that's why so many good sprinters are produced by Vere Technical High).
As for potential persons to take over the board.........I have been privy to information that one Mrs. Shirley Williams is being looked at to take over the reigns. She previously was at the MPM , the body responsible for street cleaning etc and did a heck of a job, got rid of dead wood etc. She is said to be in the front running as many in JM's top brass had gotten their posts based on genetic links to the previous govt. (yuck) and were leeches feeding off the airline. Like many other boards of agencies in JA, under the previous admin, genetics and friendships played alot in appointments, hence the review of the sale of the LHR slot.
Many management staff at JM are worried as this govt has disbanded many boards and have uncovered irregularities which obtained.God's willing they are able to check even DNA of management and rid the airline of cronyism etc.
Off thread...........the new PM has also undertaken the issue of retired PM's pension payment. The previous admin on the retirement of the out going PJ Patterson (crook) increased the salary of retired PM's to that of current PM's and equal benefits for spouses, kids, widows etc. This one has pledged to reduce it to 2/3rd of the current pay with perks under review as well. With the no nonsense attitude of this new PM, who knows, JM may finally stand on its own three gears. LOL
Bw415 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6184 times:
Not to detract from the discussion on Jamaica ,which I must say I am enjoying, I recently posted three new vids on youtube... one is a LIAT landing in BGI.. and the other two are takeoff and landing in SXM. Feel free to check out my other videos if you like.
Does this mean we'll see a B6 A320 swooping over Maho Bay in early 2008? I think if anyone that can compete with AA on this route; JFK-SXM, B6 is equipped to do it given their popularity amongst the 20-30-something crowd.
I think that by doing JFK-POP, they can also attract the spring break college crowd to that part of the D.R. and the region as a whole. Many will find a good deal in POP, even though the Canadians discovered it long before.
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That is a hop skip and a jump for the A320 besides those pax will only be carrying a tiny bag containing their bare necessities cause if not at the end of the runway getting their rush they will be on a beach some where.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5981 times:
Quoting Captaink (Reply 16): Is that a longer flight than lets say, JFK/GND? hehe JFK/SXM is quite within the normal operation range of an A320 or any of the A32X aircraft for that matter. (not 100% sure of the 318)
My point exactly. I thaught MD90fan would know this or maybe he means something else?
JFK-PSE --1,617mi--A320-- 6,904ft. runway at Mercedita Airport.
JFK-SXM-- 1,681mi--A320-- 7,152ft. runway at Princess Juliana Airport.
PSE is mostly VFR with people bringing everything AND the kitchen sink, flights are consistently FULL. No fuel stops, EVER.
SXM will be mostly tourists... that is, if we even get any now! Since B6 announced SXM, everyone is screaming it won't work
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 14): Yeah, Canadians, Europeans and Venezuelans. Americans can care less about the North Coast.
I'm sure the route planning department knew what they were doing when they selected POP. We do very well to the D.R. and I'm sure POP will not be an exception. Continental flies the route and I'm sure does just fine. 150 more seats and another option for travelers isn't a bad thing.
MD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5905 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 15): Why shouldn't an A320 make JFK-SXM nonstop?
I just pullin ya leg
Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 21): I'm sure the route planning department knew what they were doing when they selected POP. We do very well to the D.R. and I'm sure POP will not be an exception. Continental flies the route and I'm sure does just fine.
If AA couldn't make JFK-POP work with connections from Europe, strong ties and brand recognition in the Dominican community here and there (check out the office in Washington Heights), what makes you think B6 can? Heck, even Delta is doing horrendous on ATL-POP!
POP did horrible ex.JFK and will today. CO makes it work because they have a big hub there and a strong name.
Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 21): 150 more seats and another option for travelers isn't a bad thing.
No denying that, but 150 more seats when there is hardly any travellers is a bad idea.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5879 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 22): POP did horrible ex.JFK and will today. CO makes it work because they have a big hub there and a strong name.
Let's not forget JetBlue is a low cost airline with a totally different strategy that is not based on having an international hub to feed their flight. JetBlue, like all other low cost airlines, focus on a different market, the low cost market. Low cost airlines are gaining ground here in the Caribbean and I have a feeling they will become bigger here in our region.
I'm not saying JetBlue will be succesful but the fact that other airlines have not performed well on a route doesn't mean another airline, in this case JetBlue, will also perform bad. For all we know JetBlue might even do a good job. It is too early to tell now.