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Air India Eyes Big Aircraft Order By Mid-2008  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

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Air India's board is to consider proposals for the purchase of dozens of new aircraft in the coming weeks and expects firm orders to be placed around the middle of 2008. It is meanwhile hoping to be accepted as a member of the Star Alliance by the end of this year.




http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ig-aircraft-order-by-mid-2008.html


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5288 times:

I wonder what this is for - there has been rumours of an A380 order but it won't be dozens of them - some 787/A350s as well I think

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5272 times:
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I would not be surprised to see an A380 order. They already have 787s and 777s on order, so I suppose they could take more of both. Their 777s have been sitting at PAE for months, so I am guessing they might not see an immediate need for an A350-sized plane.

User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5246 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Their 777s have been sitting at PAE for months

3 772LR's are already in service!!! The 4th will be delivered soon??? Do you think there are more sitting at PAE???

I know they have 8 on order.

VT-ALJ is soon to be delivered, the 1st 77W for AI, 14 more will follow in the next few years.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5235 times:
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Quoting Mk777 (Reply 3):
3 772LR's are already in service!!! The 4th will be delivered soon??? Do you think there are more sitting at PAE???

I drive by PAE at least twice a day, and two of those 77Ls and three of those 77Ws sat there for three or more months once completed, even after they had to be re-painted and have new interiors fitted after the merger with Indian Airlines. They're even worse then EK, who often let their new 777s sit around for weeks before they come get them. Big grin


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 3):
VT-ALJ is soon to be delivered, the 1st 77W for AI,

Already been delivered and will do revenue service on DEL-ATQ-LHR-JFK flights

Karan


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Their 777s have been sitting at PAE for months

Past tense....'were' sitting..... smile 


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4790 times:
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Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 6):
Past tense....'were' sitting.....  Smile

There were still a few 77W's out there this morning. I think they finally took their latest 77L.  Smile


User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

Any chance we'll see the 748I? Somehow I feel the A380 being too big for AI.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
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Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 8):
Any chance we'll see the 748I? Somehow I feel the A380 being too big for AI.

I think the A380 offers much better long-term value to AI - and, frankly, any other airline serious about operating a VLA for decades.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4785 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

AI might order 10 A 380s + 8 options

As the largest passenger aircraft, Airbus A380, landed at the Changi International Airport today, its manufacturer Airbus was confident of getting more orders for the aircraft from airlines in India.

According to Airbus, India�s national carrier, Air India, is considering buying ten Airbus A380s and another eight to ten as options. So far, Kingfisher Airlines has been the only Indian customer for Airbus A380, placing orders for five such aircraft.

John Leahy, chief operating officer (customers), Airbus, says, �We are currently in discussions with Air India and in the process of conducting route tests for the airline. We expect the orders to finalise in about six months.�

The aircraft manufacturer puts the list price of an Airbus A380 at $319 million a piece, placing the whole deal just under $3.2 billion at current prices.

The first Airbus A380 made its way to Singapore�s Changi Airport today after an 18-month delay. But despite the delay, the Toulouse-based manufacturer is very confident that the aircraft will find buyers in the coming few months.

�Global air traffic is expected to triple in the next 20 years. With a major portion of that growth coming from India, it makes sense for national carriers such as Air India to purchase such long-haul aircraft. If Kingfisher and Air India get it, I don�t see why Jet Airways wouldn�t want one,� says Leahy.

Air India�s current fleet consists of a large number of Boeing aircraft, including the ageing Boeing 747-200s and 747-400s that the A380 might replace.

On being asked whether the predominantly Boeing fleet would act as a hindrance for the order, he said, �If the airline wants to be competitive and wishes to move into the twenty-first century, it must move with us.�

Leahy also feels that Air India could fly the aircraft to high-growth hubs such as London and New York.

According to Boeing�s Dinesh Keskar, senior vice-president (sales) and president (aircraft trading), passenger volumes on the India-US sector alone are expected to double in the next two years.

Air India and Air India Express have placed orders for 68 short-, medium- and long-haul aircraft with Boeing in 2005, valued at over $11 billion.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

I guess they will order A330s , as CEO of AI declared he is interested in this plane.
The second A330 ex Novair is supposed to leave Orly today , bound for India.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 8):
Any chance we'll see the 748I? Somehow I feel the A380 being too big for AI.

I hope we will see both  Smile The Indian market is growing and AI has enough routes to fill VLAs (India-UK, India-USA, India-Australia, India-Dubai).
Any ideas what "dozends" of aircraft AI will buy or is evaluating ? A380 and 747-8I are definitely an option. A330s seems likely for domestic routes and routes within Asia. How about 787-3s and A350s, too ?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4000 times:
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Quoting Columba (Reply 12):
Any ideas what "dozens" of aircraft AI will buy or is evaluating

I expect the A380 will be chosen to replace the 747-400 fleet, and additional 77Ws to replace the 747-200 fleet. I also expect them to likely add some more 787-8s and -9s to the mix to launch new services. The least likely would be 787-3s for domestic use.


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
I think they finally took their latest 77L.

Do you know if its VT-ALD??? #4 77L for AI??? Any pics???



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3904 times:
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Quoting Mk777 (Reply 14):
Do you know if its VT-ALD?

Yes.

VT-ALK and VT-ALJ (both 77Ws) are still at PAE.


User currently offlineFWI747 From France, joined Jul 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
The second A330 ex Novair is supposed to leave Orly today , bound for India.

Just took off this morning 9 AM ( it looked very nice in AI's livery from my office window) !


 Smile


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
and additional 77Ws to replace the 747-200 fleet.

The article wrongly states that AI still operates 742s,

it operates 6 owned and 1 leased 744
1 74M leased
2 743s owned

the 15 77Ws should take care of these plus leave room for expansion

Also i expect to see conversions from 788 to 789s or 10s

Karan


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3763 times:
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Thanks for the update, Karan69. And I agree with your opinions.

I expect AI to stick with Boeing for their twins, and select the A380 for their quad.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

AI & the A380 would work only after the Airports are upgraded to handle the Aircraft both Commercial & Maintenance wise.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3401 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
AI & the A380 would work only after the Airports are upgraded to handle the Aircraft both Commercial & Maintenance wise.

Well it is very likely EK is going to send their "high-density" A380s to India (and Pakistan) because of the "guest worker" trade, so I expect even if Indian airports are not optimized for A380 operations, as long as they can accept it, that will be enough for AI as it seems to be for IT.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
so I expect even if Indian airports are not optimized for A380 operations, as long as they can accept it

Thats exactly the problem.Infrastructure needs to keep pace.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
Thats exactly the problem.Infrastructure needs to keep pace.

Well if EK, LH, IT, AI and BA all want to send A380s to India, then it stands to reason the Indian government well be compelled to update the infrastructure to accommodate them...


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
Thats exactly the problem.Infrastructure needs to keep pace



Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
Well if EK, LH, IT, AI and BA all want to send A380s to India, then it stands to reason the Indian government well be compelled to update the infrastructure to accommodate them...

There will be a new terminal in 2010 atleast at DEL, which will be capable to handle the A380, HYD and BLR will have a new terminal in 2008, i am sure it is A380 friendly. I am not sure when BOM will get its new terminal!!!



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