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CO/CommutAir FWA-CLE Goes Q200 On Valentine's Day!  
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Looks like FWA is finally getting some Q200 love this coming Valentine's Day!  hearts 

I checked the Continental website, and FWA-CLE is starting the switch from the B1900 to the Q200 on 2/14/08. That day, CommutAir will be switching to a 4x daily schedule on weekdays... until March 1st, 3 of the 4 weekday flights will be on Q200s. (Saturdays will be 2x Q200s and Sundays will be 1x B1900 and 2x Q200s.) From March 3rd onward, CommutAir B1900s will be gone from FWA, period... all flights will be Q200s.

Any other CO Connection/CommutAir Q200 plans? When the B1900s leave the CLE base, will they still be used on CommutAir's EAS/Upstate NY services?


"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2345 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

As far as I know all the B1900's are on the road out. BigSky is buying a bunch of em from what Ive heard and seen so far. My friend who was a B1900 Captain (now Q200) is my source on that. Whether thats crew room scuttlebutt or actually VP OPS news, who knows.

ATCT



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 1):
As far as I know all the B1900's are on the road out.

Last I heard, the BE1900s will be gone by June...then again, this is CO, who once boasted "All jet service out of CLE," only to bring the turboprops back.

The Q400s will be flying out of CLE starting in January.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 2):
Last I heard, the BE1900s will be gone by June..

Last I heard they were looking at bringing Gulfstream in to fly 1900s. CLE just can't get rid of them!!



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
Last I heard they were looking at bringing Gulfstream in to fly 1900s. CLE just can't get rid of them!!

Maybe Gulfstream will open some new EAS routes out of CLE? After all, that might fit into CO's expansion plans for the hub.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
Last I heard they were looking at bringing Gulfstream in to fly 1900s. CLE just can't get rid of them!!

So this will be the second reincarnation of those damn things!


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

We at PIT are 4x Q200s and 3x on the weekends. I miss those Beeches; they were fun  Sad


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
From March 3rd onward, CommutAir B1900s will be gone from FWA, period... all flights will be Q200s.

They will be Dash 8-200's as they have no 'Q' Models. The whole 'Q' thing is just a marketing ploy from Bombardier as the only REAL-True 'Q' model is the -400.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3001 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
They will be Dash 8-200's as they have no 'Q' Models. The whole 'Q' thing is just a marketing ploy from Bombardier as the only REAL-True 'Q' model is the -400.

So, you are saying that there are no noise suppression technologies in the Q200 series?? They merely tacked a "Q" on the the -200 as a marketing tool?

Quoting N231YE (Reply 5):
Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
Last I heard they were looking at bringing Gulfstream in to fly 1900s. CLE just can't get rid of them!!

So this will be the second reincarnation of those damn things!

If that's true, then it would be the THIRD coming of the 1900D's. Don't forget, COEX had them here before anyone else did. But then, I guess you did say second REINCARNATION, so maybe that's what you meant!

[Edited 2007-10-13 08:47:52]

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2994 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 8):
So, you are saying that there are no noise suppression technologies in the Q200 series?? They merely tacked a "Q" on the the -200 as a marketing tool?

IIRC, the Q200 is a DHC-8-200 with the NVS (noise/vibration suppression) system and upgraded interior found in the Q400. So it's not a marketing tool.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2990 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
IIRC, the Q200 is a DHC-8-200 with the NVS (noise/vibration suppression) system and upgraded interior found in the Q400. So it's not a marketing tool.

That was my belief as well, and Bombardiers website would seem to prove it.

As for Q400's in CLE, we've got two gates set up on the D concourse to accommodate them.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 8):
So, you are saying that there are no noise suppression technologies in the Q200 series??



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
The Q200 is a DHC-8-200 with the NVS (noise/vibration suppression) system and upgraded interior found in the Q400. So it's not a marketing tool

Yes, I know what the 'Q' Series is and it is VERY rare on the -200. It was an option on the -300, and standard on the -400. I don't think the planes they are flying are new enough to have it. Only the very newest -200's have it.....

[Edited 2007-10-13 09:21:26]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

All the Commutair Dashes have come over from Horizon, and I believe them to be the true Q series. They are also equipped with HUD's...another rarity in Dashes.

(The add images feature isn't working for me, so) here is a link to a Dash 8 HUD on another site:

http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2964


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 12):
They are also equipped with HUD's...another rarity in Dashes.

Will they be trained and allowed to use it..? It's a sweet system and useful for those foggy days in the northeast.

Chances are that since these came from Horizon they are indeed real 'Q' as Horizon had a very new fleet. Best I can figure out the real 'Qs' came on-line in 1999-2000, which is the right window for these aircraft. But, as I was trying to say.... not all Dash-8's are 'Qs'... only the very newest



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

As far as I know, they are being trained to use it...I'll ask after my vacation is over.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):
But, as I was trying to say.... not all Dash-8's are 'Qs'... only the very newest

That's cool. All frogs are amphibians but not all amphibians are frogs! I knew that too.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 2):

Were will the Q400 fly from CLE?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2345 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
Were will the Q400 fly from CLE?

Its gonna replace the 2x 735's on the CLE-IAH run.... j/k :P


ATCT
(I wish we'll seem em down here in IAH in the next few years...nothing against saabs)



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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5598 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2719 times:

Are the Q400's going to have an F class? If so, where? F has traditionally been in the quieter rear of prop planes, but a rear location would upset lots of current airport arrangements supporting F in the front.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

I don't see the DH4 having F class with CO. No room for comfy seating.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
Were will the Q400 fly from CLE?

Not entirely sure, but I remember hearing talk of CLE-EWR flights with them.


User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 792 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 19):

Not entirely sure, but I remember hearing talk of CLE-EWR flights with them.

Not gonna happen. The scope clause in the pilot contract requires all inter-hub (CLE/EWR/IAH) flying to be done on mainline jets.

[Edited 2007-10-14 18:35:22]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 2):
The Q400s will be flying out of CLE starting in January.

Any news on what routes?

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 10):
As for Q400's in CLE, we've got two gates set up on the D concourse to accommodate them.

Which gates, Chuck? Fill me in, oh Photo God of the Tower!

Quoting ATCT (Reply 16):
Its gonna replace the 2x 735's on the CLE-IAH run.... j/k :P

Don't give them any ideas like that! Big grin

Quoting DualQual (Reply 20):
Quoting N231YE (Reply 19):

Not entirely sure, but I remember hearing talk of CLE-EWR flights with them.

Not gonna happen. I believe the scope clause requires all hub to hub flights be mainline.

Scope clause iis only between CO/XJT. One reason I know that is that XJT can't show any thru flights between the hubs. And we've had a lot of same flight numbers on XJT go like CLE-GSP-IAH. Never could sell them like that. RP does show flights in availibility as one-stop service to IAH.

But I can't imagine EWR being one of those routes. I COULD see LGA going from a 37 or 50 seat RJ to a 74-seat Q400. I think you'll see markets like STL, BDL, MHT, BTV, PWM, ALB getting the Q400.


User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 792 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Scope clause iis only between CO/XJT.

You sure about that? I just read POS '02 and it says "express carriers". I took that to imply anyone operating under the CO Express banner. That said it seems that everything in this contract that says will not contains and equal and opposite escape clause for the company.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4047 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
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we would never operate a CLE-EWR flight with a prop plane or an RJ. We value our first class customers way to much to do such a thing.


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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

I wish I could say the same for Delta. They use the ERJ on JFK-ATL!


What now?
25 N231YE : Other than the talk (rumors) of CLE-EWR with the Q400s, I haven't heard of anything.
26 STT757 : The first 15 Q-400s are for EWR, replacing ERJs which will help launch CLE's expansion.
27 Rampkontroler : Heh heh...I'm not sure, I've been off for a week, but it was D-08 and D-09...somewhere around there. I'll let you know in a couple days when I get ba
28 Post contains images Falcon84 : Ok, thanks buddy. By the way, I'm in the middle of being off for TWO WEEKS, so I got you beat.
29 N231YE : Maybe that is where EWR is coming in to play...might just be confusion on my part. I thought that there were 3 gates going to be for the Q400? I thin
30 STT757 : CO has 15 firm , 15 options and 15 purchase rights for Q-400s. CO announced the first 15 are for EWR, to replace ERJs on heavily traveled routes of le
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