Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4617 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8589 times:
I don't think the A332's and A333's will be going anywhere for a LONG time. You will see the A330's and 787's living together in harmony for many years. Some 787's will serve the super long haul routes and some will serve the long haul routes between smaller than traditional city pairs.
DL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8463 times:
In the beginning the 787s will be used for expansion, but after a while they will replace the A330s, but NW could keep the A330s for a very long time! The A330s are still very new, and NW is one of the first to get the 787s.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7996 times:
Maybe they'll use some of the A330's on routes now flown by 753's? They could be planning for those routes to grow in pax count and the 330's could work nicely - especially on some mainland to Hawaii runs. Just a thought......
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7891 times:
The 787 is NOT intended as an A330 replacement, NW's A330 fleet is very very new and will be with the airline for many years to come.
The 787's primary mission will be new longer range routes, probably primarily across the Pacific, that will by-pass NW's DTW/MSP and NRT hubs and/or will open services from DTW and MSP to new Asian destinations. Think routes such DTW-HKG, SEA-PEK (once authorities are available), the re-launch of JFK-NRT and MSP-Osaka....as random examples. The 787s will allow the fragmentation of the existing transpacific market and opening of many new Asian routes.
The key question is whether NW will continue to need a 747-sized airplane in its fleet after the new routes are introduced? Time will tell, but do expect major changes in the routes flown by NW across the Pacific and the airplanes assigned to such routes; the 787 will be a game changer in this respect. Just as when any new type is introduced into revenue service, expect lots of changes in aircraft allocations throughout the NW system.....but I would not be surprised to see the A330 fleet being more dedicated to transatlantic operations (both A332s and A333s, with some A332s operating on to-be-launched routes across the Atlantic) and select Mainland-Hawaii services, while the new 787s will focus on NW's transpacific network.
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7845 times:
It would be very cool to see Northwest with 68 total 787s. Such a modern and efficient fleet. They'll probably keep the A330s flying as long as possible on the shorter routes as long as the demand is there, or maybe they can sell them to generate cash for the future 787 purchases.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7667 times:
Could definitely see the A330/787 (as well as the A350/787) option become just as (if nor more) popular than the A330/777 option before it. Wonder who'll be the first carrier to have all three concurrently? EK?
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 18):
Its not a question of if an Air France 773 will be at MSP, its just a question of when.
long as you keep in mind that "never" and "only on diversion" are quite possibly the answer to that question
Max999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7370 times:
I think a more appropriate question to ask would be what new European routes will NW launch with the A330s once the 787's arrive. As many have stated above, the 787s will serve the Pacific so it'll push a number of A330s out to the Atlantic.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7331 times:
It'd be interesting to see if they use an Atlantic-bound A330s to open new routes from their American hubs (likely), or whether they'd have sufficient feed on the Euro end to open nonhubs up to service to AMS (not as likely, but certainly the extension of a paradigm shift!)
The USA carriers have (or plan to) link(ed) nearly every decently populated area within 3500mi of New York, with a nonstop intercon option; but the Euro carriers have been unable to respond, mostly due to EQP issues. Be interesting to see if NW takes that a step further, as they've begun with BDL.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7232 times:
The 787 was purchased for its range. It can fly to Asia in a way that the A330 cannot (the longest A330 route right now is SFO-NRT). They will work together and serve different missions. The A330 will continue to support the AMS and NRT hubs, while the 787 will open up new destinations that are further from the US mainland.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7759 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7214 times:
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 12): why would mexicana want or need 18 787,s Most of their routes now could be serviced with a 737 or 757 at the most but an a 330????
I think he meant A330s. It has been long speculated that MX wants some A330s in order to replace its long haul fleet composed of 2 oldish 763ERs. This would allow MX to add more long haul destinations (currently their only one is EZE) such as GRU and SCL. MX might also want to send widebody planes to JFK and LAX, and maybe to YYZ. I am not sure whether the A332 would be able to fly to Europe from MEX during the summer with a full payload, or if it could make it from TIJ to the Far East... there has also been talk that MX could go for A345s.
But back to NW:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14): The 787 is NOT intended as an A330 replacement, NW's A330 fleet is very very new and will be with the airline for many years to come.
I think this sums it up pretty well. Do not expect NW to do anything with its A330s other than continue operating them. They are fine aircraft, quite new, and very suitable for many of the routes that NW operates. The two fleets will coexist for many years.
I really would love to fly the NW A330 trans-oceanic. I have heard very good things about NW long-haul (I have only done MEX-DTW-LGA and EWR-DTW-MEX).
Next flights: MEX-JFK-FCO AM 788/AZ 77E | DBV-BEG-BUD JU AT7/733 | BUD-AMS 738 | AMS-MEX 74M
: Does that mean NW will have 2-4-2 in Y?
: I am sure that NW will continue to use the A330 on its present runs and as the 787W's come on line the A330's will be moved to routes served by the ol
: Its very unlikely that A330s or 787s will be used on routes now flown with the 757......the vast majority of 757 routes are domestic segments that si
: This route is already being planned by HU for next summer, so I doubt we'll see NW flying it with the 787 (though it could happen). That said, this i
: It Would seem that the 787 would fit both roles quite nicely. Agreed that this would not happen for quite a while since most of NW's longhaul fleet a
: Is the 787-8 really that much smaller than the A332?
: Is the 747 here to stay for quite some time?
: Pre-delay, NW was scheduled to get 8 788's in 2008, 4 in 2009, and 6 in 2010. That clearly states these are for expansion and point to point routes as
: I agree. However, that does not mean it was smart. NW gave into the pain. They could not make the D10 last until the 787. Even though, the 787 is the
: Not too sure about that. The 787 is even smaller than the A332s, and on some of the current A332 routes (esp. SEA-NRT), the plane is too small alread
: I was surprised when this was downgraded from a 747 to an A330. I guess the 744's were all spoken for so when they retired the 742's an A330 was the