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VivaAerobus New Focus City: Austin -Spring08  
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2759 times:

"vivaAerobus is expected to commence operations to Austin, Texas by Spring 2008, pending the completion of a new, low cost terminal. The carrier changed its original start date in Nov-07 to Spring so that it may launch its services out of the new terminal rather than provide interim service from Austin-Bergstroms main terminal..."

"Cancun, Guadalajara, León, Monterrey, Puebla, and Queretaro are new scheduled destinations from Austin that vivaAerobus has applied for US DOT authority to operate."


http://peanuts.aero/low_cost_airline...ontent&task=view&id=5178&Itemid=59


Saludos desde Monterrey,
Luis

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):

Austin is a good market for Cancun, GDL, and MTY. But Leon, Puebla and Queretaro, humm I just don't know.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

I'll be flying Viva later this year (MTY-CJS).

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
But Leon, Puebla...humm I just don't know.

Puebla has a metro pop of 2.1m and is only about 110kms from Mexico City.

Leon is Mexico's fifth-largest city, with a metro of 1.5m.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

This is actually a delay from the original plan of service to begin later next month due to logistics behind the development of the ULCC terminal in AUS. In other words, VivaAerobus will not be using the main Barbara Jordan terminal that all the other airlines will use. A very bare bones facility is planned for development by GE Aviation to be accessible from the south end of the field.

Should be interesting to see how it turns out. Certainly Skybus has their eyes set on these developments as well.

-Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

This plan is overly ambitous for a market that has little no sucess with scheduled Mexico services. It will probably be very short-lived. But to Austin's credit, they have an airport that can get things done apparently.

Seventy five miles down the road, San Antonio, a city that has had continuous service from Mexicana for 50 years, and has established need for VFR air services to Mexico (not necessarily the entire market this venture is chasing) might have been a better choice for this operation. However, the city has been 'dicking around' for almost seven years expanding its terminal facilties. A new terminal might come on line in 2009 and than will likely be undersized for the needs of the servicing air carriers.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Well, Viva is holding their take-off a bit due to some fleet shortage and other issues going on at the moment... but sure Viva will have a total success landing at AUS from all points except BJX.

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 4):
This plan is overly ambitious for a market that has little no success with scheduled Mexico services. It will probably be very short-lived. But to Austin's credit, they have an airport that can get things done apparently.

Hi ModernArt! Mexico's aviation is growing at a 15%-20% rate every month wherea's Viva's is growing in a 30% each month. Three months ago they average 94 passengers from the 130... they must be averaging 120 pax per flight in their WHOLE system.

Viva's is having and making a WN effect.

g77



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 5):
Hi ModernArt! Mexico's aviation is growing at a 15%-20% rate every month wherea's Viva's is growing in a 30% each month. Three months ago they average 94 passengers from the 130... they must be averaging 120 pax per flight in their WHOLE system.

Really good news Ghost. let's hope it satys that way.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
Puebla has a metro pop of 2.1m and is only about 110kms from Mexico City.

Leon is Mexico's fifth-largest city, with a metro of 1.5m.

Yes, but from Austin?? I really hope this works.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
Cancun, GDL, and MTY. But Leon, Puebla and Queretaro, humm I just don't know

CUN is clearly a sign that there is sufficient demand for low- to mid-priced fares for leisure travelers from Austin and AUS' catchment area. I think vivaAerobus should do fine.

As for GDL, BJX, PBC and QRO, I think the main focus here is ethnic travel, with a little bit of shoppers and businessmen thrown into the mix too. Would you guys agree with me? Querétaro is booming, so this could be a promising new route.

MTY is probably being launched in order to cater to the middle- and upper-class Regios who like to do their shopping in Texas; if I am not mistaken, Austin has a brand new high-end shopping center... if you add this to the close location of San Marcos, many Regios will be happy to have this flight.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
Puebla has a metro pop of 2.1m and is only about 110kms from Mexico City.

True. But I think the merits of Puebla are limited to the size of its population and the fact that many Mexican-Americans have their roots in the state of Puebla... the PBC airport is not very accessible from most of Mexico City. For the majority of DFeños and the people from the suburbs (save the eastern suburbs), in order to get to the highway to Puebla you need to drive near MEX.

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 4):
However, the city has been 'dicking around' for almost seven years expanding its terminal facilties. A new terminal might come on line in 2009 and than will likely be undersized for the needs of the servicing air carriers.

I saw at SAT 2 weeks ago several posters of what the airport will look like once the construction of the new terminal is completed. These same posters show that an expansion of the new terminal is planned whenever traffic demands such expansion. I also saw some construction going on outside T1, so I think the works are underway now, isn't it?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17369 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
As for GDL, BJX, PBC and QRO, I think the main focus here is ethnic travel,

Yeah but...

Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
Yes, but from Austin??

There are Mexicans from Del Rio to Barrow Alaska but Austin isn't one of the bigger origins/destinations for ethnic travel.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Austin isn't one of the bigger origins/destinations for ethnic travel.

Agree, but if the price is right, viva at AUS can steal a lot of passengers from MX at SAT. These guys will take buses or drive all the way to AUS if it is cheaper than flying ex-SAT with MX... so consider that not just the Austin metro area is the target market, but the combined metro areas of SAT and AUS, plus some nearby regions... I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of Mexican-Americans in the area.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of Mexican-Americans in the area.

Probably closer to 1.5 million or more.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
I also saw some construction going on outside T1, so I think the works are underway now, isn't it?

The SAT parking garage is mostly done. Work has started on the elevated terminal roadways as well site prep work for the new 8-gate terminal. SA went through a city manager change as well as an airport director over the last few years slowing this project substantially.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
MTY is probably being launched in order to cater to the middle

What happened to the rumor of MX re-starting SAT-MTY?


User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 10):

The SAT parking garage is mostly done. Work has started on the elevated terminal roadways as well site prep work for the new 8-gate terminal. SA went through a city manager change as well as an airport director over the last few years slowing this project substantially.

There is also a third runway going in. M7 and Wright Flyers are going to be moved to the approach end of 12L.



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 10):
What happened to the rumor of MX re-starting SAT-MTY?

First days of december, with MX and probably later with QA, departing MTY-SAT early morning, returning (arriving) almost at midnight at MTY.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
As for GDL, BJX, PBC and QRO, I think the main focus here is ethnic travel, with a little bit of shoppers and businessmen thrown into the mix too. Would you guys agree with me? Querétaro is booming, so this could be a promising new route.

BJX focuses on California and ORD, also QRO, PBC not too much, but mainly as you say, the idea is the shoppers, specially regios.

Saludos



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 12):
First days of december, with MX and probably later with QA, departing MTY-SAT early morning, returning (arriving) almost at midnight at MTY.

Logan did I understand right? Will the plane spend almost 12 hours idle in SAT?

Saludos desde Monterrey,
Luis


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24900 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

This could be interesting as I hear LAWA is in talks with a Mexican carrier to build an operation at ONT and Viva Aerobus has previously stated it would focus on border states specifically Texas and California.

Anyhow, good luck to them. Nice to see Mexican LCCs grow across the border.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11466 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Anyone back in AUS know what gate they'll be using? I assume 2, the international arrivals-equipped gate, but I thought I remember hearing that XJet and/or Frontier and/or Midwest was using that gate, too.

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 4):
This plan is overly ambitous for a market that has little no sucess with scheduled Mexico services.

Agreed - this is way too much service.

I could definitely see 2-3x weekly CUN, probably maybe 2-3x weekly GDL, and maybe even a 5x/week-daily flight to MEX, but not much more than that.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
Anyone back in AUS know what gate they'll be using?

No, they won't even be in that terminal.

These flights are contingent upon the construction of a ULCC terminal at the sound end of the field near the GA facilities. Here's a copy of the Statesman article posted to Viva Aerobus's website (pdf) with the most basic description.

-Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6533 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

F9 did terrible on AUS-CUN. Some flights went out with single digit passenger counts. How will this one be any different?

User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 13):
Logan did I understand right? Will the plane spend almost 12 hours idle in SAT?

Nope, it wont, the flight will depart MTY early morning to SAT, then will go to other place, not so sure right now, maybe MEX, or other destination, later will return to SAT, and back to MTY, the plane will sleep in MTY.

Saludos



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineTCFC424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

F9's CUN return was at 3 am....a little inconvenient....

User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
Austin is a good market for Cancun



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 17):
F9 did terrible on AUS-CUN. Some flights went out with single digit passenger counts. How will this one be any different?



Quoting TCFC424 (Reply 19):
F9's CUN return was at 3 am....a little inconvenient....

Right. The OAG's I have showed F9's arrival around 22:00, I've not seen where they ever had this arrival time (03:00) but it may have happened. Aerocaribe also tried this route and couldn't make it work. I love Austin and would love to see the airport grow, but I think some of this service will never actually get off the ground, or if it does, may not last very long.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

NEWS... VIVA just reached its passenger 1M only after 10 months of operations. What a milestone for VIVA... and only with 5 frames... of course, they have sub-leased from other airlines but they're making big economies of scale!

If they haven't started AUS it has been due to aircraft shortage, but 6 more frames are on their way.... if all have failed, I'm sure pretty much Viva won't fail.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 21):
NEWS... VIVA just reached its passenger 1M only after 10 months of operations

Congratulations to VIVA. For those kind of numbers their load factor must be high.


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