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Rumor: Delta Will Be "In Charge" Of NW/DL Merger   
User currently offlineNwAflyer07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18380 times:

I can't give details or links about this for fear of violating my contract, but the 'comfirmed' word that's floating around through NWA is that DL will be in charge when the merger happens. It's no longer a question of IF, but when. All the pieces are in place.. i just wonder whats going to happen to my job, and ill be pretty bummed out if i lose the "Northwest Airlines" name that's stitched to my shirt. Any other NW employees hear about this yet?

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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18367 times:

Errr, so are you saying at least that e merger is going to happen (subject to regulatory bodied approval!) and if so whens it going to be made public?

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18274 times:
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Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
can't give details or links about this for fear of violating my contract, but the 'comfirmed' word that's floating around through NWA is that DL will be in charge when the merger happens. It's no longer a question of IF, but when. All the pieces are in place.. i just wonder whats going to happen to my job, and ill be pretty bummed out if i lose the "Northwest Airlines" name that's stitched to my shirt. Any other NW employees hear about this yet?

I have a hard time believing someone who is in the age 16-20 age bracket has "details" of a DL/NW merger.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18204 times:

I dont think the two companies will merge into one brand.

I think the merger will very much be along the lines of AF/KL. The four parties are far too close for it not to. The AF and KL merger worked very, very well, maybe becasue there were no contentious issues with seniority. The fleet types are also so diverse, what would be the point in merging into a single brand? I think it would cause more problems than it would solve, and by keeping major fleets with both manufacturers, either of the companies could get the next 'big' order.

Now, I think we would certainly see a common direction in therms of destinations served, and avoiding dupliaction of routes, etc as necessary. Each station might only be served by one airlines ground crews, eg DL at ATL, JFK, NW at MSP, DTW. Also the regional carriers might be streamlines into a common entity, but I really cant see any benifits for merging the mainline operations.

I also think keeping two brands would keep authorities happier, as well as avoiding duplication of hubs.

Just my two cents,
Brian.



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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18080 times:

These rumors have been floating around forever. It may or may not happen. If it does, I doubt the people who know about it before hand, will being posting on this site. Although stranger things have happened.

User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18057 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 3):
I think the merger will very much be along the lines of AF/KL

Exactly my thoughts as well!



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17983 times:

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
can't give details or links about this for fear of violating my contract,

Nothing in your (our) contract says you can't discuss mergers. Read it again.





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but the 'comfirmed' word that's floating around through NWA is that DL will be in charge when the merger happens. It's no longer a question of IF, but when.

...This has been going around for a looooonnng time. Nothing new under the sun here.

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All the pieces are in place.. i just wonder whats going to happen to my job, and ill be pretty bummed out if i lose the "Northwest Airlines" name that's stitched to my shirt.

If I had a nickel for everytime I heard this type of stuff, well, I'd have a lot of nickels!  Smile

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Any other NW employees hear about this yet?

Everyday in some form or another for about the last 10 years.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17909 times:

I wish the same approach had been used for Canadian and Air Canada. The whole contentious issue of senority would have been avoided, or at least a longer period of time would have enabled it to be worked out better. Although I must say after the merger but before the aircraft and crews had been fully integrated there was a marked difference in the quality of the flights. The food on the Canadian run flights was significantly worse that the AC flights. The Canadian flights were still catered by their orginal company. This would have been different though in that the caterer would have known when their contract was up and that they wouldn't have a chance at the larger merged airline one.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17568 times:

Well if the Asia rights hold up to the regulations that they have, if they became one airline chances are they will stay Northwest Airlines. The merger rumor issue became more heated when Richard Anderson (former NW CEO) was brought into office at Delta.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17558 times:

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
"Northwest Airlines" name that's stitched to my shirt.

...guess you're gonna get a new shirt....
safe



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17465 times:

You can likely put this one to pasture.

Bottom line -- when managers are not planning a merger, they talk publicly about mergers. When managers ARE planning a merger...they shut up and say nothing in the press.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5449 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17281 times:

If they were to remain separate under a corporate umbrella, how would they really be able to take advantage of the synergies of a true merger? I understand back office functions being combined, joint purchasing,etc, but when you look at the two carriers, it's easy to imagine a reduced or eliminated CVG/MEM. How do you axe a hub of one carrier and lose perhaps more senior employees when the other carrier and a perhaps more junior team get to keep their operations? Wouldn't their be union issues with that?

Just curious.

-Dave



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User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17021 times:
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Supposing this thread has some factual base, What do you think would happen to Midwest if some type of merger comes to fruition? John.


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User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16767 times:

Check this CNN article... Nothing concrete about any mergers, but interesting. I don't think this has been posted here before. My apologies if it has...

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/news/companies/bc.apfn.earns.delta.ap/index.htm



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16743 times:

Northwest always had the nicer fleet and the nicer livery, Delta is just big and bland in my opinion.
I hope, a merger of the two won´t happen.


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16605 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 14):
Northwest always had the nicer fleet and the nicer livery, Delta is just big and bland in my opinion.
I hope, a merger of the two won´t happen.

Umm...DC9's and and up until now, DC10's...747-200's...the old "bowling shoe" livery? To each his own, I guess!

[Edited 2007-10-17 09:06:34]


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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16387 times:

Ill just pray the DOT and DOJ arent stupid enough let this monopolistic merger go through if true. Stupid merger mania never dies i guess... its all about getting rid of competition at all costs and making the most money for the few individuals in management... gotta Love the airlines CEO's and thie greed.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16215 times:

Ill tell you who is gonan be incharge of a DL/NW merger.....NWA Unions

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16215 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 16):
its all about getting rid of competition at all costs and making the most money for the few individuals in management... gotta Love the airlines CEO's and thie greed.

That's exactly right..throw in Wall Street lawyers and investment bankers


User currently offlineYHZ From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16169 times:

This is about as old as the DC9 threads. These type of "stories" that have no facts on A.net posted by teenagers waste people's time.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16169 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 14):
the nicer fleet and the nicer livery

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Yes, of course the two most important issues debated when merging two companies! I guess you must have a hot line to ATL and MSP giving them advise!


User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15984 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 16):
Ill just pray the DOT and DOJ arent stupid enough let this monopolistic merger go through if true. Stupid merger mania never dies i guess... its all about getting rid of competition at all costs and making the most money for the few individuals in management... gotta Love the airlines CEO's and thie greed.

It's called capitalsim. It happens in every other industry, not just with the airlines. The mergers need to happen to keep the healthy balance going forward and eleminate the so called dead wood.



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User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15931 times:

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
I can't give details or links about this for fear of violating my contract

If you really know any details, your problem is not contractual but disclosure of insider information in violation of SEC rules.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15668 times:

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 21):
The mergers need to happen to keep the healthy balance going forward and eleminate the so called dead wood.

So far, every merger that has been actually proposed for 2007 has been withdrawn:

1. US, while still digesting its own HP/US merger, withdrew their plans to grab DL.

2. More recently, FL withdrew their plans to grab YX.

I've stated this before (and it seems apparently worth repeating); ANY merger that only involves legacy/network carriers, unless one of the carriers is close to liquidation, is going to be subject to heavy DOT and/or DOJ scrutiny. As it stands now, the so-called Big-Six carriers (AA, CO, DL, NW, UA and, yes, even US) have gotten too big to have any merger plan go unnoticed/unchallenged. This is NOT the 1980s folks, when there were more smaller carriers to grab/aquire.

[Edited 2007-10-17 09:49:13]


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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15623 times:

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 21):
The mergers need to happen to keep the healthy balance going forward and eleminate the so called dead wood.

Whats dead wood? any one who competes with you, thus driving costs down for the consumer? Mergers in other industries dont result in huge oligopolies most of the time, and they dont share the unique problems of the airline industry. Capitalisim unrestrained results in human misery beyond mention, and believe it or not the liveley hood of employees, who are just as human as the CEO's matter as well. Thats why the govenment prevents unrestrained capitalism, remember the era of trusts? 2 cent wages, horrible working conditions etc... under President Taft? Thats what happens when there's no limits on capitalism. Mergers dont NEED to happen, they happen many times because of greed with no attention paid to who might suffer. Unemployment that would most certainly result of any Major-Major merjer, would only hurt the economt further. the govenment exists to protect its citizens not CORPORATIONS. I realize this is more of a philosophical and idealogical disagreement though.


25 DALMD88 : First, NwAFlyer07, welcome to our community here. Second, don't put to much into any bagroom banter you have heard. On a subject like a merger, I woul
26 NwAflyer07 : AirTran, so you have a hard time believeing that someone my age, 18, who works for Northwest is able to get credible info? What if i told u the info i
27 Post contains links and images PHX Flyer : No kidding. Just look at the tail - even the widget is pointing northwest View Large View MediumPhoto © Jason Whitebird
28 EXAAUADL : Mergers never get rid of dead wood...now a DL/NW merger will be beneficial to FL and WN and B6. As the DL/NW merger fall on its a@@ due to vastly diff
29 Post contains links NwAflyer07 : Here's the article from the Star Tribune that set off all the discussions within Northwest. http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1489536.html
30 PSU.DTW.SCE : " target=_blank>http://www.startribune.com/535/story....html NwAflyer07, welcome to A.net. Unfortunetely there is a lot to learn about rumors and chat
31 Slider : Kinda how they were in NW bankruptcy court?
32 Post contains images Pilotboi : Wow - you've found the secret!
33 Post contains images Maiznblu_757 : Much better than that crap livery Delta has now.
34 777STL : Isn't this common sense though? *IF* DL and NW merge, DL will surely be in the driver's seat. Seems pretty obvious to me, I don't think this is very s
35 MasseyBrown : Exactly. My opinion: the debt incurred to support the LBO back in the 1990's hobbled NW ever since. Despite the stories, they fly those DC-9's becaus
36 Post contains links and images 1337Delta764 : View Large View MediumPhoto © John-4A7 Spotters Points northeast at this angle.
37 GeorgiaAME : DeltWest Orient? I think not. But at least it won't be unionized, yet another healthy push toward unions being relegated to the dustbin of history. St
38 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : The two fleets do not match, this merger would be awful for both airlines, i can't see delta wanting to merge with NWA for financial reasons. I am goi
39 Stitch : If it happens, I think it will happen along he lines BrianDromey hypothesized in Reply 3, and not a full-on merger, which is more what Tilton seems to
40 TOLtommy : Ding ding ding, we have a winner..... Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement? If not, you have nothing to talk about. If you did, you shouldn't even
41 Post contains links and images FlyDeltaJets87 : Just like the NW Compass on that side of the plane as well. View Large View MediumPhoto © Jens Breuer Well, I fly DL up to CVG this Friday and N
42 DeltaL1011man : not true look at UA with the PA deal? and CO and CM? and how many where pulled by the gov? hahahahaha....that was a good one ok here we go with the f
43 DL767captain : just remember that fleet commanality isnt the deciding factor in a merger, while CO and DL have almost the exact same fleet DL would not get asia fli
44 777STL : To be blunt, you're 18, what position could you possibly hold that would give you access to inside info? My guess is you're either a ramp agent and/o
45 DeltaL1011man : yes but if you read on he also said that he could know someone in upper management BTW welcome to a.net
46 Post contains images Nwarooster : You know nothing about any "merger", which is about what I know and I worked for NWA for 38years before retiring!! All I and you know is pure specula
47 Boeing7E7 : Look at it this way. It could be AirTran stitched in its place.
48 CitrusCritter : Would that be the AirTran that didn't go through bankruptcy and is financially solvent?
49 Jetdeltamsy : Yea. Uh huh. Right. Northwest unions have lost virtually all of their clout. Granted the pilots were able to get pay increases by refusing to fly ove
50 Boeing7E7 : Give it a year. A DL/NW merger, not that I agree with it, would be the end of secondary LCC carriers.
51 Post contains images PHLBOS : IIRC, neither merger proposal got that far along; although Sen. Lott did grill US' Parker during a meeting using the shotgun wedding remark w/regards
52 Jwb2 : I don't think Delta and North West will merge in the near future delta are intent on operating under their own name and management. Maybe NWA and UA??
53 Post contains links Keesje : Delta posted such incredible high losses for many years that I´m still puzzled they somehow still exist. http://www.google.nl/search?source=i...nl&rl
54 DeltaL1011man : i agree (and BTW the GA and MN thing is pretty funny lmao) why do u think that would work?(i bet its because of the fleets right?) well that less of
55 USAirALB : if northwest was to merge, I think it should be US. But there is no sense doing it now. see, both have 757, both a320, both a330, both a319 get the pi
56 Boeing7E7 : Because most of that loss is aircaft depreciation. Delta is in a vastly superior financial position to NWA.
57 Keesje : They lost about $17 (?) billion in the last 6 years and have to start replacing more then 200 oldish 757/767 +130 MD80/90s, what´s the magic?
58 WorldTraveler : You fail to note that items 1 and 2 involved hostile takeover attempts. You might rephrase your post to say that there has never been a successful ho
59 DeltaL1011man : WRONG........DL will not start replacing ANYTHING soon.......gosh u guys need to give the "if its not 2 years or younger it needs to be replaced" stu
60 Evan767 : If Delta really is serious about international expansion, this is the right move for them.
61 777STL : You don't seem to realize how exagerrated the importance of common fleets is. Fleet commonality is secondary to number of important factors in determ
62 JetsGo : Age 16-20? Joined A.net 3 days ago? 25 Posts? Fear of violating contract? Located in MCO? Bullshit thread. Suggest entire deletion.
63 777STL : Riiiight. And someone in upper management is willing to put their ass on the line and possibly lose their job because they told some 18 year old ramp
64 Alitalia744 : A merger is speculation at this point. Nothing more, nothing less. Until something is announced. While we are passionate about all of our respective f
65 MasseyBrown : Vastly? Considering their relative sizes, the balance sheets are nearly equal; and while neither balance sheet is a picture of health, you could make
66 LY204 : There is no prospect of a DL/CO deal...I know they are both heavily concentrated in the NY metro area but they have similar fleets and a lot of comple
67 NwAflyer07 : Very well put. I appreciate someone who takes the time to camly correct me and put me in my place, unlike the fools who try and flame people who just
68 Super80 : NwAflyer07, there is nothing wrong to be an 18 yrs old and bring up some good discussions. No one knows how much you know and how much you will chang
69 1MillionFlyer : I have been a victim of that myself, Anet really has a problem with that. DL taking over NW would be another pilot nightmare like US and HP, don't yo
70 Drewwright : The airline business is for adults. Wealthy stock holding, viagra taking, republicans driving SUVs with wives with fake titties. Young people are not
71 Rampart : And there you go. Many of you have been suggesting that DL adopt some retro liveries to reflect their acquisition and merger history, and this one si
72 Centrair : What about this. DL buys NW, but keeps them separate. The parent company is completely separate but sees DL, NW and all the subsidiaries as assets. Ba
73 TCFC424 : As front line airline employees, we hear a lot of stuff. Currently flying around the AUS UA breakroom are two "rumors"...one being CO/UA (which we wou
74 NwAflyer07 : If the rumors end up being true, that is exactly what im hoping for. Completly merging Northwest and Delta would be an absolute mess in terms of comb
75 Post contains images Nitrohelper : Hey , no need to drag me into this, and besides her big young tits are real ! There is also a new subject that hasn't been discussed in all the DL/NW
76 Nwaesc : They do not...The IAM was trying to organize them, but I don't think anything came of it...
77 DeltaL1011man : only DALPA and the flight dispatchers at DL are union everyone else isn't(but is seems like the AFA is trying every year now) i was just putting that
78 NYC777 : What would also make NWA attractive to DL is the 68 firm and options 787s that NWA has. Boeing would get those in a merger at a great price (as NWA pr
79 Atnight : So DL couldn't get 787s early? the word is that Boeing has saved early slots for AA and DL, so the only bonus would be to get them first in the US, b
80 SNCntry32 : ... Call me blind, but I dont see this happening. Not even a soft merge.
81 SkyexRamper : I don't see the DOJ approving such a large merger.
82 DeltaL1011man : why? i wouldn't hope for the gov. to stop anything as long as it isnt a AA/TW or DL/CO( aka buying someone just to just for the hell of it) type deal
83 Post contains images AirframeAS : Then WHY on earth would you post something like this without sources if you fear you would be violating your contract?? You should be FIRED for that,
84 SNCntry32 : Why would they? Dosent NW have thier hands in CO somehow and they will own about 45% in MidWest wtih TPG? That would be one to many airlines DL would
85 Lono : Interesting... when DL absorbed Western... our union contracts went by by... "surviving carrier work rules will provail" ... so I don't think the merg
86 Gigneil : God, think of the rush of 737s on the market. Continental would be orgasmic. NS
87 DeltaL1011man : take NWs route map then put it on top of Deltas then u will see why they will be good together more like the A32Xs on the market and US and UA would
88 Gigneil : Just reading your sentence makes my head hurt, and probably anyone else with any sense here. You don't replace the fleet of 200 aircraft. You replace
89 Surfdog75 : You don't replace any. You run the 320's and 73's side by side. Although I hope this merger will not happen (and don't think it will) it would be a h
90 Gigneil : I think you're probably right. The first thing to start going to market will be the Douglas fleet in general... NS
91 Gigneil : I think you're probably right. The first thing to start going to market will be the Douglas fleet in general... NS
92 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...given the large amounts of A32X NW has and given they are the largest operators of A330's in the world (even if DL is one of the largest B767 oper
93 Post contains images Pilotboi : I agree, NW has a great livery. Shame it's on all those 'buses tho.
94 Falcon84 : You're between 16-20, and you have a CONTRACT with an airline? Gee, tell us how you REALLY feel.... I've been in the industry 20 years, my young frie
95 Milesrich : If an NW/DL merger occurs, the only thing that will go bye bye in a hurry is Comair, or Pinnacle. One of the large economy of scales will be the abili
96 DeltaL1011man : why would you kill the great relationship with Boeing? DL gets great deals, and great slots (note new T7s coming in 08 and the line is pretty much so
97 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .....don't forget however you will be seeing 787's in NW colours too...
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