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What Will Happen To NW A330 When 787 Come  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3623 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8323 times:

When NW get there 787s, what going to happen to there A330s?

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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8323 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):

Probably fly A330s on other routes and maybe start some new routes.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8315 times:

nothing......as the A330s get old the will be replaced by 787s but that will be a long time from now(and a DC-9 will fly the crew back)


yep.
User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8277 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 2):
nothing......as the A330s get old the will be replaced by 787s but that will be a long time from now(and a DC-9 will fly the crew back)

Awesome! Nicely put!



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User currently offlineUcunnn2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8206 times:

they should sell the A330s to MEXICANA
tell them to buy them...they need them


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8158 times:

Quoting Ucunnn2 (Reply 4):
they should sell the A330s to MEXICANA
tell them to buy them...they need them

why? they only have 18 787s on order(with like 50 something options but still) to replace 32 A330s?



yep.
User currently offlineZL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8158 times:

nothing of course. NW will add new routes when they have 787. nothing at all to do with 330s.

User currently offlineKL642 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

My understanding is that the 787 fleet will be trans Pacific and the 330's will be trans Atlantic. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Quoting KL642 (Reply 7):
My understanding is that the 787 fleet will be trans Pacific and the 330's will be trans Atlantic. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

NW hasn't really said but i would guess that the A333 fleet will be TATL and 787 and A332 will fly over the pac.



yep.
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

I don't think the A332's and A333's will be going anywhere for a LONG time. You will see the A330's and 787's living together in harmony for many years. Some 787's will serve the super long haul routes and some will serve the long haul routes between smaller than traditional city pairs.


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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

In the beginning the 787s will be used for expansion, but after a while they will replace the A330s, but NW could keep the A330s for a very long time! The A330s are still very new, and NW is one of the first to get the 787s.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 2):
nothing......as the A330s get old the will be replaced by 787s but that will be a long time from now(and a DC-9 will fly the crew back)

I think the A330 and 787 will be replaced together with a new type and the crew will be flown back by a DC-9  Smile



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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

why would mexicana want or need 18 787,s Most of their routes now could be serviced with a 737 or 757 at the most but an a 330????

Im sure someone will take some of them of Nw hands probably a europeon carrier,



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2526 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Maybe they'll use some of the A330's on routes now flown by 753's? They could be planning for those routes to grow in pax count and the 330's could work nicely - especially on some mainland to Hawaii runs. Just a thought......

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

The 787 is NOT intended as an A330 replacement, NW's A330 fleet is very very new and will be with the airline for many years to come.

The 787's primary mission will be new longer range routes, probably primarily across the Pacific, that will by-pass NW's DTW/MSP and NRT hubs and/or will open services from DTW and MSP to new Asian destinations. Think routes such DTW-HKG, SEA-PEK (once authorities are available), the re-launch of JFK-NRT and MSP-Osaka....as random examples. The 787s will allow the fragmentation of the existing transpacific market and opening of many new Asian routes.

The key question is whether NW will continue to need a 747-sized airplane in its fleet after the new routes are introduced? Time will tell, but do expect major changes in the routes flown by NW across the Pacific and the airplanes assigned to such routes; the 787 will be a game changer in this respect. Just as when any new type is introduced into revenue service, expect lots of changes in aircraft allocations throughout the NW system.....but I would not be surprised to see the A330 fleet being more dedicated to transatlantic operations (both A332s and A333s, with some A332s operating on to-be-launched routes across the Atlantic) and select Mainland-Hawaii services, while the new 787s will focus on NW's transpacific network.

[Edited 2007-10-14 10:07:36]

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

What is the capacity of the 787 compared to the A330s (all in NW's configuration)?

User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

It would be very cool to see Northwest with 68 total 787s. Such a modern and efficient fleet. They'll probably keep the A330s flying as long as possible on the shorter routes as long as the demand is there, or maybe they can sell them to generate cash for the future 787 purchases.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

When you see how long they used their 747-200s, Dc-10s and Dc-9s I think the A330s will stay for awhile.


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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 15):

In NW configuration:
A330-200:
World Business Class-32 seats
Coach Class-211 seats
Total: 243 seats

A330-300:
World Business Class-34 seats
Coach Class-264 seats
Total: 298 seats

787-8:
World Business Class-36 seats
Coach Class-185 seats
Total: 221 seats



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

Could definitely see the A330/787 (as well as the A350/787) option become just as (if nor more) popular than the A330/777 option before it. Wonder who'll be the first carrier to have all three concurrently? EK?

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 18):

Its not a question of if an Air France 773 will be at MSP, its just a question of when.

long as you keep in mind that "never" and "only on diversion" are quite possibly the answer to that question  Wink


User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

I think a more appropriate question to ask would be what new European routes will NW launch with the A330s once the 787's arrive. As many have stated above, the 787s will serve the Pacific so it'll push a number of A330s out to the Atlantic.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

It'd be interesting to see if they use an Atlantic-bound A330s to open new routes from their American hubs (likely), or whether they'd have sufficient feed on the Euro end to open nonhubs up to service to AMS (not as likely, but certainly the extension of a paradigm shift!)

The USA carriers have (or plan to) link(ed) nearly every decently populated area within 3500mi of New York, with a nonstop intercon option; but the Euro carriers have been unable to respond, mostly due to EQP issues. Be interesting to see if NW takes that a step further, as they've begun with BDL.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6746 times:

The 787 was purchased for its range. It can fly to Asia in a way that the A330 cannot (the longest A330 route right now is SFO-NRT). They will work together and serve different missions. The A330 will continue to support the AMS and NRT hubs, while the 787 will open up new destinations that are further from the US mainland.

User currently offlineUcunnn2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 12):
why would mexicana want or need 18 787,s Most of their routes now could be serviced with a 737 or 757 at the most but an a 330????

no, MX was looking for A330s or A340s to expand their fleet and now being able to do long haul flights, like the one to China, and other routes...

MX doesnt operate 737 or 757 (not anymore, i heard the last 757 was almost to go) they only operate 2 767-300 . The rest of their fleet is A318, A319 & A320


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 12):
why would mexicana want or need 18 787,s Most of their routes now could be serviced with a 737 or 757 at the most but an a 330????

I think he meant A330s. It has been long speculated that MX wants some A330s in order to replace its long haul fleet composed of 2 oldish 763ERs. This would allow MX to add more long haul destinations (currently their only one is EZE) such as GRU and SCL. MX might also want to send widebody planes to JFK and LAX, and maybe to YYZ. I am not sure whether the A332 would be able to fly to Europe from MEX during the summer with a full payload, or if it could make it from TIJ to the Far East... there has also been talk that MX could go for A345s.

But back to NW:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
The 787 is NOT intended as an A330 replacement, NW's A330 fleet is very very new and will be with the airline for many years to come.

I think this sums it up pretty well. Do not expect NW to do anything with its A330s other than continue operating them. They are fine aircraft, quite new, and very suitable for many of the routes that NW operates. The two fleets will coexist for many years.

I really would love to fly the NW A330 trans-oceanic. I have heard very good things about NW long-haul (I have only done MEX-DTW-LGA and EWR-DTW-MEX).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 Kaneporta1 : Does that mean NW will have 2-4-2 in Y?
26 Brilondon : I am sure that NW will continue to use the A330 on its present runs and as the 787W's come on line the A330's will be moved to routes served by the ol
27 Dutchjet : Its very unlikely that A330s or 787s will be used on routes now flown with the 757......the vast majority of 757 routes are domestic segments that si
28 Gunsontheroof : This route is already being planned by HU for next summer, so I doubt we'll see NW flying it with the 787 (though it could happen). That said, this i
29 Brilondon : It Would seem that the 787 would fit both roles quite nicely. Agreed that this would not happen for quite a while since most of NW's longhaul fleet a
30 AirbusA6 : Is the 787-8 really that much smaller than the A332?
31 CMHARJ : Is the 747 here to stay for quite some time?
32 Fun2fly : Pre-delay, NW was scheduled to get 8 788's in 2008, 4 in 2009, and 6 in 2010. That clearly states these are for expansion and point to point routes as
33 Flighty : I agree. However, that does not mean it was smart. NW gave into the pain. They could not make the D10 last until the 787. Even though, the 787 is the
34 RwSEA : Not too sure about that. The 787 is even smaller than the A332s, and on some of the current A332 routes (esp. SEA-NRT), the plane is too small alread
35 ER757 : I was surprised when this was downgraded from a 747 to an A330. I guess the 744's were all spoken for so when they retired the 742's an A330 was the
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