Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4552 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8085 times:
I don't think the A332's and A333's will be going anywhere for a LONG time. You will see the A330's and 787's living together in harmony for many years. Some 787's will serve the super long haul routes and some will serve the long haul routes between smaller than traditional city pairs.
DL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7959 times:
In the beginning the 787s will be used for expansion, but after a while they will replace the A330s, but NW could keep the A330s for a very long time! The A330s are still very new, and NW is one of the first to get the 787s.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2511 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7492 times:
Maybe they'll use some of the A330's on routes now flown by 753's? They could be planning for those routes to grow in pax count and the 330's could work nicely - especially on some mainland to Hawaii runs. Just a thought......
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7387 times:
The 787 is NOT intended as an A330 replacement, NW's A330 fleet is very very new and will be with the airline for many years to come.
The 787's primary mission will be new longer range routes, probably primarily across the Pacific, that will by-pass NW's DTW/MSP and NRT hubs and/or will open services from DTW and MSP to new Asian destinations. Think routes such DTW-HKG, SEA-PEK (once authorities are available), the re-launch of JFK-NRT and MSP-Osaka....as random examples. The 787s will allow the fragmentation of the existing transpacific market and opening of many new Asian routes.
The key question is whether NW will continue to need a 747-sized airplane in its fleet after the new routes are introduced? Time will tell, but do expect major changes in the routes flown by NW across the Pacific and the airplanes assigned to such routes; the 787 will be a game changer in this respect. Just as when any new type is introduced into revenue service, expect lots of changes in aircraft allocations throughout the NW system.....but I would not be surprised to see the A330 fleet being more dedicated to transatlantic operations (both A332s and A333s, with some A332s operating on to-be-launched routes across the Atlantic) and select Mainland-Hawaii services, while the new 787s will focus on NW's transpacific network.
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7341 times:
It would be very cool to see Northwest with 68 total 787s. Such a modern and efficient fleet. They'll probably keep the A330s flying as long as possible on the shorter routes as long as the demand is there, or maybe they can sell them to generate cash for the future 787 purchases.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7163 times:
Could definitely see the A330/787 (as well as the A350/787) option become just as (if nor more) popular than the A330/777 option before it. Wonder who'll be the first carrier to have all three concurrently? EK?
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 18):
Its not a question of if an Air France 773 will be at MSP, its just a question of when.
long as you keep in mind that "never" and "only on diversion" are quite possibly the answer to that question
Max999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6866 times:
I think a more appropriate question to ask would be what new European routes will NW launch with the A330s once the 787's arrive. As many have stated above, the 787s will serve the Pacific so it'll push a number of A330s out to the Atlantic.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6827 times:
It'd be interesting to see if they use an Atlantic-bound A330s to open new routes from their American hubs (likely), or whether they'd have sufficient feed on the Euro end to open nonhubs up to service to AMS (not as likely, but certainly the extension of a paradigm shift!)
The USA carriers have (or plan to) link(ed) nearly every decently populated area within 3500mi of New York, with a nonstop intercon option; but the Euro carriers have been unable to respond, mostly due to EQP issues. Be interesting to see if NW takes that a step further, as they've begun with BDL.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6728 times:
The 787 was purchased for its range. It can fly to Asia in a way that the A330 cannot (the longest A330 route right now is SFO-NRT). They will work together and serve different missions. The A330 will continue to support the AMS and NRT hubs, while the 787 will open up new destinations that are further from the US mainland.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7572 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6710 times:
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 12): why would mexicana want or need 18 787,s Most of their routes now could be serviced with a 737 or 757 at the most but an a 330????
I think he meant A330s. It has been long speculated that MX wants some A330s in order to replace its long haul fleet composed of 2 oldish 763ERs. This would allow MX to add more long haul destinations (currently their only one is EZE) such as GRU and SCL. MX might also want to send widebody planes to JFK and LAX, and maybe to YYZ. I am not sure whether the A332 would be able to fly to Europe from MEX during the summer with a full payload, or if it could make it from TIJ to the Far East... there has also been talk that MX could go for A345s.
But back to NW:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14): The 787 is NOT intended as an A330 replacement, NW's A330 fleet is very very new and will be with the airline for many years to come.
I think this sums it up pretty well. Do not expect NW to do anything with its A330s other than continue operating them. They are fine aircraft, quite new, and very suitable for many of the routes that NW operates. The two fleets will coexist for many years.
I really would love to fly the NW A330 trans-oceanic. I have heard very good things about NW long-haul (I have only done MEX-DTW-LGA and EWR-DTW-MEX).