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JetBlue Applies For FLL-BOG; MCO-BOG  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33025 posts, RR: 71
Posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13822 times:

JetBlue has filed with DOT for service between Bogotá and both Fort Lauderdale and Orlando. The application isn't up yet, however.

Competition for the 21 new frequencies will be heavy.

So far, DL wants 14 for JFK-BOG, ATL-CLO, and ATL-MDE.

CO has said they will ask for "at least seven".

Spirit will also ask for at least seven, for FLL-BOG.

In addition, NK and DL are protesting AA's use of seven frequencies starting 13Dec07. Originally they were slated to go to MIA-BAQ. However, since then, Barranquilla flights are Open Skies, so they are free for AA to use them elsewhere, so AA will use them on MIA-BOG and MIA-MDE. Lawyers for Spirit and Delta are trying to argue that "since they aren't going to BAQ, they can't be used at all", while Continental doesn't even make the argument and assumes they will become free.

So we have four airlines for 21 frequencies, possibly 28. It is almost undeniable that Spirit and jetBlue will get seven each, as they are new entrants. The rest comes down to whether DL or CO has the stronger application. Delta will not get 14 frequencies, so they will have to pick JFK-BOG or ATL-MDE/CLO.

If the lawyers are able to persuade DOT that AA's use of the frequencies on MIA-BOG/MDE is unfair (the whole argument is based on a technicality and likely won't succede, then each airline will likely get seven.

[Edited 2007-10-15 17:51:00]


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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13736 times:

Of course SkyBus will probably apply for service from CMH  Smile

I am sure Spirit isn't happy that B6 came in with an application from FLL  Smile How are they competing on similar routes?


User currently offlineAzul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13696 times:

Why all the international? What about the rest of the USA!!!!


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13672 times:

Wow, how you like them apples, Jetblue in Colombia. Hope they get it. congrats to colombia

User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13666 times:

Quoting Azul320 (Reply 2):
Why all the international? What about the rest of the USA!!!!

My thoughts exactly.



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User currently offlineShadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13629 times:

Wow. Very, very interesting. How far will JetBlue go with international flights out of FLL? I knew they were interested in STI, CUN, and NAS, but Bogota is much different. I imagine that they can't add many non pre-clearance routes, as T4 can barley handle all of the planes in terms of gates and passengers in terms of FIS. I imagine NK can't be very happy with JetBlue's sudden interest in Latin America from FLL. Anyway, this really makes the competition for the Colombia slots much more interesting.

Also, what ever happened to NK's Chiclayo route?

[Edited 2007-10-15 18:25:25]

User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13628 times:

Ha I don't know about this route. I mean I like the idea and hopefully it will do good but I mean they should focus on connecting the dots like they said they are going to do. But yea.

B6jfk



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13607 times:

B6 moving into Latin America would be NKs worst nightmare. Lets see how this plays out. Latin America is an extremely profitable market, and the LCCs and other US airlines are finally starting to realize this.

User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13555 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
B6 moving into Latin America would be NKs worst nightmare. Lets see how this plays out. Latin America is an extremely profitable market, and the LCCs and other US airlines are finally starting to realize this.

Anyone know how many additional gates B6 is acquiring at FLL since they have been adding quite a bit of flights?



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13459 times:

However, B6's lack of presence in non-Caribbean Latin America might be a hindrance to them. The DOT has clearly favored carriers in limited service cases that have demonstrated abilities in a region of the world. The Caribbean and Latin America are not the same markets. B6 might be told to develop its Latin network in central American markets where there are plenty of opportunities.

User currently offlineAzul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13351 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 4):

Think Barger's got the hots for international? Maybe some 330-200s to Europe some day? LOL



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13310 times:

So Delta wants to fly ATL-CLO? Do they have any intention of making money on it? Either they have no clue or this will end up being another Saturday-only expansion.


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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2991 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13274 times:

So if JetBlue was given 7 of the frequencies, which route would get priority? MCO or FLL?

In any case, this would be a great way for JetBlue to enter the South American market - and there could be connecting service from JFK/BOS/IAD, etc. But this is a very big deal - a whole new chapter for JetBlue.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13236 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 11):
So Delta wants to fly ATL-CLO? Do they have any intention of making money on it?

Of course not! DL's sole purpose is annoucing routes that will lose the airline bags and bags of money. I swear it's just a bunch of clowns running that airline.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13224 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Delta will not get 14 frequencies, so they will have to pick JFK-BOG or ATL-MDE/CLO.

Which, most probably, will go to JFK-BOG. It compliments AV´s service, the market isn´t saturated, and they don´t have to open new stations.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
It is almost undeniable that Spirit and jetBlue

Well, it depends, b/c the Colombian government might have a problem with it. They both want the same route: BOG-FLL, and both are LCCs. If another airline has a more creative routing, or a totally new service (like CTG-IAH or something like it), it might get it before B6 or NK. But i agree that at least 7 of the frequencies will be given to an LCC. I bet AV is more than unhappy about it too.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 11):
So Delta wants to fly ATL-CLO? Do they have any intention of making money on it? Either they have no clue or this will end up being another Saturday-only expansion.

Well, the CLO market is indeed saturated, but if they operate an ATL-MDE-CLO or a traingle routing they won´t have a problem with the profits.

I am more than glad to see B6 applying for service to my hometown. I just didn´t see it coming, b/c the costs of operating at BOG are high (highest in latin america), and b/c BOG is a mixed market (let´s say 40% business, 30% VFR and 30% tourists), and american LCCs fly to typically leisure orientes destinations, such as NAS or CUN.

Bogotá has been making huge efforts to attract tourists, and it´s finally starting to show. International arrivals are up, as is hotel occupation, and the economy is also feeling the extra money spent by non-colombians.

[Edited 2007-10-15 19:50:45]


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13164 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
Of course not! DL's sole purpose is annoucing routes that will lose the airline bags and bags of money. I swear it's just a bunch of clowns running that airline.


Yes, which totally explains why DL in the most recent quarter was more profitable on an operating profit margin basis than AA or CO and why DL was within a fraction of a percent of CO in the JD Power customer service survey and way ahead of AA. (sarcasm).

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 14):
Well, it depends, b/c the Colombian government might have a problem with it.

The Colombian gov't has no input as to how the routes are distributed as long as it is within the parameters that were agreed upon in the treaty.

I don't really think B6 and NK will both get a route because there isn't that much unique between their proposals. But that will be up to the US DOT decide, not the Colombian gov't.


User currently offlineShadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13094 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 12):

I don't know if there is enough of a market for 3 FLL-BOG flights. It would probably make more sense for B6 to go with MCO.


User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13057 times:

I don't really know about this. There are so many markets in the United States they haven't tapped into, like Michigan, Wisconsin so fourth before they should look to Latin America, IMHO


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13010 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 15):
Yes, which totally explains why DL in the most recent quarter was more profitable on an operating profit margin basis than AA or CO and why DL was within a fraction of a percent of CO in the JD Power customer service survey and way ahead of AA. (sarcasm).

I agree with you and was just being sarcastic in my reply. It never ceases to amaze me that some people will immediately trash every move that DL makes simply on the basis that they hate the airline for whatever reason. I swear there are very few airlines on this forum that bring out such hatred in some people.



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12925 times:

Any idea on when the route awards will be announced? Will it be like JFK-CUN (one calender year later...)? I think this is good news for B6. Diversify the network. Expand FLL while we still have the chance.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week ago) and read 12775 times:

Does the capacity an airline plans to offer have any influence on the application? E.g. DL applying for 757 service (184 seats) vs B6 A320 (150 seats).

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 1):
Of course SkyBus will probably apply for service from CMH

Emirates would be a more realistic candidate for CMH-BOG than Skybus...

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 11):
So Delta wants to fly ATL-CLO? Do they have any intention of making money on it? Either they have no clue or this will end up being another Saturday-only expansion.

Wow, it only took you 11 posts to come up with your typical anti-Delta drivel, your performance is weakening  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2991 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12575 times:

The flight mileage between JFK-BOG is 2480 - within a loaded A320 range. Why is JetBlue adamant about starting Florida-BOG rather than service from its largest hub?

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12412 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 21):
Why is JetBlue adamant about starting Florida-BOG rather than service from its largest hub?

JFK-BOG is a route that I would imagine seeing weight restrictions, lots of VFR. Also has competition from CO, AA, and AV. MCO-BOG would only pit B6 against Avianca. In FLL's case, I'm sure that the DOT won't award seven frequencies to both B6 & NK, so B6 just put in for this crossing their fingers. Avianca would be the only competitor on FLL-BOG and AA on MIA-BOG of course. I think it is a great start to South American expansion and kudos to network planning for jumping on this opportunity.

Quoting Azul320 (Reply 2):
Why all the international? What about the rest of the USA!!!!

Why not? Thats where the money is! I'm sure they are still going to connect the dots in the U.S., but why not jump on this instead of sit back and let NK and the others hog up all the routes. It makes sense to me.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6625 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12359 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9):
However, B6's lack of presence in non-Caribbean Latin America might be a hindrance to them. The DOT has clearly favored carriers in limited service cases that have demonstrated abilities in a region of the world.

Not really. The DOT gave US rights to fly PHL-China, even though US has no experience flying to Asia and currently doesn't even operate an aircraft capable of flying the route.

B6's bigger weakness is that both they and Spirit are applying for the same route. That would be a bigger hindrance, though it's still possible both will win.


User currently offlineSuper Em From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12200 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 21):

Maybe they want to see how it does from Florida and then expand it to JFK. Plus you know how it is with the Carribbean and South America with the bags. Doubt that plane will go out 150 with all the bags.


25 ExFATboy : Why? AirTran's expanding in Wisconsin, and besides not wanting to start a fight with NW, Michigan's economy is the worst in the United States right n
26 Incitatus : Delta is a seasonal carrier that cancels out a large number of frequencies in the Winter. If it did not have the greatest results in the third quarte
27 United787 : This confirms my opinion that FLL would make a great Latin American hub for UA. Rather than go head to head with AA at MIA, they could still pull from
28 LACA773 : I think a DL "triangle" type of flight ATL-MDE-CLO will be a great route to operate with a 738 since I don't see them needing two a/c for these flight
29 Jfk777 : Of all the possible places for Jet Blue to fly from FLL to, why Colombia ? It makes sense for Spirit Airline but why JB, They would be better to fly f
30 Post contains images DAL767400ER : The application actually speaks of seperate service, 3x weekly CLO and 4x weekly MDE, both with a 738 I take you mean JFK-BOG as they already serve A
31 Richierich : I think you know the answer to that question....
32 SkyexRamper : This route actually wouldn't be a bad idea for Jetblue as long as they can turn a profit. Since Jetblue goes Mx in El Salvador, they could potentiall
33 Summa767 : Wow, suddenly there is all this competition for Colombian routes. I would love to see JetBlue in BOG. NK is bound to be given the FLL-BOG authority si
34 Richierich : Which is the whole point of any new route, right?? Except its not like B6 planes are flying to El Salvador daily. Or even weekly. So bang goes that t
35 MAH4546 : They have absolutely no say, the same way the U.S. has no say in which Colombian airlines get the new slots. The only way the Colombian government ca
36 Jfk777 : JFK to BOG is about 2500 miles, as far as California from JFK. JetBlue flies plenty to the west coast from JFK. The only factor is the altitude in BO
37 PLANEGUY : Would there be any Direct TV reception on a Florida-Colombia routing?
38 Richierich : Only the part flown over or near the US, apparently. Distance is not an issue, obviously. But the 8Kft elevation is... I don't have any calculations
39 MAH4546 : It's Bogota's climate and altitude that make it a problem.
40 Summa767 : BOG has long runways, but the problem is the weight restriction for an A320 taking off at 8000 ft for a 4000 Km flight. I have to agree that it would
41 Richierich : How long are BOG's runways? I'm guessing this is why B6 is applying for Florida-BOG and not NYC-BOG.
42 MAH4546 : Let's not ignore some other key facts, such as the fact that Florida represents more than half of all USA-Colombia traffic, and that while Florida-Co
43 DAL767400ER : Both runways are around 12,000ft long, which normally should be enough to avoid too hefty payload restrictions on an A320 headed to JFK.
44 Rcardinale : I think that Colombia would be a great addition to B6's route map and with add some depth to the carribean and latin american markets. Recently did je
45 B6FA4ever : also to add, if people don't mind connections to fly us to BOG...there is a possibility of up to 13 cities you can connect to/from in FLL to BOG (9 fr
46 MCOflyer : I think B6 will the MCO-BOG as they would be the only players in that market. If that does not work (I am willing to bet it does), B6 can try out of J
47 Avianca : just wait some months and you will see them there....
48 MAH4546 : The proposed routings are IAD-FLL-BOG and BOS-MCO-BOG. Just a minor correction, but airlines do not apply for US-Colombia routes, they apply for US-C
49 Post contains images B6FA4ever : thanx for the correction!
50 Post contains images Luv2cattlecall : Well if they want their stock to go north of $10 (aka 1 or 2 Euros in the near future ) what they need to do is put David N. back as CEO and use the r
51 RCS763AV : B/C maybe, they know that all those saturated markets will make less money with tickets sold at $49 when they can charge $250 and up to Latin America
52 WorldTraveler : The wings don't work near as well at takeoff speeds at 8000 feet as they do at ground level. The limiting factor at high altitude is most often the a
53 Post contains images A388 : Maybe because it's an untapped market for low cost airlines? It looks like we will be seeing low cost airlines entering the Caribbean and South Ameri
54 Post contains images N1120A : Because international flights sell for more money. Or perhaps 787-8s Why? By going to Columbia, jetBlue can charge a hefty premium over what they cha
55 SJOtoLIR : As a reference, AV usually utilizes the 762 on BOG-JFK. The comfortable range of the Airbus A320-200 fully packed is 2615 nm. Other 320 versions are
56 Avianca : you mean 763 or? BOG-JFK is the traditional 763 route for Avianca since years
57 SkyexRamper : So in text...El Salvador only means one city huh...I've never heard which one, but there sure are more than one El Salvadors in the world, especially
58 SOUTHAMERICA : Actually it isn't. Ever since MAD started to get the 763s more frequently, JFK is seeing the 762s quite often. This is not an absolute thing, but BOG
59 Post contains links MAH4546 : Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 52): If I didn't know you have been shown to be wrong before, I might give excitted about how certain you are. But your t
60 Viaggiare : Is his suggestion that you have a thing or two to learn an insult? I'd say it's more like reaping what you sow. And speaking of arrogance, I can atte
61 MAH4546 : Your more than welcome to your own opinion. It is, but it's a referrence only WorldTraveller will understand.[Edited 2007-10-16 23:12:50]
62 Viaggiare : Certainly you meant reference.
63 MAH4546 : Yup. Thanks for the correction.
64 LACA773 : Yes. Thanks DAK767400ER for the correction. LACA773
65 RCS763AV : Oh please, its ColOmbia, it just tortures me. Yes, and also the 763 and the 757. Humm....the only sizeable city in latin america that could get servi
66 Clo1973 : It seems to me that you have no idea what you are talking about. CLO - USA moved more than 200.000 pax on 2006 (Continental alone transporting 40.000
67 SOUTHAMERICA : When was the last time a foreign carrier operated a successful triangle route within Colombia? Airlines have discovered that running triangle routes
68 MAH4546 : That is not at all significant. That doesn't even come close to filling Cali's two daily flights to Miami. Cali isn't a great international market, a
69 MAH4546 : Proposed schedules: Boston-Orlando-Bogotá: B6 975 BOS 1515-1830 MCO 1930-2255 BOG Daily B6 976 BOG 2350-0500 MCO 0730-1022 BOS Daily Dulles-Fort Laud
70 SKYYBLUE : Any idea on when the awards will be announced? Few weeks? Month?
71 MAH4546 : We are likely looking at 4-8 months.
72 N1120A : Sorry about that. I usually get it right.
73 FLY2LIM : The country is El Salvador, its capital is San Salvador. There are ZERO cities "down south" that could be considered "well known" that are called El
74 RCS763AV : The schedules for the return flgihts form BOG actually suck. No one will like a 4:50am arrival to FLL, to try and get a hotel or drive to Orlando, ti
75 Danimarroquin : well , is about time that airlines focus on that route because the colombian community in orlando is getting big . also , is not good when you have to
76 SOUTHAMERICA : They cosidered the possibility of flying to Orlando back in mid-2005 when the first international expansion in the post-Efromovich era was going to t
77 B752OS : That would be interesting, one stop BOS-BOG service. Does AA currently have any one stop Latin America service through MIA from BOS?
78 A388 : Are you sure about that, only 80 passengers? LM used to fly CUR-JFK nonstop with a full MD80, isn't that a longer route? A388
79 MAH4546 : Yes. AA runs a few BOS-MIA-LatAm flights, but the routings change all the time.
80 Post contains links and images MIAMIx707 : The colombian community in the Orlando area has been very large for years, right now it's huge. Many colombians here travel to Colombia at least ever
81 MAH4546 : I think there was some talk of them looking at Orlando, but Miami is likely coming first. There is virtually zero competition with American and Avian
82 Shadez : What ever happened between Aires and Spirit regarding merger and codeshare talks? If Aires does fly this route, have they aquired an aircraft to do s
83 SOUTHAMERICA : Hola Mario, I was talking specifically about Avianca. After Efromovich acquired the company in 2004, they started tossing around many potential route
84 MAH4546 : So jetBlue complained to DOT about American using seven frequencies that are not route-specific for MIA-MDE/BOG, when they originally planned on using
85 Clo1973 : Maybe Medellin still has some space for an independent flight, I believe Cali no (at least for now) given the fact that the market is well served wit
86 Summa767 : I hope that jetBlue don't end up out of te competition on a technicality, especially as if was just 1 or 2 days, and DOT will have to have a process
87 MAH4546 : Actually, I do know the data. Guess you should know that loads and yields having nothing to do with each other. Cali yields suck compared to MDE and
88 1MillionFlyer : MAH4546 is a laywer for American Airlines that is why he always has all the data about American.(Or at least appears to be after all the 18000 posts h
89 Post contains links AAL0616 : Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9): However, B6's lack of presence in non-Caribbean Latin America might be a hindrance to them. The DOT has clearly favor
90 Avianca : why? a overnight flight is still missing in the timetables.... well as before mentioned, just wait some months, and we will see AV in MCO.... if you
91 SJOtoLIR : This kind of timetable considering red-eyes is quite often taken by U.S. low cost carriers in their Latin American mainland stations in Costa Rica, G
92 Lrdc9 : Skybus. IILLKK! Why not, just a wondering?
93 MAH4546 : I disagree. I think that DOT is going to try to maximize new entrants, and both NK and B6 will be awarded frequencies. Spirit has experience in South
94 Post contains images A388 : Oww okay, now I understand it. Will the A319s they have on order put an end to these limitations? Saludos, A388
95 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Hola Federico, thanks for the details I was not aware the MDs had these high altitude limitations. Still think Aerorepublica should've tried the MCO
96 Shadez : They should be denied just on the basis that they spelled Colombia wrong in their application. (They wrote Columbia). The DOT should tell them there a
97 MIAMIx707 : LOL no way.. You're j/k, where is the link I wanna see it
98 Post contains links Shadez : http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...osition=attachment&contentType=pdf
99 Jfk777 : El Dorado's runways are very long Avianca 767, Air France and Iberia A340's fly to Madrid and Paris NONSTOP. AV has a new fleet of A319 & A320 on ord
100 SKYYBLUE : Link doesn't work for some reason.
101 Shadez : The link changes for some reason when I post.[Edited 2007-10-23 08:50:24]
102 Shadez : The link changes for some reason when I post.[Edited 2007-10-23 08:35:40]
103 Tavong : At this time i'm not Sure if AV have ordered some special A319 (LR variants but not so sure). But the "basic" A319 sure has the legs to do the inner-
104 RCS763AV : So that is good for the always filled-to-the guts summer season? Not many tourists will dig the idea of arriving in FLL/MCO at 4am. And businessmen d
105 Asuflyer05 : Uh oh I hope you didn't just blow someone's cover.
106 ExFATboy : Has to do with the way the DirecTV satellites are positioned for optimal coverage of the continental US. JetBlue's planes can't receive the signal on
107 MAH4546 : Yeah...ummm...not really.
108 MIAMIx707 : I don't. But it's hard not to notice how yours truly just put down someone's humble opinion as "stupid" then, as if it wasn't enough FLY2LIM starts b
109 WorldTraveler : instead of the identity pi78ing match, let's return to the thread at hand. There are Dec 1 frequencies available. The US DOT may well award a route on
110 Jfk777 : Why would any comsumer, even those used to being abused by the Colombian airlines, fly to Florida at MIDNIGHT. Unless the air fare was so cheap, most
111 SKYYBLUE : Oh God... again... someone always has to bring this up. The redeye schedule will do just fine going to Latin America. Works for the LCC's, give this
112 MAH4546 : Logic based on history doesn't. DOT does not, and will not, rush a decission just because the flights are set to start at a date which was, as is, ve
113 RCS763AV : After having spent the whole night before packing and travellin? Don´t think so. Care to explain? Let´s hope so, even though the fares will have to
114 MAH4546 : Avianca flies redeyes, albeit seasonally, from Miami to Medellin. They do fine.
115 Aces727 : "Avianca flies redeyes, albeit seasonally, from Miami to Medellin. They do fine." >You are correct, they do fine seasonally, all other flights are ful
116 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : with the 720 to be exact What a gorgeous scheme/plane. For a teen to be saying that, I dunno it just comes across as kind of funny.
117 MIAMIx707 : I remember seeing an Avianca flight very late at night on the northern concourses at MIA during the late 90's, not sure what time this flight got to M
118 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Airliners.net-was brought up at the Purser training at AA FU. Flagship University..not middle finger..LOL. They requested that FA's do not post info t
119 MAH4546 : Avianca still has flights like these. Last December and January they had a 757 from MDE that landed at around 2.30AM and took off back for MDE at aro
120 RCS763AV : If you knew just a bit of my family circumstances, youd shut your mouth up. Really, it´s getting annoying, if you need to laugh at someone, go watch
121 Aces727 : "757 from MDE that landed at around 2.30AM and took off back for MDE at around 4AM."..."Indeed, this schedule has existed for a long time. It´s great
122 MAH4546 : It would. Spirit Airlines has redeyes on these schedules to MGA, GUA, etc., and they work great. While they aren't popular with the business crowds,
123 AAL0616 : In other words, does this mean that it comes down to looking something like this for the 21 frequencies by next spring: #1 (7X/wk) DAL JFK-BOG #2 (7X
124 MIAMIx707 : By the way, annyone know where does AV plan to deploy the A330s, and will these replace the 767s? why if I have pretty good comedy right here? Los nin
125 Avianca : yes the first will go to MAD from BOG and CLO and from BOG TO EZE
126 MAH4546 : No, jetBlue is unopposed for the October 2008 FLL-BOG frequencies. However, they might change that application for MCO-BOG in October 2008 if they do
127 Summa767 : That's an interesting development. I wonder if that is stated in the bilateral, or just a measure that DOT are taking on their initiative to be certa
128 MAH4546 : These slots are going to be very competitive. I know that AeroRepublica is going to ask for flights to MIA, Avianca wants more flights to MIA, and no
129 Post contains links Shadez : Article in Spanish. http://www.dinero.com/wf_InfoArticulo.aspx?IdArt=36976 Free Translation Excerts: Colombia, Aires, AeroRepública and Avianca have
130 N587NK : apparently Inflight Training has told the recent new hire F/A class that we will recieve 2 A320s in Feb. And then in 2009 1 a month for 24 months. I k
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