John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1366 posts, RR: 6 Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4030 times:
Curious to know if any airline customers plan on using some of their A380s in an 800 seat layout, for instance? Japan and China, perhaps? It seems most airlines are opting for around 450-475 passengers on average, mixed class.
Can you imagine boarding a flight with 800 passengers on it? It's late inbound and you have to turn it quick, otherwise you'll have 500 misconnects!
Both NH and JL won´t buy the A380 ( for now at least) so we won´t see that. There were some plans that EK might have something like a LCC product with some all Eco A380´s with up to 700-800 seats but I have not read anything in the last year about it.
Quoting John (Thread starter): It's late inbound and you have to turn it quick, otherwise you'll have 500 misconnects!
And this will be the day I quit the aviation business!
CXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2702 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
However, there are rumours that the parent group of Aerolineas Argentinas (can't remember the name) have brought 4. 2 to go to Aerolineas Argentinas and 2 to go to the lcc division (air comet I believe).
So there could become the first high-density planes.
Also, EK are doing a 2-class version which has over 600 seats.
John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1366 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3762 times:
Would the A380 be profitable on short haul high density domestic routes, such as what ANA and JAL do with their 747-D fleets? Don't they pack about 550 seats onto those 744s?
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3577 times:
Quoting John (Reply 3): Would the A380 be profitable on short haul high density domestic routes, such as what ANA and JAL do with their 747-D fleets? Don't they pack about 550 seats onto those 744s?
That might be a tough call. A lot of domestic airports probably aren't sized for the A380 and I haven't seen anything from Airbus to suggest they've done anything to support a low cycle ratio (average hours per cycle). You'd probably end up running out of cycles on the airframe long before hours, which could skew the maintenance and capital cost out of favour.
EGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 503 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2): However, there are rumours that the parent group of Aerolineas Argentinas (can't remember the name) have brought 4.
This isn't a rumour, it's confirmed. Grupo Marsans purchased 4 A380s as part of a 61 aircraft order on Thursday. Airbus press release
The highest seating figure mentioned by an A380 operator so far has been circa 630 that Emirates plans on its two-class A380s. Still some way from the max certified load of 853 passengers (plus 20 crew as well).
Jbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3446 times:
I don't know if it has been discussed much but there are a few cases where the max capacity layout can be of great use.
- emergency evacuations. there have been a few major evacations where there have been people cramnmed on to 747s (seen some threads on here about it). 800 seats, fill the ailes, in effect no baggage. A few in this setup could do a great job.
- i cant remember the name, but isnt there a religious gathering in the middle east somewhere, pilgramige to Mecca?, where they have masses of masses of people there, transport to/from this event could be another good use.
First thing in running these type of flights as normal service is making sure the airports served have the capacity to handle all those people. The idea of cramming close to 800 people into a departure area for a period of time is rather frightening. I'm sure they will figure out ways to do it, but organization is desperately needed .
Hopefully the LCCs will be encouraging people to not bring checked luggage...imagine the line for that...aye aye aye.
HawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 401 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3426 times:
If your able to treat the A380 as 2 aircraft (upper deck and lower deck) and have 2 lounges to board upper and lower deck then the A380 will board as quick as a 777.
JJeff From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3387 times:
Quoting Jbernie (Reply 7): - i cant remember the name, but isnt there a religious gathering in the middle east somewhere, pilgramige to Mecca?, where they have masses of masses of people there, transport to/from this event could be another good use.
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