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Pittsburgh: Death Of An Airline Hub  
User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

With no sizable hub operation, Pittsburgh has lost all non-stop service to places like San Diego, Seattle, and Orange County where US Airways was the sole operator. Other major routes like Los Angeles and San Francisco, which once had several daily non-stop departures, are left with only a single flight per day. And those traveling to scores of regional destinations like Albany, Allentown, Altoona, or Buffalo will have to connect through other hubs to reach those destinations.

US Airways enjoyed an 87% market share of all traffic in, out, and through Pittsburgh. Now that market share is less than 40%, and, only two years after entering the market, Southwest is now the number 2 airline in Pittsburgh carrying 11% of all passengers.

Pittsburgh passengers now enjoy airfares that are 7% lower than the national average. With the higher cost structure inherent in operating a hub, US Airways could no longer compete at this lower price point.
But ironically those lower fares now enjoyed by Pittsburgh passengers come at the cost of greater inconvenience and time spent connecting somewhere else or waiting around for that one remaining non-stop flight per day.

Seventy-five gates and four runways set on spacious grounds assured that Pittsburgh International Airport did not suffer the gridlock and congestion that plague much larger hub airports like Atlanta Hartsfield, Chicago O'Hare, or Dallas-Fort Worth. Now with fewer than 250 departures per day, the Pittsburgh airport has become severely underutilized.



http://www.usatoday.com/travel/colum...5-dismantling-pittsburgh-hub_N.htm

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User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9557 times:

I always like going into PIT. I like all the shops and food options. It's a nice terminal. I always feel sad when I'm there. Hopefully, someone will bring her back to life.

User currently offlineASAFA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9497 times:

Interesting I didn't know that SEA-PIT had been discontinued altogether.

I wonder if AS will take the opportunity to launch SEA-PIT service.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9489 times:

I liked going through PIT, even I have never been to PHL yet Big grin

It was a nice place

reminds me a bit of STL when AA took over and US downsized PIT dramatically



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

Quoting ASAFA (Reply 2):
I wonder if AS will take the opportunity to launch SEA-PIT service.

Not in the next few decades, unless the situation changes. What little feed PIT has is *A, and AS is linked to SkyTeam and AA. The route would have to survive pretty much off of O&D, and that's not the most ideal situation. AS has much lower-hanging fruit to pick from. It's nice to think about, but it's just not going to happen.


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9440 times:

Quoting CRJ200FAGuy (Reply 1):
I always like going into PIT. I like all the shops and food options.

The Chinese place over by the NW gates cooks everything to order. It may take a couple minutes longer but it's the best food I've had in any airport.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9429 times:

With ever increasing oil prices will the decision to shut down PIT as a US hub end up being a mistake? I wonder how much money airlines lose in the form of burned fuel on long taxi times, queues for departure, circling airports because of ground delays, etc. With every dollar the price of oil goes up places like ORD, ATL, DFW, etc become less and less attractive. At least financially. In an industry where margins are thin you can't afford to be burning fuel unnecessarily. BTW oil closed around $87 per barrel today.


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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9407 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 6):
With ever increasing oil prices will the decision to shut down PIT as a US hub end up being a mistake? I wonder how much money airlines lose in the form of burned fuel on long taxi times, queues for departure, circling airports because of ground delays, etc. With every dollar the price of oil goes up places like ORD, ATL, DFW, etc become less and less attractive. At least financially. In an industry where margins are thin you can't afford to be burning fuel unnecessarily. BTW oil closed around $87 per barrel today.

It's actually the rising fuel prices as much as anything that have driven this decision. Why feed people into PIT, PHL and CLT when you can just feed PHL and CLT? It eliminates a lot of redundancy.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9396 times:

US has a bit of a problem in my opinion. PHL has great O/D but it is a nightmare when it comes to delays and runway queues. Far too much fuel is wasted. Perhaps it would be best to just serve the O/D in PHL and keep the connections elsewhere.


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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
US has a bit of a problem in my opinion. PHL has great O/D but it is a nightmare when it comes to delays and runway queues. Far too much fuel is wasted. Perhaps it would be best to just serve the O/D in PHL and keep the connections elsewhere.

The problem is the continued expansion at PHL by the airlines, US actually reduced the overall number of flights. The solution to use some of the gates capable of handling international traffic for domestic flying is utterly absurd. There's a reason the runways are empty in PIT and it has nothing to do with any airline.

If PHL can fill 3/4 of a plane to a city twice a day and you can bring in enough passengers to fill those two planes as well as one more, you have more frequency using fewer aircraft than flying those two aircraft 3/4 full out of PHL and another two aircraft 3/4 full out of PIT. The O&D out of PIT to most cities isn't enough to fill those other two aircraft.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 9):
The solution to use some of the gates capable of handling international traffic for domestic flying is utterly absurd.

I know NW flies 3x daily from IND to PHL. They are all CRJs. Seems like a bit of a waste doesn't it?



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 3):
reminds me a bit of STL when AA took over and US downsized PIT dramatically

True, although PIT has a beautiful new airport compared to STL which is hardly spectacular.

I was in PIT just this last weekend and the terminal is very nice and so empty. I wonder how they will keep all of those stores in the airmall. Do you really need a Victoria's Secret in an airport? With so few flights and virtually no connecting passengers, the terminal goes to waste. If only we could cut part of it off and glue it onto some other airports that desperately need the space.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
If only we could cut part of it off and glue it onto some other airports that desperately need the space.

Here's a VERY out of the box idea..

Why don't they literally make one of the wings into a mall and observation area.. PIT is shaped like and "X".. so just take on of the legs and make it into shops and observation area.. then have the security area set up one can get to that part outside of security, but can still walk the entire concourse to plane watch and shop.. then they can at least get utilization and added revenue without having to mothball the concourse...

just an idea..



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

Im surprised FL hasn't taken more advatage of the downsizing by US at PIT. I know WN is there, but you would think that FL could make more of a fight of it.


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User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Why don't they literally make one of the wings into a mall and observation area.. PIT is shaped like and "X".. so just take on of the legs and make it into shops and observation area.. then have the security area set up one can get to that part outside of security, but can still walk the entire concourse to plane watch and shop.. then they can at least get utilization and added revenue without having to mothball the concourse...

Ehhh, all it would mean is that all of us could post in person instead of online!!!!! We would be the only users!

I have a question....Can an airport like PIT which is so so underutilized and so lacking (from what it seems) any major revenue go bankrupt?? I am sure the state would never let it happen (I am sure it probably isn't possible). But if PIT was a company it would have closed a long long time ago........


Such a shame, Thanks US


User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8920 times:

I always thought it would be cool if they did close a concourse, it could be used as a soundstage for shows that require an airport mock up. Just a thought.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8862 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 5):
The Chinese place over by the NW gates cooks everything to order. It may take a couple minutes longer but it's the best food I've had in any airport.

Wok and Roll wasn't bad, but I've had better Chinese in town lots of times.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Why don't they literally make one of the wings into a mall and observation area.. PIT is shaped like and "X".. so just take on of the legs and make it into shops and observation area.. then have the security area set up one can get to that part outside of security, but can still walk the entire concourse to plane watch and shop.. then they can at least get utilization and added revenue without having to mothball the concourse...

The problem is each concourse is utilized to some extent. Since we really don't know what US Airways will do for gate space at PIT without express, the question is too open-ended. It's still too early to say yes or no about it.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 14):
Ehhh, all it would mean is that all of us could post in person instead of online!!!!! We would be the only users!

You would be surprised how many people spot at the airport. I know from personal experiences.. going to the observation deck at RDU and Gravely Point in DC.. it can get real crowded real quick.. and lots of people bring food and are there for quite a long time watching the aircraft.. Many families go as well as spotters and those waiting for people to arrive.. but, I digress.



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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8747 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 5):
The Chinese place over by the NW gates cooks everything to order. It may take a couple minutes longer but it's the best food I've had in any airport.

Wow. I hope they have better Chinese food in airports in China.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 18):
Wow. I hope they have better Chinese food in airports in China.

Sure, but honestly the food in Chinese airports makes our Chinese food seem like Sugar Treats. Its totally different, and sometimes some can be more bland, cause in the US, we add lots of sugar and also our dishes are americanized. Big grin

sometimes when in Taiwan or Hong Kong, I get tired and want Panda Express back home  Smile



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22301 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 7):
It's actually the rising fuel prices as much as anything that have driven this decision. Why feed people into PIT, PHL and CLT when you can just feed PHL and CLT? It eliminates a lot of redundancy.

STL (which is essentially the same distance from ORD as PIT is from PHL) retains a fairly sizable AA hub with service to many minor markets, and it effectively functions as a reliever airport for the extremely congested ORD. Could US have done something similar with PIT? With different priorities and a less expensive facility, probably so. Redundancy can be bad, but when one of the redundant hubs has capacity issues, as PHL does, it can also work to a carrier's advantage.



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4466 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 8432 times:

I'll sum up here some of what I've said in some other threads.

The draw-down and closure of the Pittsburgh hub is one reason I avoid US Airways for both my business and leisure travel. Yes, as SilentBob notes, there's more O & D at PHL. And the legacy carriers seem (other than sensible CO who is building up CLE) to be concentrating everybody at the megahubs these days.

But sending everybody to megahubs doesn't seem to work when those hubs get so congested that they become unreliable. I avoid PHL, armpit and delay-nightmare that it is, like the plague. As ScottB has noted in other threads, US actually increased departures at PHL after WN entered, they just cut back the mainline drastically and upped the Express. And of course PHL has its famous baggage handlers.

In a world where the airports where Every Airline Wants to Connect You have bad runway layouts, congestion, and NIMBY or environmental-extremism issues to prevent serious reconstrcution, and there are beautiful underused hub facilities like PIT, I am very skeptical that everyone has to go to the megahubs. Why not send int'l and the smaller markets through PHL (where that O & D matters more), but run lots more domestic through PIT? I'd bet after the past few years, Allegheny County might be willing forgive US their nasty rejection of leases 20 minutes before exiting BK, and cut a fee deal. But US won't--the Gospel of Megahubs reigns. Is US really saving that much money making everyone sit on the ground in PHL?

Fortunately, I live in Washington D.C., where we have three airports and a splintered market with many reasonable fares on various carriers, nonstop to many markets. So I have options. When I go to a smaller market where I have to connect, I go through one of the least-delay-prone megahubs, like DTW.

But US Airways, whose fares in my markets drove me to LCC's years ago, just gives me one more reason to stay away by focusing Northeast traffic at PHL.

Jim


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting ASAFA (Reply 2):
Interesting I didn't know that SEA-PIT had been discontinued altogether.



They did this awhile back. I believe it was the beginning of Spring.

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 3):
I liked going through PIT, even I have never been to PHL yet

Avoid this like the plague!

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 5):
The Chinese place over by the NW gates cooks everything to order. It may take a couple minutes longer but it's the best food I've had in any airport.

Wok N Roll!!!

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
US has a bit of a problem in my opinion. PHL has great O/D but it is a nightmare when it comes to delays and runway queues. Far too much fuel is wasted. Perhaps it would be best to just serve the O/D in PHL and keep the connections elsewhere.

This has been stated before. Keep the O&D and some connections out of PHL and make PIT a regional hub for US. Bring back the RJs to PIT and keep all bigger aircraft in PHL. This would relieve some runway congestion.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
I was in PIT just this last weekend and the terminal is very nice and so empty. I wonder how they will keep all of those stores in the airmall. Do you really need a Victoria's Secret in an airport? With so few flights and virtually no connecting passengers, the terminal goes to waste. If only we could cut part of it off and glue it onto some other airports that desperately need the space.

Give a couple concourses to PHL! They need it.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Here's a VERY out of the box idea..

Why don't they literally make one of the wings into a mall and observation area.. PIT is shaped like and "X".. so just take on of the legs and make it into shops and observation area.. then have the security area set up one can get to that part outside of security, but can still walk the entire concourse to plane watch and shop.. then they can at least get utilization and added revenue without having to mothball the concourse...

just an idea..

Not sure how that would work. You would need several checkpoints on airside for that instead of one centralized one. Would be a pain for pax going from one concourse to the other.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 16):
The problem is each concourse is utilized to some extent. Since we really don't know what US Airways will do for gate space at PIT without express, the question is too open-ended. It's still too early to say yes or no about it.

US is consolidating all ops to B concourse, abandoning A concourse.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Alas, poor PIT. It was a good idea in the 1990s for a smaller city but changing times have really hurt it. Since PIT is now underutilized, they should allow non-passengers back into the terminal.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 18):
Wow. I hope they have better Chinese food in airports in China.

Unfortunately they do not. Food is both expensive (by Chinese standards) and not very good at the airports. China is very regionalized and most people greatly prefer their own regional food. I guess at the airports they respond by serving bland food that does not taste good to anyone.

In the US there is Chinese food that Chinese people would eat and Chinese food for non-Chinese and to some extent, Chinese food for Jews. I doubt that any airport Chinese restaurant would serve anything except something from Panda Express or PF Chang's.


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 23):
Alas, poor PIT. It was a good idea in the 1990s for a smaller city but changing times have really hurt it. Since PIT is now underutilized, they should allow non-passengers back into the terminal.

They have been trying but I doubt it will ever happen as long as the TSA is here.



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25 Caspritz78 : I think US didn't had much a choice. They needed to cut costs and sizing down from three to two hubs saves you a lot of money. If AmericaWest hadn't b
26 Silentbob : Best Chinese I had was in Toronto, but it wasn't at the airport. I would hope so too, but seeing how I've never been to China.... That's the biggest
27 Spencerii : It takes a good mixedof O & D Passengers & support from a Business Community to make something like that work. PIT has neither, and it took US all th
28 Asuflyer05 : Why combine the lower yield of connecting traffic with the higher operating costs of an RJ? Send the traffic through PHL, up the flight to a 320 from
29 EXAAUADL : it makes PIT that much less profitable probably tainted with lead
30 PanAm747 : Here's PIT's problem - to effectively operate a hub, there MUST be significant amounts of O&D passengers, not just connections. Unfortunately, Pittsbu
31 MasseyBrown : This was true when WN killed the profitability of flow traffic with their low fares; but since WN has been posting one fare increase after another, t
32 Deltaflyertoo : What I don't get is the over reliance on O&D....correct me if I'm wrong but why has the following been considered: WHy can't airlines reinvent PIT, ST
33 SpencerII : Ahh...but CLT has a business community that supports US and most of their endeavors & a VERY VERY high yield market. PIT has no business structure to
34 PITops : Pretty much what I said earlier in a post.
35 B752OS : That's what I have said in other threads. First off, I rarely will fly US, especially now that I cannot connect through PIT, second, I think it would
36 PITops : From US or any airline?
37 B752OS : I mean't to add that I was talking about FL.
38 Steeler83 : Yes, Pittsburgh has seen an economic downturn and a major dehubbing over the years, but I think an upswing is instore for the region. Two F-500 compan
39 PITops : I just found out the other day that the new USA 3000 flights are already booked solid!
40 B752OS : In the region, Cleveland has been hit the hardest. As a big manufacturing and blue collar city, they have struggled to adapt their economy to the new
41 Post contains images 7cubed : The city of Pittsburgh will one day be seen as a good place to live and do business. I think a lot of people that live there already know this. As glo
42 USAirALB : I think that the entire PIT hub will be gone by 2013. It makes me so sad. PIT is such a nicer airport than PHL. I would prefer to go their than PHL. A
43 ConcordeBoy : ...less they would lose on an unprofitable and/or excessive-opportunity-cost hub operation. Heck, some of the stuff they serve in Chinese-American re
44 PITops : It's pretty much gone now. They had been calling it a Secondary Hub. It is barely a focus city if you ask me. Only the northern arm is gone to make r
45 USAirALB : No I mean, In 2013 they wont have flights to MCO,LAX,TPA,SFO....only to PHL,CLT,NYC,DCA
46 PITops : Might be sooner with the way things are going. Wouldn't suprise me.
47 Gift4tbone : You almost forgot, LAS and PHX too... -Tony@PVD
48 Indy : Well if an airline is going to double handle passengers which a hub does then you want to minimize ground time and backtrack time. For the most part
49 PITops : Unless WN kills them on those 2 routes. Which is possible. It will hurt US I think with the delays and traffic problems. Not a very stable airport.
50 N231YE : Being a Clevelander, I actually feel sorry for PIT. Although, I do hear that PIT Class B is awesome to fly to as a small-airplane pilot.
51 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh, I figured that PIT was harder hit considering that its population has over 100,000 more people than does PIT. Ohh man... You know what they're sa
52 PITops : He means they would include those destinations and not cut them.
53 Steeler83 : Oh, yeah, I worded that awkwardly, my bad!
54 DTWAGENT : I hate to see this happening to PIT. I have enjoyed going to the south and to SAN out of TOL to PIT and then out. I was clean, great food and alot of
55 Ba97 : Just flew in and out of PIT yesterday and everything from the set up of the airport, lack of congestion, concourses, shops, proximity to highways...on
56 7cubed : I think you're spot-on. I can drive to HDT or PHL but I always flew out of LNS. Why? Free parking, no lines, it's a mile from my house, did I mention
57 Jerseyguy : I'm surprised no one has mentioned B6, I know they haven't done well in PIT, but they might want to stick there toe back in the water on some of the d
58 PITRules : JetBlue is dropping a frequency at PIT in November.
59 Post contains images Steeler83 : B6 has been struggling. Is it a JFK flight being cut? I guess if it were to be BOS, they might as well be pulling out of PIT-BOS. I think B6 went fro
60 PITrules : It's a JFK flt being pulled.
61 PITops : WN is going to be up to about 65 flights in a few years. Thats a decent amount of flights for them. B6 has already said they won't add flights. They
62 Post contains images NWADC9 : I remember when US occupied almost half of C and all of A, B, and E. If anyone worked in the airline industry here, they're 99.9% likely from US. Now?
63 Post contains images Steeler83 : B-o-o-h-o-o... (although it is a shame...) I would add to this comment, but PITops et al have argued what B6 should do with PIT... I do wonder what k
64 AEroc : I remember flying a 737-400 from ROC-PIT and then onto MCO back in the 90's when PIT was something. I love the airport! I have done some temp work the
65 Post contains images IADCRJ : That is PIT's best kept secret in terms of eateries there.
66 Ckfred : A friend of mine who flies for AA tells me that RDU and BNA initially made sense, when there was no MIA hub. Once AA took over the old EA hub at MIA,
67 Post contains links KarlB737 : Apparently Doug Parker is now getting some heat from the senators from Pennsylvania. Sen. Arlen Specter speaks candidly in this report. This is a very
68 ATLAaron : No mainline to JFK. Just RJ's on Comair I believe.
69 JFK69 : Correct. hasn't been mainline in a while, but most the RJ's are filled.
70 ATLAaron : If they are almost always filled, think we stand the chance of getting upgraded to mainline? As you can see by my signature I will be on the flight i
71 Tornado82 : How would you plan on doing this with the terminal setup? With everything meeting at the "Core" and the security check being clear on the other side
72 Steeler83 : Neither do I, and right in the middle of that core there, there are at least 20 or so shops there as is, that's roughly 1/5 of all the shops at PIT..
73 Post contains links PITops : Now we just have a huge airport built for them idiots that is half empty. People would have to leave and reenter security if they wanted to shop. Wou
74 Post contains links PITops : Here's a map I found on airmall.com. http://i.elias-savion.com/11/59/en-u.../documents/shopdine/pittsburgh.pdf
75 NEMA : Almost sounds like an airport ghost town developing. What about the tourist board over there, its not a place we Brits find advertised as a place to
76 Silentbob : It doesn't help when everything except McDonalds is closed at 6PM on a Saturday
77 Post contains images LoneStarMike : I guess that would ultimately be up to the TSA, right? Still, it's an idea that has merit - not just at PIT but at other airports. If done correctly,
78 PITops : Why keep stores and restaurants open when there's no flights? PIT is a ghost town, more then other days, after 6pm on Saturdays. Unless there are wid
79 Joeman : Any source to backup this overwhelming evidence?
80 Steeler83 : Thanks. I found 46 stores in the core alone, almost half of the shops and eateries are in the core... I really like your idea. Ultimately, PIT's Airm
81 FlyPNS1 : Why would anyone go to the airport just to go shopping? I'm not an expert on the Pittsburgh area, but I'm assuming Pittsburgh has some normal shopping
82 Willbdsp : Until the Mall at Robinson opened in October of 2001, there wasn't a close shopping mall in that area. You either drove to Beaver County to go to Bea
83 PITops : Robinson just up the road on 60 is probably Pittsburgh's best mall IMO. That's the one I go to the most. Pretty much anything you need is in that mal
84 Steeler83 : I don't know of any other mall that has a Sbarro Italian Eatery, and how about those express spas? Airmall has 2 of those...
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